Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 17 Apr 2008
21:51:45 +0200:
> I don't know very much about KDE stuff, since I got rid of it for a long
> time, but IMHO it seems there's an principle problem on the install
> layout - 3.x and 4.x should be compl
"Santiago M. Mola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:51:32 +0200:
> If that's possible, we shouldn't support it anyway. If someone wants to
> use /var/tmp/port\/age we'll just stab him, if someone releases a
> tarball with such filenames we'll s
Rémi Cardona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:49:23 +0200:
> Duncan a écrit :
>> Whatever your faults, you /do/
>> tend to be quite accurate on such things.
>
> Wow, you've managed to turn a nice technical discussion (which is rare
> enough in
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 09:40:22PM +0200, Santiago M. Mola wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Samuli Suominen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:43:59 +0200
> > Vlastimil Babka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti:
> >
> > > Okay. So we can just agree it's better if the maintainer
Enrico Weigelt wrote:
* Bernd Steinhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
Hi,
e) A package needs a newer version of another package, but doesn't depend
on it.
This was the case with KDE4. kdelibs-4.0.x block these packages:
!
I don't know very much about KDE stuff, since I got rid of it fo
Enrico Weigelt wrote:
* Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
Hi,
Hi Enrico, long time no see!
b) Marking that two related implementations are mutually incompatible at
runtime because they both provide the same binary.
Classical example: MTA's:
Traditionally they tend to provide an
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > Manuals, yes, documentation, not necessarily. Documentation is often
> > *built* from the source code, or it's source is included with the
> > package source code and d
* Ulrich Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> I don't know if it would be feasible from a package manager point of
> view, but couldn't some (most?) blockers be avoided if there was some
> means to transfer ownership of installed files from one package to
> another?
This is problematic, since t
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Tiziano Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> > I personally have no opinion about the -base and -server split, since
> > I do not know enough about it. But I am firmly against the -docs split
> > since the doc USE flag is for this use-cas
* Bernd Steinhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
Hi,
> e) A package needs a newer version of another package, but doesn't depend
> on it.
>
> This was the case with KDE4. kdelibs-4.0.x block these packages:
> ! ! !=kde-base/kdebase-3.5.8
> !=kde-base/kdebase-3.5.8-r1
> !=kde
* Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Manuals, yes, documentation, not necessarily. Documentation is often
> *built* from the source code, or it's source is included with the
> package source code and docs are generated at compile-time.
ACK. But we first should define what's "just do
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> I personally have no opinion about the -base and -server split, since
> I do not know enough about it. But I am firmly against the -docs split
> since the doc USE flag is for this use-case, and I see no reason why
> not to use it.
>
> Just stick a USE=doc on -base and be
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Samuli Suominen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:43:59 +0200
> Vlastimil Babka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti:
>
> > Okay. So we can just agree it's better if the maintainer tells his
> > reasons when opening the bug, to spare the later clarificati
* Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> A slight tweak that you may have already considered: a single package is
> split into multiple packages with a metabuild (named the same as the
> original single package) in a newer version -- for example, modularized
> X.
hmm, let's just thing
On Mittwoch, 16. April 2008, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> While the dump command can read clusters created by an older version it is
> still necessary to dump and reload your data on version bumps between major
> versions [...
Of course. I didn't question the dump and reload cycle. Just saying you have
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > I personally have no opinion about the -base and -server split, since
> > I do not know enough about it. But I am firmly against the -docs split
> > since the doc USE
* Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > Would be different if you'd said "we don't need to split since we
> > have useflags" or "we want to stay as near to upstream as possible"
> > instead of "we're not debian". Being different, just to be
> > different is really too pubertal for
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:04:36 -0700
Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 19:38 +0200, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:33:17 +0300
> > Samuli Suominen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "It works. Do it."
> >
> > Oh by the way. This isn't directed
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 19:38 +0200, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:33:17 +0300
> Samuli Suominen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "It works. Do it."
>
> Oh by the way. This isn't directed toward you personally, but I
> personally detest this "do it" attitude. You wouldn't say that
* Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
Hi,
> b) Marking that two related implementations are mutually incompatible at
> runtime because they both provide the same binary.
Classical example: MTA's:
Traditionally they tend to provide an /usr/sbin/sendmail executable.
So you can't have mul
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:33:17 +0300
Samuli Suominen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "It works. Do it."
Oh by the way. This isn't directed toward you personally, but I
personally detest this "do it" attitude. You wouldn't say that to my
face, would you? (Trust me, you would regret it.) :)
JeR
-
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:33:17 +0300
Samuli Suominen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:43:59 +0200
> Vlastimil Babka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti:
>
> > Okay. So we can just agree it's better if the maintainer tells his
> > reasons when opening the bug, to spare the later clarifica
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>
>
> > > It's bad, just because Debian does it ?!
> >
> > Yes, because their technical design is different from Gentoo's.
>
> Still too religious ;-P
Of course, that'
2.6.25 was released today, gentoo-sources-2.6.25 is now in portage.
As usual this will break some packages in the portage tree (ones that
include kernel code), the tracker for such issues is here:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218127
Jakub normally does a wonderful job of herding all
* Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > It's bad, just because Debian does it ?!
>
> Yes, because their technical design is different from Gentoo's.
Still too religious ;-P
Would be different if you'd said "we don't need to split since we
have useflags" or "we want to stay as near
* Tiziano Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> While the dump command can read clusters created by an older version it is
> still necessary to dump and reload your data on version bumps between major
> versions as written in
That's the point where MVCC is needed, at least for critical
applicati
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>
> > Tiziano Müller wrote:
> > >What do the new ebuilds offer:
> > >a) A split into dev-db/postgresql-{base,server,docs}.
> >
> > WRONG we aren't debian.
>
> It's bad, jus
* Tiziano Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > WRONG we aren't debian.
> This is why we decided not to split out headers, clients and contrib.
Actually, I'd like to see them all split out. But this sooner or
later requires the upstream (or an intermediate layer, like OSS-QM)
to support this -
* Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Tiziano Müller wrote:
> >What do the new ebuilds offer:
> >a) A split into dev-db/postgresql-{base,server,docs}.
>
> WRONG we aren't debian.
It's bad, just because Debian does it ?!
Sounds quite religions to me. I don't like religions interfering with
Wednesday, 16 of April 2008 11:07:20 Mateusz A. Mierzwiński wrote:
> Markus Rothe pisze:
> > "Mateusz A. Mierzwiński" wrote:
> >> Yes, You have right but I have thinking about something like OPTION for
> >> emerge or switch to enable that function. Emerge could provide two
> >> options of working -
* Tiziano Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
Hi,
> Since my blog doesn't get syndicated on planet.gentoo.org I'm posting the
> entry here again, but it's probably a good idea anyway:
Actually, I'd clearly prefer lists like this one for those discussions.
Blogs are okay for writing journal artic
Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:43:59 +0200
Vlastimil Babka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti:
> Okay. So we can just agree it's better if the maintainer tells his
> reasons when opening the bug, to spare the later clarifications?
"It works. Do it."
- drac
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On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 04:31:59AM +, Duncan wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 16 Apr 2008
> 18:24:05 +0100:
>
> > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:17:51 +0200
> > Frank Gruellich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I was not able to create a
Luca Barbato wrote:
> Tiziano Müller wrote:
>> What do the new ebuilds offer:
>> a) A split into dev-db/postgresql-{base,server,docs}.
>
> WRONG we aren't debian.
This is why we decided not to split out headers, clients and contrib.
>
>> Now, I know that
>> splitting up packages isn't the Gento
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> While you are almost certainly correct on POSIX/Unix filenames and the
> shell won't accept / in a filename, IIRC (from reading) it's often
> possible for C programs to code a literal / in a filename, and possible
> for some
Tiziano Müller wrote:
What do the new ebuilds offer:
a) A split into dev-db/postgresql-{base,server,docs}.
WRONG we aren't debian.
we have a nice use for documentation...
Now, I know that
splitting up packages isn't the Gentoo way. I know we could have done it
using USE flags but this approa
Samuli Suominen wrote:
Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:09:24 -0700
Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti:
On Wed, 2008-04-16 at 11:49 +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
thirty days is the norm for the minimal period between an ebuilds
last
It is the norm. It is not a requirement. In fact, it is
spe
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