Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Matthias Langer
On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 02:47 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:44:22 -0800 > "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Uh... So where do the original problems come from? Are you saying > > > that packages mysteriously start breaking on their own because > > > no-one's maint

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 02:47 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:44:22 -0800 > "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Uh... So where do the original problems come from? Are you saying > > > that packages mysteriously start breaking on their own because > > > no-one's mainta

[gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Ryan Hill
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Uh... So where do the original problems come from? Are you saying that packages mysteriously start breaking on their own because no-one's maintaining them? Of course they do Ah, right. Because of the magical elf that lives i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:44:22 -0800 "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Uh... So where do the original problems come from? Are you saying > > that packages mysteriously start breaking on their own because > > no-one's maintaining them? > > Of course they do Ah, right. Because of the magica

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Alec Warner
On 1/8/08, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:38:07 -0800 > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 02:17 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > Oh. Yeah. Because people with an attitude like yours think that the > > > correct way to fix a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:38:07 -0800 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 02:17 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Oh. Yeah. Because people with an attitude like yours think that the > > correct way to fix a repoman message is to start nuking arch > > keywords, ignoring

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 02:17 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Oh. Yeah. Because people with an attitude like yours think that the > correct way to fix a repoman message is to start nuking arch keywords, > ignoring what it does to the rest of the tree. ...for the architecture in question which is pro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:04:49 -0800 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have foo 1.0, which is mips. There is foo 2.0, which is stable > everywhere else. The foo 1.0 ebuild does not conform to current > ebuild standards. I want to commit changes to foo 2.0, and repoman > won't allow m

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-Noël Rivasseau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Wooo ! Mail subject screwing (yes i18n conspiracy is always just behind :D) A bit late but you know, work and stuff... Welcome ! -- Gilles Dartiguelongue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Houston we have a problem

2008-01-08 Thread Doug Klima
Alec Warner wrote: > On 1/8/08, William L. Thomson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> To keep it short and sweet. Our current structure is FUBARed. >> >> Foundation? Trustees? Election? Nominees? Ball dropped, shall we pick it >> up and resume a game? >> >> Gentoo does not exist legally. NPO fi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Item for 10 Jan 2008 Council meeting

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 19:59 +, Ferris McCormick wrote: > 3) Most devrel requests seem really to relate to CoC violations. Would > you like us to bounce those to the CoC people, process them using CoC > rules, or keep doing what we are doing now (generally, close them with a > note explaining

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Petteri Räty
Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti: On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 21:49 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: Stefan Hellermann kirjoitti: I've tried to not use the system-set and set up a virtual called virtual/minimal-system which depends on all the packages I need (no gcc or perl, only coreutils, glibc, baselayout an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Item for 10 Jan 2008 Council meeting

2008-01-08 Thread Wulf C. Krueger
On Tuesday, 08. January 2008 22:44:17 Chrissy Fullam wrote: > 'bodies' would be needed to enforce CoC on #gentoo-dev I don't really see any need for moderation on #gentoo-dev. We've managed quite nicely without big brothers watching us so far and I think we should simply keep doing that. Yes,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 21:49 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: > Stefan Hellermann kirjoitti: > > I've tried to not use the system-set and set up a virtual called > > virtual/minimal-system which depends on all the packages I need (no gcc > > or perl, only coreutils, glibc, baselayout and some packages t

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 00:30 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 00:42 Tue 08 Jan , Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > > Anyway, as having a complete dependency tree is almost impossible > > because of that, I have an alternative proposal: reducing the size of > > the system package set. Right n

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 23:35 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:09:24 +0100 > Matthias Langer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This kind of conversation is not technical at all... Ciaranm, are you > > a MIPS user? If so, do you think that running KEYWORDS="mips" is less > > likely

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 23:34 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Ok, so explain: > > * How perpetually open bugs are a maintenance burden. They don't > generate emails and they don't require any work on the maintainer's > part. Is the mere fact that they show up in queries all you're > concerned about,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 11:36 -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: > that has both sides happy here, but that won't happen if you don't admit > there's a problem. He doesn't have to admit anything. He is neither an ebuild maintainer nor an arch team developer. Basically, his opinion is useless in this case, a

RE: [gentoo-dev] Item for 10 Jan 2008 Council meeting

2008-01-08 Thread Chrissy Fullam
> Ferris McCormick wrote: > As always, I'd like a status report on Code of Conduct, with > three questions in mind: > > 1) Do we have an implementation schedule? It is already being enforced by a variety of teams as they find it applicable. > 2) Have we identified some warm bodies for it? Go

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 04:32 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:20:18 -0800 > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No offense to anyone, but holding back hundreds of developers and > > thousands of users for a handful of developers > > ...and how exactly are hundreds

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-08 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 07-01-2008 22:31:54 +0100, Luca Barbato wrote: > Here is a list of interesting questions: "Are we fine?" "What are we > going to do?" > > Please project leaders try to reply in short. Gentoo/Alt:Prefix > Are we fine? Sure. - reached >10% coverage/replication of the gentoo-x86 tree - convince

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Don't suppose you have a url for their reasoning? https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151758 -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/ -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 01:37:28PM +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten?? wrote: > "Santiago M. Mola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Having a complete > > deptree and having a small system package set should be independent > > goals, maybe your proposal should focus on making possible to have a > >

[gentoo-dev] Item for 10 Jan 2008 Council meeting

2008-01-08 Thread Ferris McCormick
As always, I'd like a status report on Code of Conduct, with three questions in mind: 1) Do we have an implementation schedule? ; 2) Have we identified some warm bodies for it?; 3) Most devrel requests seem really to relate to CoC violations. Would you like us to bounce those to the CoC peopl

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Petteri Räty
Stefan Hellermann kirjoitti: I've tried to not use the system-set and set up a virtual called virtual/minimal-system which depends on all the packages I need (no gcc or perl, only coreutils, glibc, baselayout and some packages that are really needed for booting up). This is what I think should

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Stefan Hellermann
Donnie Berkholz schrieb: On 00:42 Tue 08 Jan , Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: Anyway, as having a complete dependency tree is almost impossible because of that, I have an alternative proposal: reducing the size of the system package set. Right now system contains stuff like ncurses, readl

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-Noël Rivasseau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Jérémie Klein
As a gentoo user (developpers will do, i am sure), i wish you a good arrival ! 2008/1/8, Rémi Cardona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Pierre-Yves Rofes a écrit : > > On Tue, January 8, 2008 1:29 pm, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > >> So please give a warm welcome to Jean-Noël as a new Gentoo developer. > >> > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-No??l Rivasseau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Jean-Noël Rivasseau
Hi, Don't worry, I may very well return to Vancouver some day as I really love the place. Actually, I am thinking of returning there on Autumn 2008 for at least 6 monthes. I wonder if I can be part of two conspiracies at once?! Jean-Noël On 1/8/08, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-No??l Rivasseau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 01:29:43PM +0100, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > Jean-No??l currently lives in Paris, France, but he studied in > Vancouver, Canada for some time. Why'd you leave Vancouver? We need to get a Vancouver conspiracy going again, there hasn't been one since mr_bones_ ran away! (hey, 4 d

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-Noël Rivasseau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Rémi Cardona
Pierre-Yves Rofes a écrit : > On Tue, January 8, 2008 1:29 pm, Denis Dupeyron wrote: >> So please give a warm welcome to Jean-Noël as a new Gentoo developer. >> > > Yay for the french conspiracy growing yet again :) We'll have to have another conspiracy beer-meeting then ;) > Welcome to you Jean

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-Noël Rivas seau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Joe Peterson
Denis Dupeyron wrote: > Jean-Noël currently lives in Paris, France, but he studied in > Vancouver, Canada for some time. He is 26 and happily married. Apart > from computers, he has a passion for games (video, role-playing and > boardgames), music (progressive metal & rock), and outdoors > (especia

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-Noël Rivasseau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Pierre-Yves Rofes
On Tue, January 8, 2008 1:29 pm, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > It's my pleasure to introduce Jean-Noël Rivasseau (elvanor) as a new > Gentoo developer. He will start by working in the Java team, and I > hear there are plans for a new eclass soonish. > > Jean-Noël currently lives in Paris, France, but he

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
"Santiago M. Mola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Having a complete > deptree and having a small system package set should be independent > goals, maybe your proposal should focus on making possible to have a > deptree as complete as possible independently of what packages are on > system set. QA

[gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-Noël Rivasseau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Denis Dupeyron
It's my pleasure to introduce Jean-Noël Rivasseau (elvanor) as a new Gentoo developer. He will start by working in the Java team, and I hear there are plans for a new eclass soonish. Jean-Noël currently lives in Paris, France, but he studied in Vancouver, Canada for some time. He is 26 and happily

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Santiago M. Mola
On Jan 8, 2008 12:34 PM, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So my goals are: > - have a deptree as complete as possible; Your goals make sense but reducing the system package set seems like workaround to get you indirectly where you want. Having a complete deptree and havin

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What is your goal? Is there something you're trying to accomplish that's > impossible? It's clear that changing this would be a fair amount of > work, and I don't understand the benefits. With the current size of system packages set, having a comple

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 00:42 Tue 08 Jan , Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > Anyway, as having a complete dependency tree is almost impossible > because of that, I have an alternative proposal: reducing the size of > the system package set. Right now system contains stuff like ncurses, > readline, zlib, autoconf,