On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:54:09PM -0700, Daniel Ostrow wrote:
>
>
> > > I like this option better than sticking another file into the public
> > > tree that no user will ever need.
> >
> > Instead, modifying the eclass metadata and adding two new keys, that
> > users will never need is fine?
On Saturday 02 September 2006 00:01, Alec Warner wrote:
> and the tinderbox[1.5]
>
> [1.5] http://tinderbox.x86.dev.gentoo.org/default-linux/x86/app-cdr/
fixed
-mike
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> > I like this option better than sticking another file into the public
> > tree that no user will ever need.
>
> Instead, modifying the eclass metadata and adding two new keys, that
> users will never need is fine? :)
>
> This isn't really user data, tiz developer data; thus the user bit
>
Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 06:13:51PM -0700, Peter Gordon wrote:
>> Carsten Lohrke wrote:
>>> Imho we have to remove the partly and incompatible relicensed
>>> cdrtools-2.01.01
>>> alpha ebuilds from the tree.
>> I completely agree. In fact, Fedora Development also had to revert thi
On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 01:37:26AM +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote:
> Am Freitag, 1. September 2006 19:37 schrieb Brian Harring:
> > > >
> > > > old new
> > > > - --
> > > > foo.eclass new-foo.eclass
> > >
> > > We don't need a new file for that
Am Freitag, 1. September 2006 19:37 schrieb Brian Harring:
> > >
> > > old new
> > > - --
> > > foo.eclassnew-foo.eclass
> >
> > We don't need a new file for that IMHO. I'd propose to add
> > something like
> >
> > ECLASS_DEPRECATED=
Greg KH wrote:
>> I completely agree. In fact, Fedora Development also had to revert this
>> change
>> due to the same licensing issues a couple of weeks ago. (See the thread
>> spawned
>> from the 20060817 rawhide report [1].)
>
> No, they had to do this because they are distributing a built bi
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 06:13:51PM -0700, Peter Gordon wrote:
> Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> > Imho we have to remove the partly and incompatible relicensed
> > cdrtools-2.01.01
> > alpha ebuilds from the tree.
>
> I completely agree. In fact, Fedora Development also had to revert this change
> due t
Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> Imho we have to remove the partly and incompatible relicensed
> cdrtools-2.01.01
> alpha ebuilds from the tree.
I completely agree. In fact, Fedora Development also had to revert this change
due to the same licensing issues a couple of weeks ago. (See the thread spawned
f
Carsten Lohrke wrote [2006-08-31 15:16:31]:
> On Thursday 31 August 2006 16:58, Simon Stelling wrote:
>> About the udev, there's one package that doesn't share the effect:
>>
>> sys-apps/pcmciautils:udev - Install as an udev helper instead of a
>> hotplug helper
>>
>> Which is different from the ot
Chris White wrote:
> On Friday 01 September 2006 14:47, Jakub Moc wrote:
>> Yeah, that's the previous fork that's been package.masked recently
>> (homepage returns nifty internal server error now, we sure can expect a
>> rapid development there).
>
> Hey ruby's had their entire server down for 2
On Friday 01 September 2006 14:47, Jakub Moc wrote:
> Yeah, that's the previous fork that's been package.masked recently
> (homepage returns nifty internal server error now, we sure can expect a
> rapid development there).
Hey ruby's had their entire server down for 2 days! We sure can expect ra
Wernfried Haas wrote:
As far i am concerned, i find seperate sections quite good as it's a
clear solution as it's easy to see who is an official Gentoo monkey
who did all the quiz stuff etc. May be subject to personal taste though.
Some of the unofficial monkeys have also done the quiz stuff e
Chris White wrote:
> Heck, dvdrtools is GPL,
> you could use that. As long as we have an alternative to point users to,
> good. THAT'S what I'm trying to say.
Yeah, that's the previous fork that's been package.masked recently
(homepage returns nifty internal server error now, we sure can expec
On Friday 01 September 2006 13:43, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> if you werent implying "remove the package" when you said "not give a user
> the option", then what else could you possibly be talking about
> -mike
Working on an the presented alternative, debburn, like I've been saying in
pretty much al
On Friday 01 September 2006 16:28, Chris White wrote:
> On Friday 01 September 2006 13:20, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > set the LICENSE variable and/or add an ewarn to the ebuild ... pushing
> > your ideals by removing the package is wrong
> > -mike
>
> Ok, where the hell did I even say to remove it.
On Fri, 2006-01-09 at 16:20 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Friday 01 September 2006 15:18, Chris White wrote:
> > On Friday 01 September 2006 11:26, Greg KH wrote:
> > > No, we should just stop distributing the prebuild image in our release
> > > and live cds. We do not have to do anything with
On Friday 01 September 2006 13:20, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> set the LICENSE variable and/or add an ewarn to the ebuild ... pushing your
> ideals by removing the package is wrong
> -mike
Ok, where the hell did I even say to remove it. People that are saying that
just need to stop, wtf. I'd rather
On Friday 01 September 2006 15:18, Chris White wrote:
> On Friday 01 September 2006 11:26, Greg KH wrote:
> > No, we should just stop distributing the prebuild image in our release
> > and live cds. We do not have to do anything with the package in
> > portage, as it is the user who builds cdrtool
On Friday 01 September 2006 14:26, Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 02:44:59PM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> > As discussed here?, the author of cdrtools, J?rg Schilling, violates the
> > GPL in his application, by building GPL software with CDDL licensed
> > makefiles as well as linking m
Chris White wrote:
> On Friday 01 September 2006 12:46, Jakub Moc wrote:
>> WTH is debburn??? Geeez, make the folk respect GPL like everyone else, I
>> don't want any debburn. Besides, we don't distribute any binaries (if we
>> do on release media, we'll have to stop until JS regains a bit of menta
On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 17:08 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 05:51:07AM +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the
> > 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> > irc.freenode.net) !
> Is th
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 05:51:07AM +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the
> 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> irc.freenode.net) !
Is this the new council for which the voting should have just ended, or
th
On Friday 01 September 2006 12:46, Jakub Moc wrote:
> WTH is debburn??? Geeez, make the folk respect GPL like everyone else, I
> don't want any debburn. Besides, we don't distribute any binaries (if we
> do on release media, we'll have to stop until JS regains a bit of mental
> sanity).
What are t
Chris White wrote:
> We have an alternative stated [1]. I think we need to focus more on the
> problems of using the alternative, then dealing with what some consider to be
> a rather sketchy legal dispute.
>
> [1] http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/debburn
WTH is debburn??? Geeez, make the folk respe
On Friday 01 September 2006 11:26, Greg KH wrote:
> No, we should just stop distributing the prebuild image in our release
> and live cds. We do not have to do anything with the package in
> portage, as it is the user who builds cdrtools that does the violating
> (and only if they then redistribut
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 02:44:59PM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> As discussed here?, the author of cdrtools, J?rg Schilling, violates the GPL
> in his application, by building GPL software with CDDL licensed makefiles as
> well as linking mkisofs to libscg, which he relicensed to CDDL lately. De
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 06:57:22PM +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote:
> Am Freitag, 1. September 2006 17:05 schrieb Alec Warner:
> > Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Repoman needs to check for deprecated eclasses, see
> > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/141677
> > >
> > > As a result of the discussi
Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> The file listing the derecated overlays is fine. What about revdep-rebuild
> and
> emerge regarding installed stuff and overlays?
>
>
> Carsten
We are talking eclasses...not overlays...
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Am Freitag, 1. September 2006 17:05 schrieb Alec Warner:
> Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Repoman needs to check for deprecated eclasses, see
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/141677
> >
> > As a result of the discussion in the bug, we would like to add
> > $PORTDIR/qa-data/eclass.deprecated
> >
Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> What about revdep-rebuild and
> emerge regarding installed stuff and overlays?
what do you mean? Please elaborate
I have only repoman in mind for now.
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On Friday 01 September 2006 15:45, Luis Medinas wrote:
> I'm sure that situation will be fixed by the upstream (Jörg) since it
> violates GPL license. About the debian fork we will take a look at it
> and see where's going.
Read the Debian bug. Jörg Schilling is badmouthing Debian developers and t
On Friday 01 September 2006 16:42, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> Actually the GPL specifically states that build scripts are part of the
> source code explicitly.
And requires you to make it available, but it doesn't strictly require its
license terms to be the same. Maybe I'm confused a bit, but for wh
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Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Repoman needs to check for deprecated eclasses, see
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/141677
>
> As a result of the discussion in the bug, we would like to add
> $PORTDIR/qa-data/eclass.deprecated
> to allow to deprecate eclasses properly and make repoman fail.
>
> This
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 04:45:04PM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> I would like to second this. I particularly find the notification 7 days
> before setting the agenda troublesome. It basically means that decisions can
> only be made half a month after the discussion has finished on -dev.
As far
On Friday 01 September 2006 15:53, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>
> I have a proposal for an agenda item.
>
> I would like the council to decide on the removal of the requirement
> that everything must come as an agenda item so they can be allowed to
> make decisions in a timely manner, if necessary. O
On Friday 01 September 2006 16:31, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> On Friday 01 September 2006 15:36, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > The build scripts are part of the source code. And as such must be
> > licensed under the GPL.
>
> It's opinable, as you don't mix them with the actual code. I think it
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:31:51 +0200 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| On Friday 01 September 2006 15:36, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
| > The build scripts are part of the source code. And as such must be
| > licensed under the GPL.
|
| It's opinable, as you don't mix them with the ac
On Friday 01 September 2006 15:36, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> The build scripts are part of the source code. And as such must be licensed
> under the GPL.
It's opinable, as you don't mix them with the actual code. I think it's one of
the gray points.
Still it does not make any sense to ship the make
On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 15:24 +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> On Friday 01 September 2006 14:51, Lars Weiler wrote:
> > We have a lot of other applications in the tree, which is
> > not free.
>
> The problem is not that it's not free*, but that linking GPL and CDDL code
> violates the GPL. If the wh
On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 05:51 +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the
> 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> irc.freenode.net) !
>
> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even
> vote on,
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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò schrieb:
> On Friday 01 September 2006 02:00, Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer wrote:
>> As Schily is not the only one who has contributed code to mkisofs he
>> can't change its license all on his own.
> T
On Friday 01 September 2006 15:08, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> I'm the first to not like Schilling's ways, but...
>
> On Friday 01 September 2006 14:44, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> > building GPL software with CDDL licensed
> > makefiles
>
> Can't see how this is pertinent, I can build BSD licen
On Friday 01 September 2006 02:00, Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer wrote:
> As Schily is not the only one who has contributed code to mkisofs he
> can't change its license all on his own.
That's why I said I wasn't sure :) Still, if I remember correctly he gets the
copyright assignment for cdrtool
On Friday 01 September 2006 14:51, Lars Weiler wrote:
> We have a lot of other applications in the tree, which is
> not free.
The problem is not that it's not free*, but that linking GPL and CDDL code
violates the GPL. If the whole cdrtools code were CDDL, there were no
problem.
*The OSI consi
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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò schrieb:
>> as well as linking mkisofs to libscg, which he relicensed to CDDL
>> lately.
> This is a bit more debatable, he *can* link it, if he can change mkisofs
> license to allow linking to non-GPL-co
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Lars Weiler schrieb:
> * Carsten Lohrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06/09/01 14:44 +0200]:
>> Imho we have to remove the partly and incompatible relicensed
>> cdrtools-2.01.01 alpha ebuilds from the tree.
> I don't think so.
> We have a l
I'm the first to not like Schilling's ways, but...
On Friday 01 September 2006 14:44, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> building GPL software with CDDL licensed
> makefiles
Can't see how this is pertinent, I can build BSD licensed software with
autoconf that is GPL, and use GCC to compile..
> as well as
* Carsten Lohrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06/09/01 14:44 +0200]:
> Imho we have to remove the partly and incompatible relicensed
> cdrtools-2.01.01
> alpha ebuilds from the tree.
I don't think so.
We have a lot of other applications in the tree, which is
not free. The only problem I see is, that y
As discussed here¹, the author of cdrtools, Jörg Schilling, violates the GPL
in his application, by building GPL software with CDDL licensed makefiles as
well as linking mkisofs to libscg, which he relicensed to CDDL lately. Debian
seems to fork² cdrtools therefore.
Imho we have to remove the p
Hi,
Repoman needs to check for deprecated eclasses, see
http://bugs.gentoo.org/141677
As a result of the discussion in the bug, we would like to add
$PORTDIR/qa-data/eclass.deprecated
to allow to deprecate eclasses properly and make repoman fail.
This will allow us to avoid problems with new ebu
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