On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:48:01 -0400
Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To briefly go over requirements you need to be able to:
>
> Speak English;
Why? Surely read & write is enough.
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> > Today the solution would be to enable the kde, qt, qt3, qt4, gtk,
etc.
> > -useflag. But this solution is crappy, because of some ebuilds for
>
> These flags are crap at all. It already is crap that certain packages
> contain backend and frontends for several GUIs (more precisely: based
> on s
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:27:37PM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> The very strange corner case this
> doesn't work with is if people manually set VIDEO_CARDS="", then they
> will no longer get the behavior of pulling in everything. But the
> default case will still work great.
If people manually
> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:51:55 -0500 Lance Albertson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | There are more constructive ways of finding out the status of a
> | problem/solution.
>
> Actually, with that in mind I think the council could be of help here...
> The bugs slowdown *is* a serious problem, and Ja
> On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:20 +, Alec Warner wrote:
>> > No, not really. Just that I'd expect kinda more proactive approach
>> than
>> > the one demonstrated fex. in
>> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128588#c29 (and a bit more
>> > flexible approach to other alternatives, such as HW/h
> On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:48 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
>> Patrick Lauer wrote:
>>
>> > (Note to our sponsors: you rock. Keep on rocking.)
>> >
>> > Right now bugs is served from a 2,4Ghz P4 - that's roughly a normal
>> > desktop box from last year.
>>
>> You have no concept of where the bottle
For ebuilds that use USE_EXPAND to pull in other dependencies rather
than just internally building drivers (I suspect xorg is the only one),
I've been thinking of a way to make the whole setup cleaner.
agaffney suggested this in the first place, and every time I think about
it, it seems like a bet
Hi,
The User Relations project has a new sub-project, Adopt a Developer.
The project aims to connect developers who need resources (ie hardware,
technical books, shell accounts, etc) with people and companies from
the community who want to donate resources. The concept is explained in
detail on th
I'm looking to offload the some packages to willing maintainers as I've really
no interest in most of these. Most have no bugs outstanding. I mainly want to
focus my efforts in other areas.
Existing devs feel free to just reassign metadata.xml to themselves and
reassign a possible bug (or 2) ou
All you crazy folks that wanted to help clean the tree please e-mail me
off list.
To briefly go over requirements you need to be able to:
Speak English;
Read English;
Write English;
Use Bugzilla;
Use Portage;
Some of you need to be able to use CVS and SVN;
Some of you need gentoo-x86 commit acc
On Thursday 03 August 2006 15:42, Daniel Black wrote:
> I've added new versions of these libs to gentoo. They are currently in
> package.mask because I've missed a few bumps versions in between and there
> is an ABI change. Some old deprecated functions have been removed.
>
> So far these have been
kashani wrote:
> Chris Bainbridge wrote:
>> I'm curious what the problem is with bugzilla and it's db
>> interactions? You're suggesting a specific issue rather than general
>> db performance issues like fs, io scheduling, raid1, hyperthreads,
>> etc.?
>
> It's most likely related to Bugzilla
Chris Bainbridge wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 03/08/06, Lance Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You have no concept of where the bottle neck is. The webserver hosting
>> the cgi part isn't being loaded hardly at all. The database server is a
>> pretty beefy box, and again, its not so much a specific
Chris Bainbridge wrote:
I'm curious what the problem is with bugzilla and it's db
interactions? You're suggesting a specific issue rather than general
db performance issues like fs, io scheduling, raid1, hyperthreads,
etc.?
It's most likely related to Bugzilla using MyISAM tables by default
w
Alec Warner wrote:
> Enrico Weigelt wrote:
>> * Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>>
>>
>>
>>> How can it be too late? You sync during that 30 days it's masked, do an
>>> emerge --pretend --update world, and see that it's going to downgrade.
>> How do I see it (without actually having the vers
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:07:35 +0200
Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Opinions?
Current behaviour is sub-optimal in many regards, but the tree relies
upon it; amongst other examples, packages depending upon =autoconf-2.5*
expect to get 2.59. If someone wants to 'fix' all of those, and any
o
Hi,
On 03/08/06, Lance Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You have no concept of where the bottle neck is. The webserver hosting
the cgi part isn't being loaded hardly at all. The database server is a
pretty beefy box, and again, its not so much a specific hardware
limitation, just more a limi
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 12:00 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> So you can create projects by creating a directory in
> gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en, you don't have to announce it (but it's
> polite to do so), and it may well conflict with other projects, that's okay.
>
> You can't blame them for followin
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 16:05 +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> > 2. [...] Therefore I do not believe that QA for a tree that is as
> > extensive as Sunrise done by a few 'official' developers amounts to
> > much real world quality.
>
> I would expect that over time, the Sunrise developers will learn m
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:48 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
> Patrick Lauer wrote:
>
> > (Note to our sponsors: you rock. Keep on rocking.)
> >
> > Right now bugs is served from a 2,4Ghz P4 - that's roughly a normal
> > desktop box from last year.
>
> You have no concept of where the bottle neck
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:51:55 -0500 Lance Albertson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | There are more constructive ways of finding out the status of a
> | problem/solution.
>
> Actually, with that in mind I think the council could be of help here...
> The bugs slowdown *is* a
Patrick Lauer wrote:
> (Note to our sponsors: you rock. Keep on rocking.)
>
> Right now bugs is served from a 2,4Ghz P4 - that's roughly a normal
> desktop box from last year.
You have no concept of where the bottle neck is. The webserver hosting
the cgi part isn't being loaded hardly at all. T
Alec Warner wrote:
> I bet if I was infra I'd be wondering what my options were since:
>
> bugs is a pretty critical part of developing; AND
> you can't just host it anywhere; AND
> the hardware needed for it to perform is expensive; AND
> they did not know what the problem was at first
Yes, its
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:51:55 -0500 Lance Albertson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| There are more constructive ways of finding out the status of a
| problem/solution.
Actually, with that in mind I think the council could be of help here...
The bugs slowdown *is* a serious problem, and Jakub's failing
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:20 +, Alec Warner wrote:
> > No, not really. Just that I'd expect kinda more proactive approach than
> > the one demonstrated fex. in
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128588#c29 (and a bit more
> > flexible approach to other alternatives, such as HW/hosting of
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 19:03 +0200, Simon Stelling wrote:
> Jakub Moc wrote:
> > Broken bugzilla affects every ebuild dev, affects GDP, affects bug
> > wranglers, affects anyone else who's using it to track outstanding
> > project issues. How is this continuous borkage not a global issue that
> > co
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:59:01 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:07:35 +0200 Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> | "* means match any version of the package so long as the
> specified | base is matched"
> |
> | can be read both ways.
> |
> | Opinion
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 18:21 +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> The difference is that I argue, while you accuse me to play false. I consider
> this as ad hominem and together with all this "FUD" and "BS" calling, in
> contrary to my email, inflammatory.
... and that is inflammatory :-)
> > > I'd app
> No, not really. Just that I'd expect kinda more proactive approach than
> the one demonstrated fex. in
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128588#c29 (and a bit more
> flexible approach to other alternatives, such as HW/hosting offers we've
> received before) and that have been declined for
Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> * Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>
>
>
>> How can it be too late? You sync during that 30 days it's masked, do an
>> emerge --pretend --update world, and see that it's going to downgrade.
>
> How do I see it (without actually having the version numbers in mind?)
>
Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> For example: mplayer
> It has it's gui-less player and an gtk-based frontend in one package.
> We should split this into two packages: mplayer and gmplayer.
> The chances to get this done in the upstream *before* some major
> distro like gentoo does the split by its own are
Jakub Moc wrote:
Broken bugzilla affects every ebuild dev, affects GDP, affects bug
wranglers, affects anyone else who's using it to track outstanding
project issues. How is this continuous borkage not a global issue that
council should discuss?
What is there to discuss? Do you expect them to s
* Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> How can it be too late? You sync during that 30 days it's masked, do an
> emerge --pretend --update world, and see that it's going to downgrade.
How do I see it (without actually having the version numbers in mind?)
Why I need is simply an command line
Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 03 Aug 2006
18:03:26 +0200:
> * Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>
>
>
>> Just to add... 30 days is the usual package mask. As AW states,
>> the idea of the mask is so users will have time after masking
On Thursday 03 August 2006 04:56, Brian Harring wrote:
> *cough*. bit hypocritical for you to lecture me about viewing
> your statements as 'flaming', and in the same breath label
> my own as 'flaming' ;)
>
> Why am I pointing this out? My initial points were that of "why the
> double standard",
* Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> I would be shot if it was automated;
>
> i will soon have some nifty bash scripts to generate e-mails and the
> pmask file, but they aren't done yet.
The problem is: how to get the bugs assigned to certain package versions ?
I did not yet see any c
* Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> > * Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> >
> >
> >
> > is this list auto-generated or evrything done by hand ?
> >
>
> This mailing list? Yes. It's auto-generated by monkeys... that's why
> there's so many darn messa
* Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Just to add... 30 days is the usual package mask. As AW states,
> the idea of the mask is so users will have time after masking to
> save the masked ebuild to their overlay and/or file a bug saying
but then it may be too late.
I just did a test, move
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:07:35 +0200 Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| "* means match any version of the package so long as the specified
| base is matched"
|
| can be read both ways.
|
| Opinions?
Oooh! I have opinions!
If you're changing the dep behaviour, you might as well just do it
* John Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> On Wednesday 02 August 2006 16:12, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> > * Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > > I've masked net-im/aim, AOL's proprietary offering. It hasn't seen a
> > > release in years, it's binary-only, and it's far less capable than
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:58:32 +0200 Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| The point is as valid now as it was 3 years ago. We accept that
| developers leave and don't care.
I guess you've not been following Gentoo development as of late.
Current policy is that developers leaving is grounds to
Lance Albertson wrote:
> Anyways, if you would like, I can send you an update to the bug every
> week until it gets completed.
I'd just love to see this fixed and working, first of all... ;)
> My guess (sparing any huge hurdles), is
> that we can have the new bugs up by the end of this month. Th
Ned Ludd wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 16:07 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
>> Because it's been broken for ages? Because I've asked the same on the
>> bug I've referred to multiple times, as did quite a few other people,
>> and the thing is still dead ~3 hours a day? (So uhm, the argument that
>> infra
Jakub Moc wrote:
>>> I would also like to know why the council has to be involved since
>>> you've never sent an email to infra specifically asking the same thing
>>> first. Sure makes sense to me that you should ask the group involved
>>> with the work first instead of going to the top.
>
> Beca
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 16:07 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
> Ned Ludd wrote:
> > On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 08:06 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
> Would like the Council to discuss the current state of Gentoo Bugzilla
> [1] and anon CVS/SVN [2].
> >>> Please elaborate why you need the council to discu
Ned Ludd wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 08:06 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
Would like the Council to discuss the current state of Gentoo Bugzilla
[1] and anon CVS/SVN [2].
>>> Please elaborate why you need the council to discuss
>>> ongoing active bugs that are in progress.
Progress? E
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 08:06 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
> Ned Ludd wrote:
> > On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 11:21 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
> >> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> >>> This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the
> >>> 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-cou
Ned Ludd wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 11:21 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
>> Mike Frysinger wrote:
>>> This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the
>>> 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
>>> irc.freenode.net) !
>> Would like the Council to discuss
Marius Mauch wrote:
> Repost from gentoo-portage-dev[1]:
>
> Was just brought to my attention that the =* operator doesn't work as I
> thought, as for example =foo-1.2* matches foo-1.20 as well as foo-1.2.3.
> This wouldn't be a bug problem if it could be used as a general glob
> operator like with
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 11:21 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the
> > 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> > irc.freenode.net) !
>
> Would like the Council to discuss the current state
Hi,
following szenario: Somebody installs a kde desktop and because of it is
an 80 years old woman ;), she wants to have graphical frontends where
ever possible.
Today the solution would be to enable the kde, qt, qt3, qt4, gtk, etc.
-useflag. But this solution is crappy, because of some ebuilds f
On Thursday 03 August 2006 04:56, Brian Harring wrote:
> Besides... frankly it's kind of BS to push the vuln angle onto sunrise
> when gentoo can't even clean out years old vulnerable packages from
> gentoo-x86 (that doesn't absolve sunrise from having to watch it, nor
> a potshot at the understaf
On Friday 28 July 2006 23:02, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> - leave everything as is: it does work but I do not particularly like the
> nowebdav useflag tho it is better than having subversion broken.
A third option would be to wait for portage to support package level useflag
defaults.
Paul
--
P
On Friday 28 July 2006 15:40, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> right you are. Putting the default useflag into base/make.defaults has the
> same effect as a nowebdav useflag without being a no* useflag and confusing
> with other useflags that do not have the no* bit.
>
> If there are no objections and you
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:46:22AM +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
> On 2006.08.03 04:27, Lance Albertson wrote:
> [snip]
>
> >There's a good chance that a package in the regular tree will link
> >against a package from sunrise, the user will have no idea or forget
> >that they installed that app from s
On 2006.08.03 04:27, Lance Albertson wrote:
[snip]
There's a good chance that a package in the regular tree will link
against a package from sunrise, the user will have no idea or forget
that they installed that app from sunrise (and the dep exists), and a
bug arises.
[snip]
Anyways, I've bee
Mike Frysinger wrote:
> This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the
> 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> irc.freenode.net) !
Would like the Council to discuss the current state of Gentoo Bugzilla
[1] and anon CVS/SVN [2].
Thanks.
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Duncan wrote:
> If a user isn't syncing and updating at least once a month, well... the
> ebuilds and related files remain available from viewCVS, which is open to
> the public, so they can still be retrieved and stuck in an overlay, if
> necessary, an
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:49:31AM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> On Monday 31 July 2006 14:53, Bryan Ãstergaard wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 01:01:20PM +0200, Christian Andreetta wrote:
> > > Many users (and I'm both a dev *and* a user) just could do much for
> > > Gentoo, but when you're in
On Thursday 03 August 2006 07:07, Marius Mauch wrote:
> Opinions?
I actually tried to brought this in a few times, and mostly I was either
ignored or told to live with it I think.
But I agree with you in requiring a solution. As Harald said, changing the
behaviour "in the run" isn't a funny choi
media-libs/libwmf is without an active ebuild maintainer and has an open
security bug [1].
Anyone willing to take care of this package in the future, please update
metadata.xml and CC yourself on the bug.
[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139325
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Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen (Jaervos
On Monday 31 July 2006 10:21, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:10:45 +0200 Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> | Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> | > Good intentions and trying to be helpful don't keep users or
> | > developers. Screwups lose users and developers.
> |
> | It's re
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