On 4/4/06, Danny van Dyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is a personal pleasure to announce that Stefan Cornelius,
> one of the Operation Lead Developers of the Gentoo Security Project
> has passed all necessary quizzes to fiddle with the tree.
Congratulations!
Now, finally I can tell the securit
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 00:13 +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 22:35 +0100, Roy Marples wrote:
> > As more and more init scripts "stopping" can trigger other services to
> > restart, it becomes very desirable for this not to happen. So I propose for
> > the next baselayout relea
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 22:35 +0100, Roy Marples wrote:
> As more and more init scripts "stopping" can trigger other services to
> restart, it becomes very desirable for this not to happen. So I propose for
> the next baselayout release (1.12.0_pre17) to default start-stop-daemon calls
> to SIGINT
Danny van Dyk posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
below, on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:27:15 +0200:
> Stefan Cornelius, one of the Operation Lead Developers of the Gentoo
> Security Project has passed all necessary quizzes to fiddle with the
> tree.
Yikes, I don't usually like announcements that incl
Danny van Dyk wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> [Another late one. You know already, I'm a slacker]
>
> Please help me to welcome Benigno Batista Júnior aka bbj, the latest addition
> to the growing population of the Gentoo/ALT Project.
>
> bbj is located somewhere between Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Mina
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 00:28, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote:
> Where is the good-will? Have we stopped trusting each other? If we do
> not trust each other, sincerely, I don't know what we are doing in here.
The full trust part was dropped at the moment the 51st developer was added.
Seriously, with t
Hi List!
Let me tell you about a little scenario.
dhcpcd starts, calls resolvconf
resolvconf then updates it's files and runs it's plugins - libc (nscd),
dnsmasq and bind which restart via their init script if required.
Each service (nscd, dnsmasq and bind) can be stopped and started easily.
No
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 22:37 +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> [Another late one. You know already, I'm a slacker]
>
> Please help me to welcome Benigno Batista Júnior aka bbj, the latest addition
> to the growing population of the Gentoo/ALT Project.
>
> bbj is located somewhere between
Welcome!
brazilian_conspiracy++;
Ok, there may not be a lot of us out there, but it's a start!
Cheers,
Marcelo
On 4/4/06, Danny van Dyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> [Another late one. You know already, I'm a slacker]
>
> Please help me to welcome Benigno Batista Júnior aka bbj, the
Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> > This is what I'd like to see clarified. To me, only a decision of the
> > Council
> > may lead to such a "suspension", as it is the relevant _elected_ entity.
> > And
> > I hereby request to add a paragraph at least, stating
Welcome, oh newly baptised tree tweaker. May your wary steps leave
lasting footprints on our tree. And may your research progress
quicker than mine :-p
Just kidding, I hope you'll find fun in developing for Gentoo. And,
while a bit caution is advised, don't be _overly_ careful to not screw
anyt
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 18:37, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> My reponse was helpful. I guarantee you (unless that person is really
> dense) that they won't use this list to complain about stable keywording
> again. Furthermore, any currently subscribed list user who didn't know
> before will certai
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 12:53 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> > This is what I'd like to see clarified. To me, only a decision of the
> > Council
> > may lead to such a "suspension", as it is the relevant _elected_ entity.
> > And
> > I hereby request to add a paragraph at
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 19:04, m h wrote:
> I'm the OT. So I apologize to all devs whose precious time I have
> wasted. This post has probably now consumed about 10x as much time as
> it should've by now. I totally realize that it is probably super
> annoying to get requests for bumping to stab
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 17:12, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> I hate to break it to you, but there really is no such place for such
> queries. We generally consider it rude when users whine about stable
> keywording. Therefore, I don't feel bad about a short response.
short != rude
This was not a
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 04:28, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> Kari Hazzard wrote:
> > This is Gentoo. We have a reputation of good community support to
> > maintain here. You're not helping that reputation by being mean to people
> > who ask legitimate questions. The issue that the question may have b
Hi list,
[Another late one. You know already, I'm a slacker]
Please help me to welcome Benigno Batista Júnior aka bbj, the latest addition
to the growing population of the Gentoo/ALT Project.
bbj is located somewhere between Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Minas Gerais
(Related to Minas Tirith? ;
Hi list,
[Yik, another belated announcement. I'm a slacker :-)]
It is a personal pleasure to announce that Stefan Cornelius,
one of the Operation Lead Developers of the Gentoo Security Project
has passed all necessary quizzes to fiddle with the tree.
Beware!!!one!
Stefan, congratulations!
Dann
Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> This is what I'd like to see clarified. To me, only a decision of the Council
> may lead to such a "suspension", as it is the relevant _elected_ entity. And
> I hereby request to add a paragraph at least, stating exactly this.
>
I agree completely in that point.
Alos, r
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 21:53, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> This is absurd. The council shouldn't need to make every decision in
> Gentoo itself. It should be able to delegate power to any group it chooses.
Such a decision is not like /every/ decision and should happen only very
seldom, so I don't s
Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> This is what I'd like to see clarified. To me, only a decision of the Council
> may lead to such a "suspension", as it is the relevant _elected_ entity. And
> I hereby request to add a paragraph at least, stating exactly this.
This is absurd. The council shouldn't need to
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 01:44, Jon Portnoy wrote:
> Well, quite frankly devrel has never fallen down on the job quite so
> often & so hard before handling this particular incident. I don't think
> it's so unreasonable to have backup plans for preserving Gentoo when
> devrel cannot respond in a tim
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 06:52, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> sorry, those last two paragraphs are covered elsewhere between infra and
> evrel ... so the document should be considered without those last two
> paragraphs
> -mike
This is what I'd like to see clarified. To me, only a decision of the Counci
Solar points out that I'm relaying details from -core to -dev in this
post. My apologies for that, I'll try to be more careful. :-(
Aron
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Ned Ludd wrote: [Mon Apr 03 2006, 09:40:54PM EDT]
> Umm ok. I've decided that root is root no matter how you look at it
> and it's not worth getting into a vertical pissing contest over.
Having root doesn't equal having authority. One of the issues right
now is whether Infra has assumed authorit
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [Tue Apr 04 2006, 01:34:17AM EDT]
> When some people define common courtesy to be saying "You are a dick"
> and making spurious complaints to devrel at every given opportunity,
> I'd say that the mere existence of such a procedure only goes to
> encourage them to misbehave f
Vapier wrote: [Tue Apr 04 2006, 01:12:28AM EDT]
> the idea is that it's common sense and to need to vote on something
> like this seems asinine
It might seem that way, but something that is voted on and accepted
has credibility. Something that is simply posted as "common sense"
does not.
Aron
-
On 2006-04-04, m h <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > You say it should be obvious like it's fact. Not everything is obvious
> > > to everyone--Not everyone is a Steve or Stephanie. They may interpret
> > > conveyed information in different ways and the ambiguity does not help
> > > at all.
> > It sh
> If we had an official place where people could complain about ebuilds
> not being stabilized, then I have a feeling most developers would avoid
> it like the plague. Stuff like this is along the same lines as the
> "bump it!!!eleventy-one11!11" bugs which get filed the minute there is a
> new re
Stephen P. Becker wrote:
I fail to see how pointing out a post was offtopic is mean. Rather, it
will save that individual (and hopefully others) from making the same
mistake in the future.
Also, RTFM is absolutely the right answer more often than not.
Otherwise, what is the point of having TFM
Kari Hazzard wrote:
>
> On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:35 am, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
>> I hate to break it to you, but there really is no such place for such
>> queries. We generally consider it rude when users whine about stable
>> keywording. Therefore, I don't feel bad about a short response.
>
> I
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:35 am, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
I hate to break it to you, but there really is no such place for such
queries. We generally consider it rude when users whine about stable
keywording. Therefore, I don't feel bad about a short response.
If questions on a particular topic
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 10:37:39PM -0400 or thereabouts, Stephen P. Becker
wrote:
> which was titled "fscking behave" if I recall.
Kinda sad that we have to state the obvious, imo.
> from "infra will suspend unilaterally as they see fit, and there is
> nothing devrel can even do about it" to its
Vapier wrote: [Tue Apr 04 2006, 01:27:54AM EDT]
> On Monday 03 April 2006 19:35, Aron Griffis wrote:
> > I disagree with fast-tracking this to any official Gentoo
> > documentation.
>
> i never used the word "fast" ... where did it come from ?
Earlier you said:
Vapier wrote: [Mon Apr 03 20
Kari Hazzard wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 April 2006 2:28 am, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
>> I fail to see how pointing out a post was offtopic is mean. Rather, it
>> will save that individual (and hopefully others) from making the same
>> mistake in the future.
>
> Then refer the poster to the correct pl
Vapier wrote: [Tue Apr 04 2006, 12:12:28AM CDT]
> On Monday 03 April 2006 22:57, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> > Oh, one more probably useless comment: I would argue that the decision
> > to enforce an etiquette guide that devs never really got to vote on has
> > lead to a lot of grief in the past. Let'
060404 Caleb Tennis wrote:
> historically we were much more bleeding edge with our stable KDE versions,
> but if you've spent any significant time playing with 3.5.0 or 3.5.1,
> you would agree that they are terribly less stable than 3.4.3.
Not here ! I've used both (successively) every day
& can
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 04:37, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Although I agree with the overall spirit of the comment, I disagree that
> RTFM is never the right answer. It helps if somebody points out _which_
> fine manual to read, but ":help hardcopy" is a much better answer to
> "How do I print from w
060404 Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten? wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 April 2006 08:09, Philip Webb wrote:
>> KDE is now modular: is it possible to upgrade some modules,
>> but not others ? Kdelibs would need to be stable,
>> but must everything wait for stragglers ?
>> If I have Kdelibs 3.5.2 , can I still run
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 11:12, Chris Bainbridge wrote:
> Surely the question isn't whether the upgrade is perfect, but whether
> it's better than the current stable release?
Exactly.
> (I realise that isn't a perfect patch count...)
Exactly.
> I think at this point it does more harm than good
Caleb Tennis posted
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
below, on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:38:39 -0400:
> I think historically we were much more bleeding edge with our stable KDE
> versions than at the moment, but if you've spent any significant time
> playing with 3.5.0 or 3.5.1, I think you would agree t
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 05:33, Jan Kundrát wrote:
> lnxg33k wrote:
> > At the
> > end of the day though, respect is earned. It isn't doled out by policy.
>
> I can't agree with that. I for one beleive that I have to respect
> everyone. Even folks I don't like.
you can respect a dev because they e
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 04:48, foser wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 00:54 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > you lost your sense of humor please go find it,
> > END-OF-OFF-TOPIC-SUB-THREAD
>
> As usual your answer fails to deal with the real issues stated and zooms
> in on something largely irreleva
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 12:30:29PM +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote:
> Jon Portnoy wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 11:50:18AM +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote:
> >
> >>I feel really confused. Have you read the logs of the recent affair?
> >>Devrel *hadn't* requested anything, infra made an action on their own
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 05:42, Jan Kundrát wrote:
> Michael Cummings wrote:
> > Relax, spb, it's all good :)
>
> spb != geoman :)
BAH! People shouldn't be allowed to have overlapping initials or something
/me puts moritorium on other mcummings and MPC's.
spb - sorry 'bout that :)
pgpWtyJ
>> I think at this point it does more harm than good to be lagging behind
>> the
>> current upstream kde - last time I checked the kde bugzilla wouldn't
>> even
>> accept bug reports for the kde currently marked stable as it was too
>> old,
>> and if bugs can't be filed then it's clearly "unsuppor
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 11:12, Chris Bainbridge wrote:
> Surely the question isn't whether the upgrade is perfect, but whether
> it's better than the current stable release?
It is not.
> 'find /usr/portage/kde-base -name '*3.4.3*.patch' |wc -l' shows 15
> patches, 3.5.1 has 11 patches, and 3.5.2
Jon Portnoy wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 11:50:18AM +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote:
>
>>I feel really confused. Have you read the logs of the recent affair?
>>Devrel *hadn't* requested anything, infra made an action on their own
>>and *didn't* revert it even after being told by devrel that no action
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò posted
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below,
on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:42:56 +0200:
> On Tuesday 04 April 2006 08:09, Philip Webb wrote:
>> KDE is now modular: is it possible to upgrade some modules, but not
>> others ? Kdelibs would need to be stable, but must everything w
Jan Kundrát wrote:
> Alexandre Buisse wrote:
>> Sorry but I am.
>
> Opps, sorry, got confused by your name :), I thought you were someone
> else... it's too late here, apparently.
I am as well. Move out.
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Donnie Berkholz posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:16:07 -0700:
> Duncan wrote:
>> The Gentoo-desktop list is lower volume and generally where I ask
>> (developer level) questions about anything so related, KDE, GNOME,
>> burning CD/DVDs, sometimes sound issues, e
Chris Bainbridge posted
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
below, on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:12:21 +0100:
> I think at this point it does more harm than good to be lagging behind the
> current upstream kde - last time I checked the kde bugzilla wouldn't even
> accept bug reports for the kde currently mar
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 11:50:18AM +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote:
> I feel really confused. Have you read the logs of the recent affair?
> Devrel *hadn't* requested anything, infra made an action on their own
> and *didn't* revert it even after being told by devrel that no action
> was requested.
And t
Jon Portnoy wrote:
>>>Well, quite frankly devrel has never fallen down on the job quite so
>>>often & so hard before handling this particular incident. I don't think
>>>it's so unreasonable to have backup plans for preserving Gentoo when
>>>devrel cannot respond in a timely manner
>>
>>Come on,
Michael Cummings wrote:
> Relax, spb, it's all good :)
spb != geoman :)
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lnxg33k wrote:
> "The Gentoo community and its members treat one another with respect."
> News to me. I think the users do a good job helping each other.
> Developer and user relations lack some imo. Developer and Developer
> relations are worse.
Well, the intention is that we all are people and s
On Monday 03 April 2006 19:11, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> Whether it is meant to be flamebait or not is irrelevant. This list
> isn't for whining about (the lack of) stable keywords for any particular
> ebuild or set of ebuilds.
Probably missing part of the thread or something, but I think the OP
On 04/04/06, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> usable state-, KDE 3.5.1 was a bit better but stills some patches were
> needed, KDE 3.5.2 is in portage since less than a month, and already had a
> few patches with revbumps to few memleaks and crashes, a new kdelibs revbump
> is
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 01:51 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> so we're clear, this thread was not started "because of Ciaran". in other
> words, this is not just about Ciaran. i can think of other people who need
> to be told to stop being a dick.
So can I, after reading some of your reactions o
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 00:54 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> you lost your sense of humor please go find it, END-OF-OFF-TOPIC-SUB-THREAD
As usual your answer fails to deal with the real issues stated and zooms
in on something largely irrelevant to the discussion. How typical. If
someone lost anythin
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 01:27:54 -0400
Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i recognize i'm a bit of a dick and i'm trying to change.
I'll use this opportunity to add that your efforts are not going
unnoticed. Thanks.
Kind regards to all,
JeR
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On Tuesday 04 April 2006 08:09, Philip Webb wrote:
> KDE is now modular: is it possible to upgrade some modules, but not others
> ? Kdelibs would need to be stable, but must everything wait for stragglers
> ? If I have Kdelibs 3.5.2 , can I still run eg Konsole 3.5.1 ?
As modular as it can be, it h
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