[gentoo-dev] Re: Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread R Hill
Andrew Muraco wrote: > Mark Loeser wrote: >> Andrew Muraco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>> is a minimum. A full out doc with all the FAQ and important notes >>> about what needs to be recompiled (in my opinion) would be a much >>> more through upgrade path, ofcourse still include the einfo quick >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Lares Moreau
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 16:19 -0500, Mark Loeser wrote: > Georgi Georgiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > So make gcc-config produce warnings when changing the compiler. > > > > "Switching to gcc-MAJOR.MINOR may break your system. Upgrade > > instructions can be found at http://thedoc"; > > > > Trigg

Re: [gentoo-dev] glibc & binutils -aware hackers wanted for questions ;)

2005-11-30 Thread Spider (D.m.D. Lj.)
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 02:29 +0100, Spider (D.m.D. Lj.) wrote: > Hello, > I've been looking some at Michael Meeks -Bdirect patches, and the > possible performance boost they could give. > > The good parts here is that it seems to be far less intrusive for the > running system than prelink is, on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X porting: dependency changes

2005-11-30 Thread Lina Pezzella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 22, 2005, at 4:13 AM, Grobian wrote: On 21-11-2005 19:15:58 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote: | virtual/x11 isn't xorg for all profiles. Perhaps the relevant people (macos?) could get in touch with me, and we can figure out what needs to ha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Philip Webb
051130 Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 17:34 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: >> As one of the "masses", I am certainly disturbed at that implication. >> I don't remember any such need when I upgraded 2.9.5 -> 3.x (now 3.3.6). >> This is the kind of issue on which I trust the devs to do se

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Marien Zwart
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:53:25 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1.12.2005, 1:30:41, Marien Zwart wrote: > > > Not sure if everyone is aware of this, but most installed pythons link to > > libstdc++.so. This is not a problem if you run the above revdep-rebuild (it > > should catch it j

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Jakub Moc
1.12.2005, 1:30:41, Marien Zwart wrote: > Not sure if everyone is aware of this, but most installed pythons link to > libstdc++.so. This is not a problem if you run the above revdep-rebuild (it > should catch it just fine). It is a problem if you get rid of gcc 3.3 before > installing libstdc++-v

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Marien Zwart
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:50:02 -0500 Mark Loeser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > 1.12.2005, 0:29:48, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > revdep-rebuild --library=libstdc++.so.5 is all that's needed here to avoid > > things like Bug 64615. > > Yea, I updated my statement

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Mark Loeser
Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > 1.12.2005, 0:29:48, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > Technically, you don't need to rebuild world. You only need to rebuild > > stuff that uses C++ and links to libstdc++. > > revdep-rebuild --library=libstdc++.so.5 is all that's needed here to avoid > things like

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Jakub Moc
1.12.2005, 0:29:48, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 17:34 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: >> Ordinarily, I upgrade packages individually when it seems appropriate >> & never do 'emerge world' with or without '-e' or other flags; >> I do 'esync' every weekend & look at what is marked as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 17:34 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > As one of the "masses", I am certainly disturbed at that implication. > I don't remember any such need when I upgraded 2.9.5 -> 3.x (now 3.3.6). > This is the kind of issue on which I trust the devs to do sensible things, > but do we really ne

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Mark Loeser
Philip Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I would very much appreciate a doc somewhere > which explains the advantages of moving to 3.4 > & why a wholesale ground-up rebuild is necessary, if indeed it is. > As always, my thanks to those who do the volunteer work. C++ compat was broken between 3.3 an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 10:27:47PM +0100, Jakub Moc wrote: > > 30.11.2005, 22:19:27, Peter Ruskin wrote: > > But we should not yet be encouraged to switch to 3.4. I upgraded to > > i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4 a long time ago but my gcc profile is still > > firmly fixed at 3.3.5-20050130 because of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Grant Goodyear
Philip Webb wrote: [Wed Nov 30 2005, 04:34:56PM CST] > As one of the "masses", I am certainly disturbed at that implication. > I don't remember any such need when I upgraded 2.9.5 -> 3.x (now 3.3.6). http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/new-upgrade-to-gentoo-1.4.xml -g2boojum- -- Grant Goodyear Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:34:56 -0500 Philip Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | As one of the "masses", I am certainly disturbed at that implication. | I don't remember any such need when I upgraded 2.9.5 -> 3.x (now | 3.3.6). The 2.x -> 3.x upgrade was far worse. Maybe you're just repressing the memo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Philip Webb
051130 Andrew Muraco wrote: > I think the masses of users will not be happy when they realize > that 'emerge -e world && emerge -e world' ... Should that be 'emerge -e system && emerge -e world' ? > ... means that they will be compiling for the next day or 2 or 3 , As one of the "masses", I am

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo

2005-11-30 Thread lnxg33k
George Prowse wrote: > On 24/11/05, lnxg33k <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:49:18 +0100 Filip Bartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>wrote: >>>| I want have Gentoo in e-shop with Linux distributions. I find, that >>>| Gentoo is under GNU/GPL. Must I dist

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread solar
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 13:56 -0500, Mark Loeser wrote: > Mark Loeser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Only thing I see > > as lacking is we might want to get a doc together on how to properly upgrade > > your toolchain so we don't get an influx of bugs from users that have a > > system half compiled wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Simon Strandman
Peter Ruskin skrev: On Wednesday 30 November 2005 20:12, Mark Loeser wrote: gcc-3.4.* will not be selected as your system compiler after merging it. The old gcc profile is still valid, therefore it is kept. Users have to consciously go and change their profile to change their gcc, so nothi

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Jakub Moc
30.11.2005, 22:19:27, Peter Ruskin wrote: > On Wednesday 30 November 2005 20:12, Mark Loeser wrote: >> gcc-3.4.* will not be selected as your system compiler after >> merging it.  The old gcc profile is still valid, therefore it is >> kept.  Users have to consciously go and change their profile t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Mark Loeser
Georgi Georgiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > So make gcc-config produce warnings when changing the compiler. > > "Switching to gcc-MAJOR.MINOR may break your system. Upgrade > instructions can be found at http://thedoc"; > > Trigger the message only when switching minor versions. That's going to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Andrew Muraco
Georgi Georgiev wrote: maillog: 30/11/2005-15:16:35(-0500): Andrew Muraco types Mark Loeser wrote: Andrew Muraco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: is a minimum. A full out doc with all the FAQ and important notes about what needs to be recompiled (in my opinion) would be a much more

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 30/11/2005-15:16:35(-0500): Andrew Muraco types > Mark Loeser wrote: > > >Andrew Muraco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > > >>is a minimum. A full out doc with all the FAQ and important notes about > >>what needs to be recompiled (in my opinion) would be a much more through > >>upgrade

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Andrew Muraco
Mark Loeser wrote: Andrew Muraco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: is a minimum. A full out doc with all the FAQ and important notes about what needs to be recompiled (in my opinion) would be a much more through upgrade path, ofcourse still include the einfo quick instructions. But I think the mas

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Mark Loeser
Andrew Muraco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > is a minimum. A full out doc with all the FAQ and important notes about > what needs to be recompiled (in my opinion) would be a much more through > upgrade path, ofcourse still include the einfo quick instructions. But I > think the masses of users will

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Andrew Muraco
Wernfried Haas wrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 01:56:40PM -0500, Mark Loeser wrote: Seems people read this to mean that I was going to write a doc, which I have no intentions on doing. I don't think a whole doc is necessary, but instructions for a safe upgrade would be fine. A think a o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 01:56:40PM -0500, Mark Loeser wrote: > Seems people read this to mean that I was going to write a doc, which I have > no intentions on doing. I don't think a whole doc is necessary, but instructions for a safe upgrade would be fine. A think a one-liner like emerge -u gcc &&

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Petteri Räty
Mark Loeser wrote: > > So, let me know if marking it stable in the next day or two is completely > stupid and I should wait to announce this via the GWN or something, or if its > an alright move and people aren't going to stab me for marking it stable. > gentoo-announce at least. I wish emerge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Mark Loeser
Mark Loeser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Only thing I see > as lacking is we might want to get a doc together on how to properly upgrade > your toolchain so we don't get an influx of bugs from users that have a > system half compiled with 3.3 and the other half with 3.4 so they get linking > errors.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer's guides?

2005-11-30 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Monday 28 November 2005 21:01, Curtis Napier wrote: > A seperate tag like , as > someone mentioned earlier, would also be a huge help but would still > give you the homepage info as well. Seems like we are all ok for the tag in metadata then... should this require a GLEP or it's a simple chang

Re: [gentoo-dev] enewuser/enewgroup getting their own eclass

2005-11-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 19:24 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > I'm looking to minimize what is in a stage1 tarball, not increase it. I > > would much prefer that we instead had a proper dependency tree, than > > hacking around it. Applications that need to add users on Linux > > *should* DEPEND on

Re: [gentoo-dev] apache2 default for 2006.0

2005-11-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 09:22 -0500, Michael Cummings wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > Here's the deal. We have a new user that installs Gentoo. After > > installing Gentoo, he tries to "emerge nagios" and it dies on building > > apache over a bug that has been known for some time and still isn

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Graham Murray
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Again, would anyone know what will happen to ~x86 gcc?, Will it become > gcc40 or just use the stable x86 gcc for everyone? (except those who are > already playing with gcc40 at their own risk) Even if ~x86 does change to gcc40 then gcc is slotted so we can continue to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 09:16:40AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Again, would anyone know what will happen to ~x86 gcc?, Will it become > gcc40 or just use the stable x86 gcc for everyone? 4.0.2-r1 wont be going into ~arch, but 4.0.2-r2 most likely will i think we've done a good deal of polis

Re: [gentoo-dev] apache2 default for 2006.0

2005-11-30 Thread Michael Cummings
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Here's the deal. We have a new user that installs Gentoo. After > installing Gentoo, he tries to "emerge nagios" and it dies on building > apache over a bug that has been known for some time and still isn't > resolved. How exactly does that make us look? How exactly do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread tuxp3
> On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 23:41 -0500, Andrew Muraco wrote: >> Out of curiosity, if this goes into effect before 2006.0 is released, >> then ALL the stages for x86 and the livecd would be built with gcc34? If >> so then I think this may benefit alot of users, especially ones that do >> a stage1/2 jus

Re: [gentoo-dev] apache2 default for 2006.0

2005-11-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 12:53 +0100, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > On Wednesday 30 November 2005 01:11, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 23:19 +, Stuart Herbert wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 09:16 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > > > I'd like to add the apache2 U

Re: [gentoo-dev] Addition of DVB_CARDS to USE_EXPAND

2005-11-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 07:01 +0100, Matthias Schwarzott wrote: > On Monday 28 November 2005 22:37, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 21:53 +0100, Matthias Schwarzott wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > > If nobody objects I will add DVB_CARDS to USE_EXAPAND on next saturday > > > (2005/12/03)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 23:41 -0500, Andrew Muraco wrote: > Out of curiosity, if this goes into effect before 2006.0 is released, > then ALL the stages for x86 and the livecd would be built with gcc34? If > so then I think this may benefit alot of users, especially ones that do > a stage1/2 just s

Re: [gentoo-dev] apache2 default for 2006.0

2005-11-30 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Wednesday 30 November 2005 01:11, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 23:19 +, Stuart Herbert wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 09:16 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > > I'd like to add the apache2 USE flag to 2006.0's profile. This > > > would not resolve bug #95140