Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-28 Thread Mark Loeser
Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > that means when people upgrade to gcc-3.4, gcc-3.3 will remain on their > system until they remove it > > so if user fails to rebuild all their packages before unmerging gcc-3.3 > they will be screwed, but OH WELL Yea. Even after they remove it though,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-28 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:24:52PM -0500, Daniel Gryniewicz wrote: > On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 19:12 +0100, Bjarke Istrup Pedersen wrote: > > Does this mean that we can get rid of the libstd++ dependency of gcc, > > and move it to the binary packages that depends on gcc 3.3 . > > I know this has been d

Re: [gentoo-dev] glibc & binutils -aware hackers wanted for questions ;)

2005-11-28 Thread Bret Towe
On 11/28/05, Spider (D.m.D. Lj.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 17:56 -0800, Bret Towe wrote: > > > > > > > So, now I'm just asking for comments and/or discussion here.. would it > > > be worth the time spent on this? > > > http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2005-10/msg00436.htm

Re: [gentoo-dev] glibc & binutils -aware hackers wanted for questions ;)

2005-11-28 Thread Spider (D.m.D. Lj.)
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 17:56 -0800, Bret Towe wrote: > > > > So, now I'm just asking for comments and/or discussion here.. would it > > be worth the time spent on this? > > http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2005-10/msg00436.html > > looks interesting personally id like to see how it acts on kde a

Re: [gentoo-dev] glibc & binutils -aware hackers wanted for questions ;)

2005-11-28 Thread Bret Towe
On 11/28/05, Spider (D.m.D. Lj.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > I've been looking some at Michael Meeks -Bdirect patches, and the > possible performance boost they could give. > > The good parts here is that it seems to be far less intrusive for the > running system than prelink is, on the

[gentoo-dev] glibc & binutils -aware hackers wanted for questions ;)

2005-11-28 Thread Spider (D.m.D. Lj.)
Hello, I've been looking some at Michael Meeks -Bdirect patches, and the possible performance boost they could give. The good parts here is that it seems to be far less intrusive for the running system than prelink is, on the other hand, it does require a more intrusive surgery into the core sy

[gentoo-dev] Re: Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-28 Thread R Hill
Daniel Gryniewicz wrote: > On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 19:12 +0100, Bjarke Istrup Pedersen wrote: > >> Does this mean that we can get rid of the libstd++ dependency of gcc, >> and move it to the binary packages that depends on gcc 3.3 . >> I know this has been discussed before, but once it's stable I se

RE: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Alexandre Buisse (Nattfodd)

2005-11-28 Thread Michael Cummings
"Tom Martin"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: ... and he participated in the Google Summer of Code in writing a generational garbage collector, GMC, for the Perl 6 VM (http://www.parrotcode.org). > Sweet! Does this mean he can help us get parrot/pugs functional again in portage? :) (sorry for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-28 Thread Daniel Gryniewicz
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 19:12 +0100, Bjarke Istrup Pedersen wrote: > > Does this mean that we can get rid of the libstd++ dependency of gcc, > and move it to the binary packages that depends on gcc 3.3 . > I know this has been discussed before, but once it's stable I see no > reason to keep the dep

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer's guides?

2005-11-28 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Monday 28 of November 2005 21:01 Curtis Napier wrote: > I agree with this. I often don't feel like wading through 5 pages of bad > results on google to find an obscure packages homepage. I look in the > ebuild for this information all the time. A seperate tag like , as > someone mentioned earlie

Re: [gentoo-dev] Addition of DVB_CARDS to USE_EXPAND

2005-11-28 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 21:53 +0100, Matthias Schwarzott wrote: > Hi! > > If nobody objects I will add DVB_CARDS to USE_EXAPAND on next saturday > (2005/12/03). > > This will be used to decide which firmware-file to download and install > within > the to be created media-tv/linuxtv-dvb-firmware

[gentoo-dev] Addition of DVB_CARDS to USE_EXPAND

2005-11-28 Thread Matthias Schwarzott
Hi! If nobody objects I will add DVB_CARDS to USE_EXAPAND on next saturday (2005/12/03). This will be used to decide which firmware-file to download and install within the to be created media-tv/linuxtv-dvb-firmware ebuild. Zzam -- Matthias Schwarzott Gentoo Developer http://www.gentoo.org -

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer's guides?

2005-11-28 Thread Curtis Napier
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Monday 28 November 2005 16:47, Jan Kundrát wrote: What about setting the HOMEPAGE of alsa-something to point to our ALSA-guide? Because that's not the homepage? I go often on pgo to see the homepage of something, and it's usually to get *upstream* homepage

[gentoo-dev] New developer: Alexandre Buisse (Nattfodd)

2005-11-28 Thread Tom Martin
Hi list, Nattfodd's joining to help with the text-markup herd. His real name is Alexandre Buisse and he lives in Lyons, France, where he is studying for computer science in the Ècole Normale Superieure de Lyon. He's aiming to achieve either a Ph.D. in logic, although he's also considering model th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Misquoted in the GWN

2005-11-28 Thread Grobian
On 28-11-2005 18:54:14 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:46:57 +0100 Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 17:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:48:01 +0100 Henrik Brix Andersen > | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > | A

Re: [gentoo-dev] Misquoted in the GWN

2005-11-28 Thread Grant Goodyear
Patrick Lauer wrote: [Mon Nov 28 2005, 12:46:57PM CST] > > Also, why not bring back the "post to -core" requirement? Make it a > > rule that it can't be labelled as an official Gentoo publication unless > > it gets some review... Heh. Personally, I've never really been all that fond of the GWN be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Misquoted in the GWN

2005-11-28 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:46:57 +0100 Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why not bring back the "the GWN is a community thing and YOU can also > contribute!!!" mentality? Release early, release often? JeR -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Misquoted in the GWN

2005-11-28 Thread Stephen P. Becker
| I suggest that in the future, all developers who are directly quoted | in the GWN are contacted prior to posting the quotes. I realize that | this will put a bit more work load on the GWN authors, but it should | be as simple as sending a mail with the relevant section quoted for | the developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Misquoted in the GWN

2005-11-28 Thread Lance Albertson
Patrick Lauer wrote: >>Also, why not bring back the "post to -core" requirement? Make it a >>rule that it can't be labelled as an official Gentoo publication unless >>it gets some review... > > Why not bring back the "the GWN is a community thing and YOU can also > contribute!!!" mentality? > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Misquoted in the GWN

2005-11-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:46:57 +0100 Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 17:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:48:01 +0100 Henrik Brix Andersen | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > | A friend of mine just alerted me to the fact, that I am featured |

Re: [gentoo-dev] Misquoted in the GWN

2005-11-28 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 17:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:48:01 +0100 Henrik Brix Andersen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | A friend of mine just alerted me to the fact, that I am featured in > | this weeks Gentoo Weekly News. Odd, I thought, noone had asked me > | anything

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-28 Thread Bjarke Istrup Pedersen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Does this mean that we can get rid of the libstd++ dependency of gcc, and move it to the binary packages that depends on gcc 3.3 . I know this has been discussed before, but once it's stable I see no reason to keep the dependency in the gcc ebuild, whe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Misquoted in the GWN

2005-11-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:48:01 +0100 Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | A friend of mine just alerted me to the fact, that I am featured in | this weeks Gentoo Weekly News. Odd, I thought, noone had asked me | anything regarding the GWN... Not the first time this has happened... | I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer's guides?

2005-11-28 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Monday 28 November 2005 16:47, Jan Kundrát wrote: > What about setting the HOMEPAGE of alsa-something to point to our > ALSA-guide? Because that's not the homepage? I go often on pgo to see the homepage of something, and it's usually to get *upstream* homepage, not Gentoo's guides. It's mislead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removal of auto-use in portage-2.0.54

2005-11-28 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 17:48 +0100, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 05:12:45PM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: > > As I said earlier, we'd like to get rid of the nasty auto-use feature, > > including the support for the USE_ORDER variable. Right now we intend > > this for 2.0.54 (

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer's guides?

2005-11-28 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Monday 28 of November 2005 11:55 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > I like this idea, as it would also allow to specify user documentation that > can be found on GDP, allowing users to find out the link to alsa guide > directly from an alsa-* package's metadata. What about setting the HOMEPAGE

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-28 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:22:33AM -0500, Mark Loeser wrote: > Only thing I see > as lacking is we might want to get a doc together on how to properly upgrade > your toolchain so we don't get an influx of bugs from users that have a > system half compiled with 3.3 and the other half with 3.4 so the

[gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-28 Thread Mark Loeser
This is basically a heads-up email to everyone to say that we are probably going to be moving gcc-3.4.4-r1 to stable on x86 very soon. If any of the archs that have already done the move from having 3.3 stable to 3.4 could give us a heads up on what to expect, that would be great. Only thing I se

Re: [gentoo-dev] Misquoted in the GWN

2005-11-28 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 12:46:47PM +0100, George Shapovalov wrote: > On Monday, 28. November 2005 12.30, Simon Stelling wrote: > > Is there a good reason for sending this to -dev? > Because he wanted to let users know of corrections? At least the ones who > care. Exactly. Regards, Brix -- Henr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Misquoted in the GWN

2005-11-28 Thread George Shapovalov
On Monday, 28. November 2005 12.30, Simon Stelling wrote: > Is there a good reason for sending this to -dev? Because he wanted to let users know of corrections? At least the ones who care. As for the original issue, isn't this the policy and how it has always been in fact? Back in earlier days

Re: [gentoo-dev] Misquoted in the GWN

2005-11-28 Thread Simon Stelling
Is there a good reason for sending this to -dev? You basically complain about the way the GWN authors handled the issue, so why do you tell it all the devs? It seems a bit like a lame attempt to blame them in public for their faults. Other than that, I agree with you. -- Simon Stelling Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer's guides?

2005-11-28 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Monday 28 November 2005 12:20, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > Perhaps we should do both, as "title" attributes are not easy for machines > to understand, as they are freeform. The kind attribute would not be and > only allow certain values such as: "maintainer", "user", > "administration", "troubleshoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer's guides?

2005-11-28 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Monday 28 November 2005 11:55, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Monday 28 November 2005 11:39, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > In any way I like the idea to add a tag to the metadata.xml files. I > > would however want to do it differently. I'd like to propose a > > general tag with the usual at

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (defult or not?)

2005-11-28 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Sunday 27 November 2005 16:30, Dan Meltzer wrote: > Could this debug info be NFS shared? assuming like computers, or would > it be different on each computer. It is probably as shareable as normal library files are. Maybe there is more in common, but if the source was different, the end result

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-28 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Sunday 27 November 2005 22:01, Ivan Yosifov wrote: > > What is this debugedit thing for us non-devs ? IMO portage should have > some way to keep the sources around for debugging, for the patch you > are proposing to be fully useful. It allows some hacks on the debug info. For example the debug

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer's guides?

2005-11-28 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Monday 28 November 2005 11:39, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > In any way I like the idea to add a tag to the metadata.xml files. I would > however want to do it differently. I'd like to propose a general > tag with the usual attributes (version/deprange, language) and as new > attributes a "src" and a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (defult or not?)

2005-11-28 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Saturday 26 November 2005 18:50, Ned Ludd wrote: > Good afternoon, > > probably in portage-2.0.54 a patch will be added to emit split debug > info. Having a split debug allows us to retain all the advantages of > stripping executables while gaining the ability to properly debug > executables in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer's guides?

2005-11-28 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Sunday 27 November 2005 18:43, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Thursday 24 November 2005 12:31, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > > What I'm waiting for now are comments if someone has ideas where to > > put guides that does not belong directly to an existant project. And > > if someone w

[gentoo-dev] Misquoted in the GWN

2005-11-28 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
, all developers who are directly quoted in the GWN are contacted prior to posting the quotes. I realize that this will put a bit more work load on the GWN authors, but it should be as simple as sending a mail with the relevant section quoted for the developer to accept. Regards, Brix [1]: htt

[gentoo-dev] aging ebuilds with unstable keywords

2005-11-28 Thread Daniel Ahlberg
Hi, This is an automatically created email message. http://gentoo.tamperd.net/stable has just been updated with 14890 ebuilds. The page shows results from a number of tests that are run against the ebuilds. The tests are: * if a version has been masked for 30 days or more. * if an arch was in KE