> Perhaps a practical solution here is to strongly encourage mature
> projects to remain entirely outside the Apache infrastructure during
> this period. That allows them to continue functioning as a mature
> project, and not in any way be hindered by the move until such time as
> there is a recogn
Nicola Ken wrote:
> MHO is that we do not require that a project be "under" the Incubator
> urls and resources. This was said to ensure that they don't misuse the
> "regular" Apache brand, but if it remains "outside" of Apache during
> Incubation, the problem is equally solved.
Not for developmen
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:28:42 -0500
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> > I'm still completely unclear what objection Andy is raising.
> being completely serious, i think andy is not being entirely
> rational on the subject. he is/was violently opposed to geronimo,
Okay. This sentence really makes se
Rich Bowen wrote:
>
> I'm still completely unclear what objection Andy is raising.
being completely serious, i think andy is not being entirely
rational on the subject. he is/was violently opposed to geronimo,
apparently has a deep and abiding dislike of anything whatsoever
that he considers to
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:20:26 -0500 (EST)
Rich Bowen wrote:
> When a skilled worker goes to work for a new company, they go through a
> period of probation to ensure that they fit in the new company. This
> does not question their skills, it merely ensures that the person fits
> into the new compan
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> On Jan 13, 2004, at 7:33 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> > As I understand it, if we receive a signed CLA or Software Grant,
> > there is a
> > presumption that they had the right to provide it.
>
> Yes, because it would be fraud otherwise on the part
Rich Bowen wrote:
...
Perhaps a practical solution here is to strongly encourage mature
projects to remain entirely outside the Apache infrastructure during
this period. That allows them to continue functioning as a mature
project, and not in any way be hindered by the move until such time as
there
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> >* Hurts already healthy communities by putting them back into an alphaish
> >state.
> ...
> > If I had a mature project ready for production which had been so for
> > a number of years and then I said "I want to be part of Apache" You'd
> > pu
On Jan 13, 2004, at 7:33 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
All legal matters are for the Board and the Foundation's attorneys to
address.
Regarding audits ...
There is a presumption of innocence in our legal system. I do not
believe
that due diligence requires an a priori pres
Trying to get constructive on this, by basing the replies on *facts*,
and not opinions taken from an experience done long ago.
First of all, let me remove the false statements:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
The project must vote (or at least should). The Incubator PMC must
vote. The accepting project
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
All legal matters are for the Board and the Foundation's attorneys to
address.
Regarding audits ...
There is a presumption of innocence in our legal system. I do not believe
that due diligence requires an a priori presumption of fraud, and a
investigation to "prove" its
> From: Rich Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:24:49 -0500 (EST)
> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Undermining the In
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> >> So, like I said, I clearly missed what you suggested as fixes to the
> >> problems that you perceive. While I'm sure that this discussion belongs
> >> on the incubator list, rather than here, I have a strong suspicion that
> >> you're going to resp
>> So, like I said, I clearly missed what you suggested as fixes to the
>> problems that you perceive. While I'm sure that this discussion belongs
>> on the incubator list, rather than here, I have a strong suspicion that
>> you're going to respond with a note to the effect that you've already
>> b
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