On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
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> On Jul 28, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>
>>> I think we need to consider the risk to Apache of leaving the svn repo in
>>> a r/o state.
>>>
>>> According to the XAP stat
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>
>> This thread really needs to be put to a conclusion as policy and
>> procedure. On the table we have:
>>
>> Suspension would include:
>>
>> -- disable the mailing lists (no need to moderate)
>> -- disable com
Craig L Russell wrote:
>
> On Jul 28, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>
>> That doesn't seem right either. I think members should still be able
>> to access it read-only.
>
> Fair enough. I just don't think it should be readable by the public.
But members? Why not just authenticated commi
On Jul 28, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
On Jul 28, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
I think we need to consider the risk to Apache of leaving the svn
repo in a r/o state.
According to the XAP status page, http://incubator.apache.org/projects/xap.html
the copyright and di
On Jul 28, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
I think we need to consider the risk to Apache of leaving the svn
repo in a r/o state.
According to the XAP status page, http://incubator.apache.org/projects/xap.html
the copyright and distribution rights have not been verified, so
IMHO
I think we need to consider the risk to Apache of leaving the svn repo
in a r/o state.
According to the XAP status page, http://incubator.apache.org/projects/xap.html
the copyright and distribution rights have not been verified, so
IMHO the repository has not been vetted.
I think we shoul
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> This thread really needs to be put to a conclusion as policy and procedure.
> On the table we have:
>
> Suspension would include:
>
> -- disable the mailing lists (no need to moderate)
> -- disable commit access (no need to review changes)
> -- change the index of
Agree with Bill. Attic isn't the place, and Incubator has plenty or
suspended/terminated/dead/inactive/whatever-the-politically-correct-term-is
and I see no point changing this.
-- Niclas
On Jul 28, 2009 4:41 AM, "William A. Rowe, Jr." wrote:
Jim Jagielski wrote: > Would this be moved to the at
Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Would this be moved to the attic?
Probably not. The Attic is the collection of all released Apache
Projects. Podlings != Projects, and were never accepted as projects.
Do we want to charge the Attic with such additional burdens of then
completing all IP clearances that we
Would this be moved to the attic?
On Jul 27, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
What is the procedure for updating the Web site etc.? We need to let
outsiders know that they should not depend on this incubator
project. (There
are tons of really solid incubator projects that others d
What is the procedure for updating the Web site etc.? We need to let
outsiders know that they should not depend on this incubator project. (There
are tons of really solid incubator projects that others depend on so the
theory that "incubating" means don't depend on it is just that, a theory.)
Sanj
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
This thread really needs to be put to a conclusion as policy and procedure. On
the table we have:
Suspension would include:
-- disable the mailing lists (no need to moderate)
-- disable commit access (no need to review changes)
-- change the index of projects
The
I would recommend that the public facing page for the project also be
modified since it will still show up in searches.
Ralph
On Jul 26, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
This thread really needs to be put to a conclusion as policy and
procedure. On the table we have:
Suspension
This thread really needs to be put to a conclusion as policy and procedure. On
the table we have:
Suspension would include:
-- disable the mailing lists (no need to moderate)
-- disable commit access (no need to review changes)
-- change the index of projects
The idea being to both flag
> In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
> months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
> suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with
XAP,
> I am raising this as a vote.
In favor:
Noel J. Bergman
Ross
>
> Otis
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>> From: Ross Gardler
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:40:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: UIMA
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> From: Ross Gardler
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:40:12 PM
> Subject: Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]
>
> 2009/2/21 Otis Gospodnetic :
> >
> > Perhaps GSOC is something to con
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Ross
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>
> Otis
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> - Original Message
>> From: Thilo Goetz
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:31:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: UIMA [WAS Re
2009/2/20 William A. Rowe, Jr. :
> Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
>>
>> I know that we usually try to strongly encourage companies not to use
>> apache as dumping ground but I wonder sometimes whether it might be
>> useful to accept more contributions of proof-of-concept code
>> especially from acade
2009/2/20 Robert Burrell Donkin :
> On 2/20/09, Thilo Goetz wrote:
>> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Thilo Goetz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is
this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no
>>
2009/2/20 Janne Jalkanen :
>> My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is
>> this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no
>> problems with open source, to the contrary. But they have an
>> overwhelming need to publish and build up a reputation. So
>> they like t
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> From: "William A. Rowe, Jr."
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:57:09 AM
> Subject: Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]
>
> Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
> >
> > I know that we
On Fri 20 Feb 2009 17:23, Thilo Goetz wrote:
>> Can you perhaps contact these individuals one-by-one and get their
>> view on how they see it. Perhaps ask them to publish their work in
>> parallel, and perhaps the 'OSS bug' will bite a couple of them??
>
> I have talked to quite a few of them, a
.org
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:31:50 PM
> Subject: Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]
>
> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> > wrote:
> >
> >> We should probably try to find the collective energy to r
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
I know that we usually try to strongly encourage companies not to use
apache as dumping ground but I wonder sometimes whether it might be
useful to accept more contributions of proof-of-concept code
especially from academia. It's often easier to start from some proof
On 2/20/09, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
>> My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is
>> this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no
>> problems with open source, to the contrary. But they have an
>> overwhelming need to publish and build up a reputation. So
>> the
On 2/20/09, Thilo Goetz wrote:
> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Thilo Goetz wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is
>>> this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no
>>> problems with open source, to the contrar
> My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is
> this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no
> problems with open source, to the contrary. But they have an
> overwhelming need to publish and build up a reputation. So
> they like to publish their source code on t
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
> We should probably try to find the collective energy to review UIMA
> before the project's enthusiasm is sapped.
+1 I may be mistaken, but from the what I can tell UIMA has had to
manage with barely any mentor support for the p
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Thilo Goetz wrote:
>
>
>
>> My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is
>> this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no
>> problems with open source, to the contrary. But they have an
>> overwhelming ne
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Thilo Goetz wrote:
> My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is
> this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no
> problems with open source, to the contrary. But they have an
> overwhelming need to publish and build up a reput
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> wrote:
>
>> We should probably try to find the collective energy to review UIMA
>> before the project's enthusiasm is sapped.
>
> That sounds like a healthy observation. My Q for the community is; Do
> you have a he
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
> We should probably try to find the collective energy to review UIMA
> before the project's enthusiasm is sapped.
That sounds like a healthy observation. My Q for the community is; Do
you have a healthy and diverse set of users? If s
On 2/19/09, Thilo Goetz wrote:
> Jukka Zitting wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>> I have put XAP's status to a vote. What others do people feel should be
>>> considered? I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors
>>> and
>>> the Commun
Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> I have put XAP's status to a vote. What others do people feel should be
>> considered? I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors and
>> the Community as a whole.
>
> I'm not a mentor of Lo
Hello PMC,
As a committer on the XAP Project, I would also vote +1 (non binding of
course) for moving the project from incubation to the attic. We have seen
little community develop around the project and have been making little/no
progress on the code lately.
Thanks for everyones help throughout
On 2/18/09, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Niclas Hedhman
>> wrote:
>
>>> The inertia is enormous, and I personally think that only a drastic,
>>> disruptive change of the codebase (i.e. a ver 3.0, simi
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>> The inertia is enormous, and I personally think that only a drastic,
>> disruptive change of the codebase (i.e. a ver 3.0, similar to what Roy
>> was talking about @ AC-EU-2
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jukka Zitting
> wrote:
>
>> River is another long-term incubating project that seems to have lost
>> its energy. However, there's still some remaining activity and as a
>> mentor I'm putting some effort th
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
>>
>>> IMO suspension is the wrong way to handle inactive podlings.
>>> Suspension implies fault and punishment. Long term inactive
>>> podlings should
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
>> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least
> 4
>> > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
>> > suspension. Having re
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
>
>> IMO suspension is the wrong way to handle inactive podlings.
>> Suspension implies fault and punishment. Long term inactive
>> podlings should just be archived into an Attic.
>
> IMO, you seem to have latch
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
>
>> IMO suspension is the wrong way to handle inactive podlings.
>> Suspension implies fault and punishment. Long term inactive
>> podlings should just be archived into an Attic.
>
> IMO, you seem to have latc
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin <
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/16/09, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least
> 4
> > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
> > suspe
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Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
> IMO suspension is the wrong way to handle inactive podlings.
> Suspension implies fault and punishment. Long term inactive
> podlings should just be archived into an Attic.
IMO, you seem to have latched onto the wrong definition of the word suspend,
which has multip
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least
4
> > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
> > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with
XAP,
> > I am r
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> River is another long-term incubating project that seems to have lost
> its energy. However, there's still some remaining activity and as a
> mentor I'm putting some effort there, hoping to achieve a similar
> revival as we've seen in PDFBox
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> I have put XAP's status to a vote. What others do people feel should be
> considered? I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors and
> the Community as a whole.
I'm not a mentor of Lokahi, but I hang around there. The
On 2/16/09, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
> months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
> suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP,
> I am raising this as a vote.
-1
On 2/16/09, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> if projects get suspended - what happens to the repository? Is
>> it still public available somewhere?
>
> Suspension would include:
>
> -- disable the mailing lists (no need to moderate)
> -- disable commit access (no need to review changes)
> -- change
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP,
I am raising this as a vote.
--- Noel
+1.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP,
I am raising this as a vote.
--- Noel
+1
--kevan
On Feb 16, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at
least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing
with XAP,
I am r
+1.
Eddie
On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Henning Schmiedehausen
wrote:
Noel J. Bergman schrieb:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at
least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009,
Noel J. Bergman schrieb:
> In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
> months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
> suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP,
> I am raising this as a vote.
>
> ---
+1
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Yoav Shapira wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
>> months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
>> suspension. Having reached,
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
> months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
> suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP,
> I am raising
+1
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
> months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
> suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP,
> I am rai
> if projects get suspended - what happens to the repository? Is
> it still public available somewhere?
Suspension would include:
-- disable the mailing lists (no need to moderate)
-- disable commit access (no need to review changes)
-- change the index of projects
The idea being to both f
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
> months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
> suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with
> XAP,
> I am rais
+1
Craig
On Feb 16, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at
least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing
with XAP,
I am
+1
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On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> I have put XAP's status to a vote. What others do people feel should be
> considered? I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors and
> the Community as a whole.
I am long term apache user and have no benefit from projects
+1. I see little chance of XAP being resurrected at this point.
--
Martin Cooper
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
> months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
> suspe
I have put XAP's status to a vote. What others do people feel should be
considered? I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors and
the Community as a whole.
--- Noel
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In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed
suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP,
I am raising this as a vote.
--- Noel
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