On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
> >... All in all I think bloodhound should continue on, and the incubator
> > PMC should trust the mentors to keep things on their current track
> > (hehe) of collaboration-where-poss
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
>... All in all I think bloodhound should continue on, and the incubator
> PMC should trust the mentors to keep things on their current track
> (hehe) of collaboration-where-possible, rather than turn this into an
> overheated debate...
+1, I thin
Hey folks,
I felt I had to take a look at this. Like Ralph I was very concerned
when I saw Ethan's e-mail. Thanks a lot for writing it Ethan, and
thanks for writing it with so much detail.
I just read all the e-mail about bloodhound I could find (that I had
pretty much ignored when I saw other pe
On 1/3/2012 10:55 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:48 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
> wrote:
>>
>> ... Folks, can we please find a better forum for religious "This is the ASF"
>> debates
>> to occur? And keep discussions non-toxic here on general@incubator?...
>
> I don't pe
On Jan 3, 2012 11:48 AM, "William A. Rowe Jr." wrote:
>...
> >> A PMC I am on had this exact conversation with board members several
> >> months ago regarding a code base the project is dependent on that is
housed
> >> outside the ASF which we were considering bringing in as a subproject.
We
> >>
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:48 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
>
>... Folks, can we please find a better forum for religious "This is the ASF"
>debates
> to occur? And keep discussions non-toxic here on general@incubator?...
I don't perceive this thread as religious or toxic - I see a rather
health
On 1/3/2012 2:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2012 2:30 AM, "Ralph Goers" wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>
>>> On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, "Ralph Goers"
> wrote:
Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac. As
long as there i
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> The Trac community revolves mostly
> around the plugins rather than the core. I see Bloodhound as improving
> the core facilities (new features and hauling in certain plugins),
> resulting in a better default distribution (right now, you need to
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Ralph Goers
> wrote:
>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>> ...I'm saying that the *ASF* should avoid judging. We allow competition
>>> among
>>> projects. We accept projects with hard pr
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> ...I'm saying that the *ASF* should avoid judging. We allow competition among
>> projects. We accept projects with hard problems and low chances of success.
>> We accept projects that some don't
On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> As a person wanting to see Apache Bloodhound take off... yeah, I'm making a
> judgement call on whether that can better occur at the ASF instead of
> within the current Trac community. (fwiw, some of the ideas are
> non-starters for Trac, so the
c community dead.
>
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: Niclas Hedhman
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 6:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubat
On Jan 3, 2012 2:30 AM, "Ralph Goers" wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> > On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, "Ralph Goers"
wrote:
> >>
> >> Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac.
As
> > long as there is some kind of active community it is imprope
t; Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> I think it important to highlight that trac-dev was notified on Dec 2
>> of the Bloodhound proposal, but Ethan
FWIW, this link was used by Sam during the discussion I referred to below -
http://s.apache.org/QeN
Ralph
On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>
> On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>> On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, "Ralph Goers" wrote:
>>>
>>> Greg, I do not care one bit
On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, "Ralph Goers" wrote:
>>
>> Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac. As
> long as there is some kind of active community it is improper to fork it
> without their permission.
>
> Eh? You ever
On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, "Ralph Goers" wrote:
>
> Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac. As
long as there is some kind of active community it is improper to fork it
without their permission.
Eh? You ever read the "rules for revolutionaries" page? The basic concept
i
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> I think it important to highlight that trac-dev was notified on Dec 2
> of the Bloodhound proposal, but Ethan and others didn't even notice
> for three weeks. The activity level on trunk, and the active
> committers can be seen on Ohloh:
> http:
Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac. As long
as there is some kind of active community it is improper to fork it without
their permission. As one of the responses on their email thread says, "Its just
rude". You can choose to frame it however you want, but if th
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 06:34, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Hyrum K Wright
> wrote:
>> The Incubator proposal was publicized and discussed on trac-dev
>> *simultaneously* with the discussion on general@incubator, and the
>> reception was generally indifferent (as
Thanks, Jukka.
What I find interesting is that most of the posts in the first thread are after
the vote had already closed here and it seems apparent they weren't even aware
the vote had taken place. From what I read there was a single initial comment
expressing discomfort about the proposal
Hi,
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Hyrum K Wright
wrote:
> The Incubator proposal was publicized and discussed on trac-dev
> *simultaneously* with the discussion on general@incubator, and the
> reception was generally indifferent (as Greg mentioned earlier)
To add some pointers to this, the tr
Agreed: we don't (and shouldn't) encourage hostile forks at the ASF.
This isn't a hostile fork.
>From the beginning, the intention of Bloodhound has been to be to use
the existing Trac system as much as possible and to improve upon it.
After many private (and some public) conversations with severa
Arguing about the vote procedure isn't likely to get you very far. At this
point, I would recommend that you hold a vote on the appropriate Trac mailing
list regarding approving or disapproving a fork and then forwarding that here.
If the existing community doesn't want a fork I would suspect t
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> I find this post disturbing. Had it been posted before the vote closed I
> most certainly would have voted -1 as we don't encourage hostile forks at
> the ASF.
I hadn't realized the vote was closed until after sending the message -- my
apolo
I find this post disturbing. Had it been posted before the vote closed I most
certainly would have voted -1 as we don't encourage hostile forks at the ASF.
Ralph
On Dec 30, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Ethan Jucovy wrote:
> -1
>
> The Bloodhound proposal is to build an issue tracker by first importing t
-1
The Bloodhound proposal is to build an issue tracker by first importing the
Trac core code into the Apache Subversion repository. As currently
planned, this project has potential to be detrimental to the existing Trac
brand and community, and it seems that the Bloodhound project's goals could
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Gavin McDonald wrote:
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org]
>> Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 6:58 PM
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Blood
> -Original Message-
> From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org]
> Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 6:58 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator
>
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:29
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Hyrum K Wright
wrote:
> ...I don't know what the proper procedure for vote counting is...
Usually you just change the subject to [RESULT][VOTE]... to make it
more obvious that you're tallying the vote, and we often list the
names of whoever cast binding vote
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Hyrum K Wright
wrote:
> It seems discussion on Bloodhound has died down, so it's time to call
> a VOTE. Please vote on the acceptance of Bloodhound into the Apache
> Incubator.
>
> The proposal is available at [1] and its content is also included
> below for your
On Dec 19, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
> The proposal is available at [1] and its content is also included
> below for your convenience.
>
> Please vote:
> [ ] +1 Accept Bloodhound for incubation
> [ ] +0 Don't care
> [ ] -1 Don't accept Bloodhound for incubation (please explain)
>
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Hyrum K Wright
wrote:
> ...Please vote on the acceptance of Bloodhound into the Apache
> Incubator...
+1
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> -Original Message-
> From: Hyrum K Wright [mailto:hyrum.wri...@wandisco.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 December 2011 4:55 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: Ian Wild
> Subject: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator
>
> It seems discussion on Bloodhound has died down, so it's time
+1 (binding)
Regards
JB
On 12/20/2011 06:47 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:55:17PM -0600, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
Please vote:
[ ] +1 Accept Bloodhound for incubation
[ ] +0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Don't accept Bloodhound for incubation (please explain)
+1 (binding)
Marvin Hu
+1 from me (binding)!
Cheers,
Chris
On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
> It seems discussion on Bloodhound has died down, so it's time to call
> a VOTE. Please vote on the acceptance of Bloodhound into the Apache
> Incubator.
>
> The proposal is available at [1] and its conten
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:55:17PM -0600, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
> Please vote:
> [ ] +1 Accept Bloodhound for incubation
> [ ] +0 Don't care
> [ ] -1 Don't accept Bloodhound for incubation (please explain)
+1 (binding)
Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Hyrum K Wright
wrote:
> It seems discussion on Bloodhound has died down, so it's time to call
> a VOTE. Please vote on the acceptance of Bloodhound into the Apache
> Incubator.
>
> The proposal is available at [1] and its content is also included
> below for your
> > > Please vote:
> > > [X] +1 Accept Bloodhound for incubation
> > > [ ] +0 Don't care
> > > [ ] -1 Don't accept Bloodhound for incubation (please explain)
> >
> > The world needs a great issue tracker, and starting from the Trac base is
> > Goodness.
>
>
Indeed.
+1
--
Best Regards,
-- Alex
+1 (binding)
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Dec 19, 2011 1:55 PM, "Hyrum K Wright"
> wrote:
> >
> > It seems discussion on Bloodhound has died down, so it's time to call
> > a VOTE. Please vote on the acceptance of Bloodhound into the Apache
> > Incubator.
> >
> > The
On Dec 19, 2011 1:55 PM, "Hyrum K Wright" wrote:
>
> It seems discussion on Bloodhound has died down, so it's time to call
> a VOTE. Please vote on the acceptance of Bloodhound into the Apache
> Incubator.
>
> The proposal is available at [1] and its content is also included
> below for your conv
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