Hi,
On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 06:42 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
> My point here is not that the above is wrong. My point is simply that
> these issues are hard.
>
> Nor do I mean to single out classpath. The ASF, for example, takes
> equal care in evaluating dependencies, ensuring that projects that m
Mark Wielaard wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 14:38 -0500, Paul Hammant wrote:
GPL code can can import BSD, MIT, X11, W3C (etc) code but cannot
currently Apache licensed. That may well be worked out with an
revision to the Apache Software License 2.0.
BSD (etc) is not currently able to import
Hi,
On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 14:38 -0500, Paul Hammant wrote:
> GPL code can can import BSD, MIT, X11, W3C (etc) code but cannot
> currently Apache licensed. That may well be worked out with an
> revision to the Apache Software License 2.0.
>
> BSD (etc) is not currently able to import GPL licens
Hi Doug,
On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 12:00 -0400, Doug Lea wrote:
> I think the brilliance of Geir's move here is that all of
> FSF, Sun, IBM, BEA, etc now have equal motivation to change
> their licensing so that they can participate. I hope they all
> do.
If you reveal the secret plan, it isn't secre
On May 7, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Paul Hammant wrote:
Unless I am mistaken, Apache licensed code will never be able to
'legally' import GPL code.
You are mistaken -- the copyright owner can do whatever they want,
as can users. It is only redistributors that are constrained on
how they can combine and
On May 6, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
The aforementioned issues between GPL and AL aside, I am still trying
to see
how the TCK licensing restrictions are compatible with the GPL.
According
to the FSF licensing page, the Apache License is deemed by the FSF to
be
"incompatible with t
If we want to integrate any new code produced by the Harmany effort
into
any of the existing projects, many of which are under the GPL or only
accept code compatible with the GPL, and since the Apache Incubator
terms allow modern BSD, MIT/X or MIT/W3C terms I think that is probably
the best we can
Re: licensing etc.
I think the brilliance of Geir's move here is that all of
FSF, Sun, IBM, BEA, etc now have equal motivation to change
their licensing so that they can participate. I hope they all
do.
-Doug
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Mark Wielaard wrote:
I'll make sure I talk to one of the FSF legal people again to make sure
there is progress in these discussions. Some people are setting up a new
teleconference between the ASF and FSF to talk about these issues more
directly.
The lengthy set of teleconferences we have been havi
Hi,
On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 00:26 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > But why bother to "work with others"? Why not just join the existing GNU
> > Classpath and Kaffe projects and work within them?
>
> > Geir indicated in a reply to my earlier posting that there were
> > no specific objections to the
Hi,
On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 00:20 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Mark Wielaard wrote:
>
> > I had hoped it would have more emphasized the fact that we would do
> > everything in our power to work out the philosophical, legal and
> > practical issues when reusing existing code for Harmony.
>
> Wel
> But why bother to "work with others"? Why not just join the existing GNU
> Classpath and Kaffe projects and work within them?
> Geir indicated in a reply to my earlier posting that there were
> no specific objections to the Classpath license.
There is a list of issues with both the LGPL and the
On May 7, 2005, at 12:05 AM, Simon Kitching wrote:
On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 15:52 +1200, Simon Kitching wrote:
Sorry, the previous email was sent incomplete. I'll try again..
On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 15:45 +1200, Simon Kitching wrote:
On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 23:10 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Simon Kitchi
Mark Wielaard wrote:
> I had hoped it would have more emphasized the fact that we would do
> everything in our power to work out the philosophical, legal and
> practical issues when reusing existing code for Harmony.
Well, I think it does try, but at this point it must be more important how
we go
On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 15:52 +1200, Simon Kitching wrote:
> Sorry, the previous email was sent incomplete. I'll try again..
>
> On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 15:45 +1200, Simon Kitching wrote:
> > On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 23:10 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > Simon Kitching wrote:
> > >
> > > > legally i
Sorry, the previous email was sent incomplete. I'll try again..
On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 15:45 +1200, Simon Kitching wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 23:10 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Simon Kitching wrote:
> >
> > > legally isn't it impossible for a GPL'd project and an
> > > ASF'd project to *h
On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 23:10 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Simon Kitching wrote:
>
> > legally isn't it impossible for a GPL'd project and an
> > ASF'd project to *have* "synergies"?
>
> Not at all. Individual authors may contribute their own original works, and
> do not give up that right. Fu
Keeping the crosspost because the some part is relevant to the "meta"
discussion around the announcement. Inline
On May 6, 2005, at 11:31 PM, Mark Wielaard wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 22:34 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
People working on Kaffe/Classpath are gonna advise us..see their
Hi,
On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 22:34 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> People working on Kaffe/Classpath are gonna advise us..see their names
> on the proposal :) We (Apache Gump team) has been working with them
> to make Kaffe/Classpath better for a while now
> (http://brutus.apache.org/gump/kaffe/bui
On May 6, 2005, at 11:12 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
On 5/6/05, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
[snip]
Suggestion: the way to encourage people to move to the
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responding to
questions posted here.
It only encourages them.
+1
My
On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 23:04 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> >
> [snip]
>
> Suggestion: the way to encourage people to move to the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is to stop responding to
> questions posted here.
>
> It only encourages them.
I'm happy to ask future questi
On 5/6/05, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> >
> [snip]
>
> Suggestion: the way to encourage people to move to the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is to stop responding to
> questions posted here.
>
> It only encourages them.
+1
My new harmony folder is sad with
Simon Kitching wrote:
> legally isn't it impossible for a GPL'd project and an
> ASF'd project to *have* "synergies"?
Not at all. Individual authors may contribute their own original works, and
do not give up that right. Furthermore, we can design architectures and
interface specifications that
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
[snip]
Suggestion: the way to encourage people to move to the
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questions posted here.
It only encourages them.
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On May 6, 2005, at 10:54 PM, Simon Kitching wrote:
Unfortunately, legally isn't it impossible for a GPL'd project and an
ASF'd project to *have* "synergies"?
Only if you narrowly define "synergy" to mean combining differently-
licensed code.
If GNU (who presumably have a copyright on all the Clas
On May 6, 2005, at 10:26 PM, Simon Kitching wrote:
Hi,
Can someone clarify for me why Harmony is being proposed when GNU
Classpath, Kaffe and other projects are quite a long way to satisfying
the goal of a Free Java environment?
Is it:
* That SUN is not expected to ever grant a free license to run
Unfortunately, legally isn't it impossible for a GPL'd project and an
ASF'd project to *have* "synergies"?
If GNU (who presumably have a copyright on all the Classpath code) are
willing to relicense under the APL, then that would work. Same for Kaffe
(though probably more difficult unless Kaffe re
Simon,
People working on Kaffe/Classpath are gonna advise us..see their names
on the proposal :) We (Apache Gump team) has been working with them
to make Kaffe/Classpath better for a while now
(http://brutus.apache.org/gump/kaffe/buildLog.html). Harmony is going
to increase synergies. We are work
Hi,
Can someone clarify for me why Harmony is being proposed when GNU
Classpath, Kaffe and other projects are quite a long way to satisfying
the goal of a Free Java environment?
Is it:
* That SUN is not expected to ever grant a free license to run the TCK
for a GPL-licensed project, so the only
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