Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Matt Benson
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Matt Benson wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> We have another question on this topic... RH counsel wants to know why >> clause 4 rather than clause 7 of the ICLA doesn't serve our purposes >> here.*  My inexpert answer woul

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Matt Benson wrote: > Hi all, > > We have another question on this topic... RH counsel wants to know why > clause 4 rather than clause 7 of the ICLA doesn't serve our purposes > here.*  My inexpert answer would be that the ICLA, with the exception > of clause 7, dea

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Matt Benson
Hi all, We have another question on this topic... RH counsel wants to know why clause 4 rather than clause 7 of the ICLA doesn't serve our purposes here.* My inexpert answer would be that the ICLA, with the exception of clause 7, deals with "original" works, which is intended to exclude "code tha

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Matt Benson
Adding deltaspike-dev back to the distribution: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Gerhard Petracek wrote: > ok - matt and i just had a short talk with sam to ensure that we are > talking about the same. > it isn't the only way, but to resolve it once and for all it's easier to > handle it via a so

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Gerhard Petracek
ok - matt and i just had a short talk with sam to ensure that we are talking about the same. it isn't the only way, but to resolve it once and for all it's easier to handle it via a software grant. @matt: it would be great if you can contact them again. @sam: thx for your help regards, gerhard

Re: IP clearance for compatibly-licensed software WAS Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Matt Benson
Thanks for the simple example, Ralph. :) Matt On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:25 PM, ralph.goers @dslextreme.com wrote: > I don't have the link in hand at the moment, but lets pretend that someone > wrote some code under the GPL, LGPL or some other non-Apache license. > Someone else takes that code a

Re: IP clearance for compatibly-licensed software WAS Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread ralph.goers @dslextreme.com
I don't have the link in hand at the moment, but lets pretend that someone wrote some code under the GPL, LGPL or some other non-Apache license. Someone else takes that code and simply changes the license header to the Apache license. You then, with all good intent, pick up that software and commit

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Gerhard Petracek
hi, in general - fyi: we don't have a huge import. we discuss single features and if we agree on one, one of the members (of the original project) commits it. all authors have their icla on file, joined the project and participate in the discussion and the release votes. regards, gerhard 2012/

IP clearance for compatibly-licensed software WAS Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Matt Benson
This thread brings up another issue. During this process we have encountered the sentiment that the ASF's insistence on (arguably) extensive documentation to import e.g. ALv2-licensed code seems to express a lack of confidence in "its own" license on the part of the ASF. My response has been, par

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:33 PM, ralph.goers @dslextreme.com wrote: > I didn't mention CCLA's on purpose. A corporation will have a CCLA on file > to either a) declare that certain employees are permitted to contribute > software or b) declare that certain software is contributed to the ASF.  A >

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread ralph.goers @dslextreme.com
I didn't mention CCLA's on purpose. A corporation will have a CCLA on file to either a) declare that certain employees are permitted to contribute software or b) declare that certain software is contributed to the ASF. A CCLA that is on file that only includes Schedule A doesn't grant the ASF perm

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Matt Benson
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:43 PM, ralph.goers @dslextreme.com wrote: > Sorry for jumping in in the middle. > > Code contributed to Apache must be under some form of an agreement. If the > code was authored by an individual and that individual has an ICLA on file > then they can contribute the soft

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread ralph.goers @dslextreme.com
Sorry for jumping in in the middle. Code contributed to Apache must be under some form of an agreement. If the code was authored by an individual and that individual has an ICLA on file then they can contribute the software under their ICLA. If a group of developers developed something and all hav

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Gerhard Petracek
hi matt, imo we have to care about it in case of other external contributions we are going to get quite soon. however, in case of seam3 i don't see any issue at all. #1 redhat has a ccla on file #2 they contacted us [1] to join forces (and they found out that the asf is also a great place for the

DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Matt Benson
Hi, all--per [1], "Generally, the mentors of a new project will need to consult with general@incubator.apache.org or the Apache legal team about the particular circumstances." So, here I am. The situation can be read in detail at [2], but in short is this: DeltaSpike is intended to amalgamate "be

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-16 Thread Matt Benson
It may also be pertinent to note that the codebases here in question are also ALv2 licensed. Matt On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Matt Benson wrote: > Hi, all--per [1], "Generally, the mentors of a new project will need > to consult with general@incubator.apache.org or the Apache legal team > a