On 11/18/2015 06:28 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> PS Alas, "scores" are chalked against the manager of communities who
> fails to satisfy the beany needs of misguided marketing. (Beany
> needs=bean counter needs.)
We should have a support group.
--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
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On 17 November 2015 at 16:20, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Summary of my objection: community building is an art not a science, there is
> no "score" that can be placed upon a community.
True.
Louis.
PS Alas, "scores" are chalked against the manager of communities who
fails to satisfy the beany needs
On 11/17/2015 08:13 PM, Marko Rodriguez wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I suppose the distilled intention of the proposal is to identify the
> answer(s) to the following question:
>
> What makes a "good" open source project?
>
> As I read on general@ and from our project's mentors, "good" is grounded
t leads to the right decision for that community.
Ross
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Sent: 11/17/2015 5:14 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
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Hi,
I suppose the distilled intention of the proposal is to identify the answer(s)
to the following question:
What makes a "good" open source project?
As I read on general@ and from our project's mentors, "good" is grounded in
personal experience (i.e. anecdotes). Why not use the data
It is not the metrics that vote. Humans do.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
*OFBiz Extensions Marketplace*
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Marvin Humphrey
wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 7:20 PM, M
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Marko Rodriguez wrote:
>> ...The Apache Way should be about metrics..
>>...Get the human out of the loop!
>
> No.
>
> The ASF is built on the collective wisdom of its members and
> community. Having me
objection: community building is an art not a science, there is
no "score" that can be placed upon a community.
Ross
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From: Marko Rodriguez [mailto:okramma...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 10:20 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Apache
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Marko Rodriguez
> wrote:
> > ...The Apache Way should be about metrics..
> >...Get the human out of the loop!
>
> No.
>
> The ASF is built on the collective wisdom of its memb
On 11/15/2015 01:20 PM, Marko Rodriguez wrote:
> The Apache Way should be about metrics, not about philosophy as different
> paths lead to the same mountain top <--- See! Is that random Buddhist saying
> that everyone just "believes" even true? :) Get the human out of the loop!
I, for one, wel
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Steve Loughran wrote:
> ...The standard way to test this is run a test workload through the system and
> verify the results are as expected. For an ASF project, that'd probably be
> submitting a patch and seeing what happened
Creating a bot that does that auto
> On 16 Nov 2015, at 00:28, toki wrote:
>
>>
>> not about philosophy as different paths lead to the same mountain top
>
> Somebody failed Buddhist Logic 101. (Not all paths lead to the same
> mountain top, even if they appear to start at the base of the same
> mountain.)
And foundational alp
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, at 11:58 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
> Marko, the metrics approach has been discussed in the past, for instance
> http://markmail.org/message/ubx3utli3bnltv75 So far my feeling is that
> the ASF prefer to deliver of people to build an opinion of projects rather
> than based th
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Marko Rodriguez wrote:
> ...The Apache Way should be about metrics..
>...Get the human out of the loop!
No.
The ASF is built on the collective wisdom of its members and
community. Having metrics-based projects might be an interesting
experiment, but that's not th
Marko, the metrics approach has been discussed in the past, for instance
http://markmail.org/message/ubx3utli3bnltv75 So far my feeling is that the
ASF prefer to deliver of people to build an opinion of projects rather than
based them on pure statistical metrics. But I'd be happy to see something
l
momentary issue or concern -- though a more general concern about how
Apache should evolve.
I personally think that the complex human emotions is important
evolutionary mechanism. The machine or math can't.
On Monday, 16 November 2015, Marko Rodriguez wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was talking with Daniel
On 15/11/2015 18:20, Marko Rodriguez wrote:
> 1. There is no need to have philosophical arguments (not grounded in
> measurables) about what rules a project should follow (bounded by law).
"Healthy" is intrinsically subjective, and as such, unmeasurable,
leading to even more debates as to
> Because of Apache Infrastructure's centralized server model (email lists,
version control, distributions, homepages, etc.), it has the ability to
gather metrics such as, for example, the distribution of pushes to the
repository, the branch factor of the mailing list, the centrality of the
projec
Hi,
I was talking with Daniel Gruno and wrote the following ideas to him. Note that
these are just ideas and not based on any real momentary issue or concern --
though a more general concern about how Apache should evolve.
Apache should NOT use a binary "podling" / "top-level" model. All projec
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