Hi,
I suppose the distilled intention of the proposal is to identify the answer(s)
to the following question:
What makes a "good" open source project?
As I read on general@ and from our project's mentors, "good" is grounded in
personal experience (i.e. anecdotes). Why not use the data you gather to
quantify "good." This way its not a "well I believe," its more of "in this
particular situation given these variables, there is a X% success rate." Also,
it leads to more exploration -- "Huh, I don't think I've ever seen an Apache
project do it like that -- hell, give it a try and lets glean the stats from
it. If anything, we learn."
Personally, I'm all about: "Do whatever you want." (try it -- who cares as long
as its legal). However, if there must be structure, perhaps The Apache Way is a
local optima? Only a broad statistical landscape will tell. And only in data
gathering and analysis will that landscape be constructed from the numerous,
diverse social/technical experiments -- i.e. Apache projects! Without the
openness and computational introspection, Apache podlings will simply
internalize the objective of "just do as expected and graduate." The problem is
that this only engrains a particular philosophy/approach that may not be fit in
the long run. It just seems (to me) that this "carrot-on-a-stick model" of
podling/top-level is outdated much like our modern education system (just take
the classes, get the grades, give the teacher an apple, and get the hell out of
here).
Again -- just shootin' ideas. I have no bee-in-the-bonet or axe-to-grind. I've
just become interested in how your minds tick...
Take care,
Marko.
http://markorodriguez.com
On Nov 17, 2015, at 3:12 PM, Pierre Smits <[email protected]> wrote:
> It is not the metrics that vote. Humans do.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
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> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Marvin Humphrey <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>> ...The Apache Way should be about metrics..
>>>> ...Get the human out of the loop!
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> The ASF is built on the collective wisdom of its members and
>>> community. Having metrics-based projects might be an interesting
>>> experiment, but that's not the ASF.
>>
>> My read of the proposal is that reduces uncertainty for a project
>> attempting to achieve "good health" and discredits any critiques which
>> might be raised by individual humans. Gaming the system can be seen as
>> justifiable if you don't consider the critiques valid and chafe under
>> an authority whose legitimacy you question.
>>
>> Marvin Humphrey
>>
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