On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 11:41AM, Andrew Purtell wrote:
> Thank you for writing back with a detailed clarification.
>
> Regarding encryption at rest, HDFS is adding it as HDFS-6134, so likely
> there will be a new core feature option for the ecosystem to consider
> shortly.
>
> I don’t feel one te
Thanks, Daniel. I'll add you to the proposal.
.. Owen
> On Jul 18, 2014, at 12:36, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>
>> On 07/18/2014 09:33 PM, Owen O'Malley wrote:
>> Sorry that should be "but I have not found one yet."
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Owen O'Malley wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri,
On 07/18/2014 09:33 PM, Owen O'Malley wrote:
> Sorry that should be "but I have not found one yet."
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Owen O'Malley wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Henry Saputra
>> wrote:
>>
>>> when all PPMCs including mentors and committers are from same
>
Sorry that should be "but I have not found one yet."
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Owen O'Malley wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Henry Saputra
> wrote:
>
>> when all PPMCs including mentors and committers are from same
>> organizations
>>
>
> Argus *does* have an external mentor
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Henry Saputra
wrote:
> when all PPMCs including mentors and committers are from same organizations
>
Argus *does* have an external mentor. Jakob Homan is working at LinkedIn
and has never worked at Hortonworks.
I've been looking for a second external mentor, bu
Hi Owen,
Thanks for details explanation about the statement. Really appreciate
the clarification.
- Henry
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Owen O'Malley wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Henry Saputra
> wrote:
>
>> HI,
>>
>> Just curious if you could give reference to "Apache encourag
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Owen O'Malley wrote:
> Chris, I know you are pretty overloaded at the moment with podlings, but
> would
> you be willing to be a mentor for Argus?
I don't have many cycles for this, but if it's a blocker for
incubation then I'll make time. -C
>> Initial committer
> understand them correctly. I encourage you to address concerns raised on
> this thread about the complexion of the initial PMC and mentorships. There
> have been a few suggestions worth exploring.
>
+1 to Andrew's comment.
Let us be real for a moment, when all PPMCs including mentors and
commit
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Andrew Purtell wrote:
> Establishing trust and a track record of inclusion and
> openness will be essential for Argus to achieve your objectives, if I
> understand them correctly. I encourage you to address concerns raised on
> this thread about the complexion of
> Working this out within the community makes more sense, rather than doing
this outside. Not attempting would be counterproductive.
Does this not argue directly against the rationale of the Argus proposal?
Please correct me if I am wrong, but this suggests addressing security
concerns within exis
Andrews, thanks for your feedback. My responses are inline.
Regards
Bosco
On Jul 17, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Andrew Purtell wrote:
> Thank you for writing back with a detailed clarification.
>
> Regarding encryption at rest, HDFS is adding it as HDFS-6134, so likely
> there will be a new core feat
Thank you for writing back with a detailed clarification.
Regarding encryption at rest, HDFS is adding it as HDFS-6134, so likely
there will be a new core feature option for the ecosystem to consider
shortly.
> I don’t feel one technology or one company or one small group or one
approach can sol
> How do you define the 'Hadoop complex eco-system'? If that definition
Agreed, complex is a relative term. I used the term complex, because now more
than 20 products use Hadoop and list is growing. There are 10 products listed
on http://hadoop.apache.org/. Then there are others projects like Acc
This statement might not be quite right:
> Even within Hadoop complex eco-system, each components have limited or no
security controls.
How do you define the 'Hadoop complex eco-system'? If that definition
includes projects such as HBase, we have significant security controls, so
that wouldn't be
Hi JB
We will be centralizing the administration and auditing for Knox. And we will
be also standardizing the authentication for web applications for all
components within Hadoop ecosystem, for which we might consider Shiro. I would
like to understand more about Syncope and see how production r
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Alejandro Abdelnur
wrote:
> Have you considered reaching out to the Sentry community to see if they
> would be interested in bringing Argus existing code base into Sentry?
>
We did consider it, but decided that the challenge of integrating the two
distinct
code b
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Chris Douglas wrote:
> The committer and PPMC list should be honest. If there is no
> diversity, that fact must be visible for it to be tracked.
>
a big +1
Chris, I know you are pretty overloaded at the moment with podlings, but
would
you be willing to be a ment
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Henry Saputra
wrote:
> HI,
>
> Just curious if you could give reference to "Apache encourages
> disjoint teams to form independent projects, even when those projects
> overlap in scope" statement ?
>
Henry,
It generally comes from the "Community over Code,"
> There is some overlap between the goals of Argus and Apache
> Sentry. Apache encourages disjoint teams to form independent
> projects, even when those projects overlap in scope. Additionally,
> we feel that the distinct code bases, development teams, and
> different approaches to the problem shou
Is it worth a thought to require that new podlings find a champion who is
not employed by the same organization?
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Henry Saputra
wrote:
> Definitely +1, active members, with lack diversity, are more useful.
>
> My original comment was to suggest having mentors co
Definitely +1, active members, with lack diversity, are more useful.
My original comment was to suggest having mentors come from different
organizations so hopefully could help provide different perspectives
and inputs to the podling.
Never my intention to suggest false diversity to start an Apach
HI,
Just curious if you could give reference to "Apache encourages
disjoint teams to form independent projects, even when those projects
overlap in scope" statement ?
- Henry
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Selvamohan Neethiraj
wrote:
> Apache Argus Proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/A
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Chris Douglas wrote:
> > So, I am fond of Henry's hope that the project will solicit a more
> diversified
> > set of mentors and initial committers.
>
> The committer and PPMC list should be honest. If there is no
> diversity, that fact must be visible for it to b
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
> If an objective of a podding is to build a diversified community then perhaps
> it should be an explicitly defined graduation criteria? In fact, earlier I
> have
> raised exactly the same question about Tez but I don't think it ever be
Hi,
it looks interesting.
Do you have an idea about the interactions with other projects (Knox,
Shiro, Syncope, whatever) ?
Regards
JB
On 07/15/2014 04:16 AM, Selvamohan Neethiraj wrote:
Apache Argus Proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ArgusProposal)
== Abstract ==
Argus is a frame
If an objective of a podding is to build a diversified community then perhaps
it should be an explicitly defined graduation criteria? In fact, earlier I have
raised exactly the same question about Tez but I don't think it ever been
satisfactory answered.
As for chances of a project to stick with g
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Sean Owen wrote:
The proposal just says it overlaps, and that it might be good have a
> different group of people reimplement some of the same things. Is
> there a real gap that people want to build to plug here with overlap
> at the edges, or is the scope of the
I think it would be useful to expand on how this is different from Sentry too:
"Argus is a framework to enable, monitor and manage comprehensive data
security across the Hadoop platform."
"The Apache Knox Gateway is a REST API Gateway for interacting with
Hadoop clusters. [for the purposes of...]
Rob
Argus main focus is to holistically solve the security challenges within the
complex ecosystem of Hadoop. Argus solution will leverage existing solutions
where applicable, which might include using security from Shiro for some of the
Web or REST applications authentication.
Regards
Bosco
Hi Andrew, thanks for chiming in =)
I like your and Owen's opinion about initial members of an incubator project.
And also agree it is responsibility of the polling to achieve better
diversity during its time under Apache incubator.
For this particular proposal, however, the mentors mostly coming
Owen, thanks for the reply.
If possible I would like to have mentors coming from different
organizations to add some check and balance to the podling.
I think most of the incubator projects that have initial members from
one organization have diverse mentors from different organizations to
help pr
I had started typing up a response to Henry's mail but will discard the
beginning of it to say I agree with Owen. A new project coming into the
incubator quite naturally could have the initial set of committers entirely
from one organization. An organization donating an existing code base, for
exam
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Henry Saputra
wrote:
> Maybe we should start asking incubator project to try to build some
> kind of momentum or community before going to ASF incubator.
>
Apache incubator is a great place for new projects to grow their community
and diversity. Once a project is
Maybe we should start asking incubator project to try to build some
kind of momentum or community before going to ASF incubator.
All but one PPMC members for this proposal would be from Hortonworks.
Personally I think this basically like hosting your project under
Hortonwork Github account.
I per
Interesting proposal, it seems like the core technology being described
has a lot in common with Apache Shiro
Has collaboration with that community been considered whether just in
terms of reusing existing Shiro components wherever possible or something
deeper e.g. inviting Shiro developers to hel
Apache Argus Proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ArgusProposal)
== Abstract ==
Argus is a framework to enable, monitor and manage comprehensive data security
across the Hadoop platform.
The name “Argus” is derived from Argus Panoptes, a 100-eyed giant in Greek
mythology, endowed with a
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