The size of the community doesn't matter; what does is that
the project is useful to said community and that the community
itself (and the project) are healthy.
There is nothing "wrong" with niche projects ;)
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On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Roman Shaposhnik
wrote:
>...
> In case you're curious -- I'd ask the same question, for example,
> about a community
> that decided to produce software that is be only applicable as an add-on
> for a small market share commercial offering.
>
The Foundation does
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Roman Shaposhnik
> wrote:
>
>> > Graduation does not require diversity of the PMC. It requires that the
>> project be run according to
>> > the Apache Way which includes being open to any viewpoint brought to t
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Roman Shaposhnik
wrote:
> > Graduation does not require diversity of the PMC. It requires that the
> project be run according to
> > the Apache Way which includes being open to any viewpoint brought to the
> project, regardless
> > of the source. Furthermore, the
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> On 4/27/15 10:05 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
>> ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's a tough one. We could be setting a precedence here that we absolutely
>>> do not want
hrow it out there. If it makes you, David,
as VP Infra more comfortable making infra produced code available then we
should probably do it.
Ross
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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:55 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DIS
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
wrote:
> I’ll note that the only person I see from infra that has been proposed
> in the current PMC is Jake Ferrel:
>
> * Acquia: Jake Farrell
>
> Someone also correct me in that I don’t think Jake is a paid infra
> contractor.
>
> In add
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
wrote:
> I’ll note that the only person I see from infra that has been proposed
> in the current PMC is Jake Ferrel:
>
The other person is Dan Norris. Dan is a paid contractor, but talked
with me before volunteering himself. I told him ab
Ruby
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:04 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
wrote:
>
> As for going straight to TLP I agree. Sam did say this was a possibility but
> I believe he (rightly so) wants
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
wrote:
>
> As for going straight to TLP I agree. Sam did say this was a possibility but
> I believe he (rightly so) wants to ensure that the proposal is solid before
> asking the board and IPMC to consider this path.
Suffice it to sa
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
wrote:
> I don't see how this is any different from any other project. The initial
> contributors will work on it to
> satisfy their needs. If organization X wants to use it they can contribute
> code to generalize the
> software and m
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Shaposhnik
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 9:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
wrote:
> Not sure if your concern is diversity or scal
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:47 PM Sam Ruby Anyone
who is so inclined is welcome to edit the proposal directly.
>
>
> No urgency or timeframe in mind (other than preferably starting sometime
> in 2015ish). My current thinking is to follow in Steve's footprints and
> go directly to TLP, but I'm start
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
wrote:
> Not sure if your concern is diversity or scale, so I'll address both
> separately. If your concern is
> something else please be more explicit.
>
> Graduation does not require diversity of the PMC. It requires that the
> proje
On 4/27/15 10:05 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
> ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> It's a tough one. We could be setting a precedence here that we absolutely
>> do not want to set. On the other hand, it's problematic (not to mention
>>
l.com [mailto:shaposh...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman
Shaposhnik
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 8:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
Apologies if this has been asked, but Rich's points got me thinking. As it
stands, I'm not sure I can see how Whimsy can grad
I'd like to be on the initial list as well, so I've added myself.
On 24 April 2015 at 04:46, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
>
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhimsyProposal
>
> Anyone who is so inclined is welcome to edit the proposal directly.
>
> No urgency or timefra
Apologies if this has been asked, but Rich's points got me
thinking. As it stands, I'm not sure I can see how Whimsy
can graduate without us squinting just so. Basically, I don't
see a clear way for the community to grow much beyond
the initial list of committers.
In a way, I'd rather see Whimsy g
Hi Rich,
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From: Rich Bowen
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 5:44 AM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
>
>
>On 04/27/2015 10:18 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrot
On 04/27/2015 10:17 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
+1, that's what I was trying to convey.
-Original Message-
From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 7:05 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
On Mon, A
On 04/27/2015 10:18 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
I’ll note that the only person I see from infra that has been proposed
in the current PMC is Jake Ferrel:
* Acquia: Jake Farrell
Someone also correct me in that I don’t think Jake is a paid infra
contractor.
In addition the way I see th
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> ...Our mission is "software for the public good". Whimsy is software for the
> ASF's good. How does the public benefit from Whimsy?...
It makes us more efficient. As a board member, Whimsy helps me spend
less time on the boring mechanics of our
ith this if there
> is an actual data point instead of hypotheticals.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Stein
> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
> Date: Monday, April 27, 2015 at 7:05 PM
> To: "general@incub
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> The ASF pays for Infra contractors. Their job/role is to maintain our
> systems. Sometimes their duty *may* be to contribute software to $Project
> (wherever that may be).
>
> That is *very* distinct from paying a person to contribute directly t
: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
>On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
>ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> It's a tough one. We could be setting a precedence here that we
>>absolutely
>> do no
+1, that's what I was trying to convey.
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From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 7:05 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
r
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> It's a tough one. We could be setting a precedence here that we absolutely
> do not want to set. On the other hand, it's problematic (not to mention
> simply ridiculous) if the foundation not being
am through the normal
contribution process. There is no special role for ASF infra contractors."
Ross
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Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 6:11 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>
> On 04/27/2015 02:45 PM, Upayavira wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015, at 06:50 PM, David Nalley wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
https://wiki.apache.org/incu
On 04/27/2015 02:45 PM, Upayavira wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015, at 06:50 PM, David Nalley wrote:
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhimsyProposal
Anyone who is so inclined is welcome to edit the proposal d
+1
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 27, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Upayavira wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015, at 06:50 PM, David Nalley wrote:
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Upayavira wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015, at 06:50 PM, David Nalley wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> > Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
>> >
>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhimsyProposal
>> >
>> > Anyone who is so inclined i
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>
> On 04/23/2015 02:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>
>> Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
>>
>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhimsyProposal
>>
>> Anyone who is so inclined is welcome to edit the proposal directly.
>>
>> No urgency or timeframe in
On 04/23/2015 02:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhimsyProposal
Anyone who is so inclined is welcome to edit the proposal directly.
No urgency or timeframe in mind (other than preferably starting sometime
in 2015ish). My current th
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015, at 06:50 PM, David Nalley wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> > Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
> >
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhimsyProposal
> >
> > Anyone who is so inclined is welcome to edit the proposal directly.
> >
> > No urgency
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
>
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhimsyProposal
>
> Anyone who is so inclined is welcome to edit the proposal directly.
>
> No urgency or timeframe in mind (other than preferably starting sometime in
> 2015i
Updated proposal with everyone from board@ that expressed interest in being
involved
-Jake
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Shane Curcuru
> wrote:
> > On 4/23/15 5:41 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> >> Infra already supports Whimsy
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> On 4/23/15 5:41 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
>> Infra already supports Whimsy so having a TLP is irrelevant in that
>> respect (although on reason Sam is doing this is because infra
>> expressed a concern about maintaining a servic
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> > I'd suggest striking the user@ mailing list. Keep the community (such
> as it
> > is) on dev@ until traffic gets too heavy. I've seen early splitting of
> the
> > user/dev keep a new project
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>...
>
> our own project operations, which we'll do in any case. The presumed
> pTLP would be to develop the code; I could easily imagine some of the
> code being useful as examples outside of the ASF. Being a pTLP would
> also make developme
From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:32 PM
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
> >
> > On Thursday, April 23, 2015, Sam Ruby wrote:
> >
> >> Initial sketch placed on the wiki
hursday, April 23, 2015 2:32 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
>
> On Thursday, April 23, 2015, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
>>
>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhimsyProposal
>>
>> Anyone who is s
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhimsyProposal
Looks good to me!
BTW as I've said before I think discussing new projects here even if
they mean to go direct to TLP makes a lot of sense, so thanks for
doing
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> I'd suggest striking the user@ mailing list. Keep the community (such as it
> is) on dev@ until traffic gets too heavy. I've seen early splitting of the
> user/dev keep a new project from reaching a good critical mass.
FWIW, I copied from Steve
I'd suggest striking the user@ mailing list. Keep the community (such as it
is) on dev@ until traffic gets too heavy. I've seen early splitting of the
user/dev keep a new project from reaching a good critical mass.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Initial sketch placed on the w
: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:32 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
On Thursday, April 23, 2015, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
>
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhimsyProposal
>
> Anyone who is so inclined is welcome to ed
On Thursday, April 23, 2015, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
>
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhimsyProposal
>
> Anyone who is so inclined is welcome to edit the proposal directly.
>
> No urgency or timeframe in mind (other than preferably starting sometime
> in 2015ish)
Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhimsyProposal
Anyone who is so inclined is welcome to edit the proposal directly.
No urgency or timeframe in mind (other than preferably starting sometime
in 2015ish). My current thinking is to follow in Steve's footprints
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