Sorry this went out accidentally ...
I'm going to pull out as a mentor and as a committer.
Thanks,
Alex
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
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> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
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>> On Sep 25, 2013, at 3:54 AM, Lieven Govaerts
>> wrote:
>> > a
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
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> On Sep 25, 2013, at 3:54 AM, Lieven Govaerts
> wrote:
> > and that the incubator
> > promotes this as 'the right thing to do' (which I didn''t know until
> > now).
>
> Because it's NOT true. The right thing to do is what the
> podling d
On Sep 25, 2013, at 3:54 AM, Lieven Govaerts wrote:
> and that the incubator
> promotes this as 'the right thing to do' (which I didn''t know until
> now).
Because it's NOT true. The right thing to do is what the
podling determines; the whole problem was with uncontrolled
piling on of completel
Hi,
note that one of the WSO2 engineers has already started participating
on the usergrid-dev list with some (small) patches.
So relax a bit, and give people some time to read the existing
docs/code and start interacting with the existing community.
Continuing to escalate this topic is not going
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> On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:22 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
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>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Dave wrote:
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>> Thanks Sanjiva. I'm glad we we able to get things sorte
No. A new vote is required.
On Sep 25, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Dave wrote:
> Thanks Sanjiva. I'm glad we we able to get things sorted out. And, thanks
> to everybody who gave us feedback and +1 votes.
>
> Since Usergrid is in need, I'd like to volunteer to be the champion.
>
> Since this is a change
> Since Usergrid is in need, I'd like to volunteer to be the champion.
+1 on Dave championing.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Dave wrote:
> Thanks Sanjiva. I'm glad we we able to get things sorted out. And, thanks
> to everybody who gave us feedback and +1 votes.
>
> Since Usergrid is in need
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Dave wrote:
> Thanks Sanjiva. I'm glad we we able to get things sorted out. And, thanks
> to everybody who gave us feedback and +1 votes.
>
> Since Usergrid is in need, I'd like to volunteer to be the champion.
>
>
I'm good with that.
> Since this is a change t
Thanks Sanjiva. I'm glad we we able to get things sorted out. And, thanks
to everybody who gave us feedback and +1 votes.
Since Usergrid is in need, I'd like to volunteer to be the champion.
Since this is a change to the proposal I think we should edit the proposal
and then I will nominate as the
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
SNIP ...
Time to get past this and get the project going!
If we could have gotten here without the diversion, then the vote would not
have been derailed as it was.
> I will not offer to mentor
> nor will WSO2 commit our folks to it a
+1, and thanks for finding a way to light a candle rather than curse the
darkness, Sanjiva.
Usergrid may have been on Github and under the ALv2 for the last couple years,
but as far as I know, it has not been under an open governance model until
now. Releasing a project into open governance is no
I think there's just a lot of misunderstanding and overreaction over
nothing .. all based on presumed negative intent.
Time to get past this and get the project going! I will not offer to mentor
nor will WSO2 commit our folks to it at this point (yes Alex as CEO I will
decide whether we commit wor
Thanks for clearing that up Jim. Now who is going to make peace over all the
spilled milk here?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:12 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
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>> On Sep 25, 2013, at 12:39 AM, Joseph Schaefer wrote:
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>> All things
>> considered, would it be better if Sanjiva
On Sep 25, 2013, at 12:39 AM, Joseph Schaefer wrote:
> All things
> considered, would it be better if Sanjiva and colleagues
> ASKED to be included in the proposal instead of just adding
> themselves in an ad hoc fashion?
Which is exactly what they did. They expressed an interest
and were added
Stop talking and start contributing.
Show your commitment by contributing.
Show the present community who has worked on it for 2 years that you
understand their software and care enough to spend the time applying it.
This way when if your CEO says get out, you'll be like "GTFO I value and I
inve
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Deepal jayasinghe wrote:
> > It's a community that brings the project. That community doesn't cease
> to exist just because it is subsumed into Apache. A TLP's community gets
> to decide who to accept as a new community member, based on merit (with the
> board's
The question here is not CEO's involvement. But rather the way everything
reacted. Nobody likes to be accused for doing good things right? I am truly
interested about the project but I do fear what will happen according to
the mails sent by initial committers.. Also I didn't add my name to the
wiki
> It's a community that brings the project. That community doesn't cease to
> exist just because it is subsumed into Apache. A TLP's community gets to
> decide who to accept as a new community member, based on merit (with the
> board's oversight to make sure it isn't dominated by a single comm
That's a really nice world Marcel. I'd love to believe that again. However
people will still have ill intentions even here at Apache. Just because we
say all these good things does not mean everyone feels the same way and
economics does rear it's ugly face.
Just look and see the control with which
If a podling steadfastly refused to add any other committers, then I think its
mentors would try to explain why that's a bad thing, and if that behaviour
continued, then the incubator would vote against graduating it.
On 2013-09-25, at 2:12 AM, Deepal jayasinghe wrote:
> Apache is community o
A true open source contributor does not have a CEO, and takes the
personal judgements not what CEO or someone asked you to do.
Deepal
> I was actually looking forward to contributing for this project where ever
> possible but I think people have misunderstood our intentions. As requested
> by my C
Apache is community over code, but here is more like code over community.
As a community we should be able to tolerate the conflicts of interest.
Once the project is incubated in Apache, the project belongs to Apache
and direction and future of the project should be decided by the
community, not
It would be nice if everybody would started wearing their Apache hats and act
as individuals that are interested in joining an exciting new project in the
incubator. I would prefer it if everybody would assume good intentions here.
We're all collaborating out in the open as a community, so let's
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Nirmal Fernando wrote:
I've written below, wearing my Apache hat.
> hmm.. it appears to me that though you pushed the project into ASF, your
> intentions were not pure and you don't want any competitor of Apigee to be
> joined to the project (by going on your wor
Hi Joseph,
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Joseph Schaefer wrote:
> Honestly the point that keeps getting missed here is
> that everything we do at Apache proceeds at a notoriously
> slow pace so people can adjust accordingly. All things
> considered, would it be better if Sanjiva and colleag
Are you guys wearing Apache hats or WS02 hats? If you're wearing Apache hats,
then I'd expect a bit less fealty to your CEO's request and a little more "OK,
I see your point, but I'm really excited about the project, here's what I'd
like to do on the project, do you mind adding me as an initia
hmm.. it appears to me that though you pushed the project into ASF, your
intentions were not pure and you don't want any competitor of Apigee to be
joined to the project (by going on your words, it is quite natural to think
so.) even if they showed their genuine interest on helping the project out,
Honestly the point that keeps getting missed here is
that everything we do at Apache proceeds at a notoriously
slow pace so people can adjust accordingly. All things
considered, would it be better if Sanjiva and colleagues
ASKED to be included in the proposal instead of just adding
themselves in a
I was actually looking forward to contributing for this project where ever
possible but I think people have misunderstood our intentions. As requested
by my CEO, I would like to withdraw my committer request.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Dulitha Wijewantha wrote:
> +1 for the Dave Fisher's e
+1 for the Dave Fisher's example. I believe most of the people have
misunderstood our intentions. We were offering to help the project to grow
and graduate faster. I am withdrawing my committer request as our CEO asked
too. But honestly speaking - if you guys are *scared* of the *community*
and wha
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
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> On Sep 24, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
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> >
> > Put yourself in their shoes for a second? It's a big leap of faith for
> some
> > projects to come and propose for incubation. You just scared the bejesus
> > out of these guys e
On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
>> ...So fill the bus with anybody who volunteers? That does not sound
>> meritocratic
>
> It's been like that for a while in the Incubator, people who sign up
> as initial commi
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 6:07 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> If I could offer one final word of advice: when this
> proposal is resubmitted (if it is), add some Mentors who
> fully grok this, and have the guts to back it up and to
> Do What's Right for the sake of the podling.
>
Is this necessary?
-
On Sep 24, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Ed Anuff wrote:
> Sanjiva, two points I'd like to make:
>
> 1) You have stated from your first email on this topic that you'd like to
> introduce a dependency on Stratos. The community doesn't want to do this.
Ignoring the whole 'what it is' that the community doe
On Sep 24, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
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> Put yourself in their shoes for a second? It's a big leap of faith for some
> projects to come and propose for incubation. You just scared the bejesus
> out of these guys even if they wanted to work with you.
>
You have also made it clear
Alex:
- only I from WSO2 offered to mentor AFAIK. I hereby withdraw my
suggestion. Senaka Fernando, sent a +1 binding vote but he's an ASF Member
. Senaka is not even remotely involved with this particular work - we have
250+ people in WSO2.
- given your explanation and feeling I will ask the WSO2
Sanjiva, two points I'd like to make:
1) You have stated from your first email on this topic that you'd like to
introduce a dependency on Stratos. The community doesn't want to do this.
It's not a business thing, we just want a minimum footprint architecture
based on Tomcat and Cassandra. What
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:33 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Alex Karasulu
> wrote:
>
> >
> > However, when the CEO of a company adamantly volunteers to mentor a
> > perspective podling, and within 36 hours a few of his employees also
> > volunteer, then people s
As mentioned before I would like to be added as a committer and help in
contributing to usergrid.
Thanks.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Alex Karasulu
> wrote:
> > ...So fill the bus with anybody who volunteers? That does not so
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
> ...So fill the bus with anybody who volunteers? That does not sound
> meritocratic
It's been like that for a while in the Incubator, people who sign up
as initial committers for a podling usually don't have to demonstrate
any merit.
Wh
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
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> However, when the CEO of a company adamantly volunteers to mentor a
> perspective podling, and within 36 hours a few of his employees also
> volunteer, then people start thinking things. And this is very natural. I'm
> not saying they're f
I'm writing with my WSO2 hat on:
Ed, we didn't participate in this project in Github is that it was a Github
project run by Apigee, a competitor of ours.
When the project becomes an ASF project, it becomes an *ASF* project and
its no longer that of a particular company. We just donated one of our
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:23:34AM +0600, Alex Karasulu wrote:
> >On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Jim Jagielski <[1]j...@jagunet.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 01:59:21AM +0600, Alex Karasulu wrote:
> > > On Wed
Jim, thanks for your efforts on this. Appreciate all your help so far.
Ed
> On Sep 24, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
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>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Ed Anuff wrote:
>>
>> We definitely want participation, that's what this is all about, but I'm a
>> little bit surprised at the numbe
On Sep 24, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Ed Anuff wrote:
> We definitely want participation, that's what this is all about, but I'm a
> little bit surprised at the number of folks all from the same company
> affiliation who want to be committers that have had heretofore no involvement
> or interest in the
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:23:34AM +0600, Alex Karasulu wrote:
>On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Jim Jagielski <[1]j...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 01:59:21AM +0600, Alex Karasulu wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Jim Jagielski <[2]j...@jagunet.com>
>
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 01:59:21AM +0600, Alex Karasulu wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:40:19PM +0200, Lieven Govaerts wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Jim
We definitely want participation, that's what this is all about, but I'm a
little bit surprised at the number of folks all from the same company
affiliation who want to be committers that have had heretofore no
involvement or interest in the project for it's previous 2 years of ASLv2
existence on G
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 01:59:21AM +0600, Alex Karasulu wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:40:19PM +0200, Lieven Govaerts wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > > > Alex, if people want to join and add t
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:40:19PM +0200, Lieven Govaerts wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > > Alex, if people want to join and add themselves as
> > > committers, then they can. The bar to entry for podlin
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:40:19PM +0200, Lieven Govaerts wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > Alex, if people want to join and add themselves as
> > committers, then they can. The bar to entry for podlings
> > during the initial proposal stage is "I'm interested" :)
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Alex, if people want to join and add themselves as
> committers, then they can. The bar to entry for podlings
> during the initial proposal stage is "I'm interested" :)
Is there some more background available on why the barrier is set this
l
Forgot to add the link.
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Lieven Govaerts
wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>> Alex, if people want to join and add themselves as
>> committers, then they can. The bar to entry for podlings
>> during the initial proposal stage is "I'm i
To abide, I have cancelled the vote.
I would encourage people who STILL want to be added,
and if I have not done so, to ANNOUNCE their intention
in this thread and then take on the responsibility
of adding themselves.
I will kick off another VOTE on Thursday (the 26th) at
noon eastern. I will mak
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Alex, if people want to join and add themselves as
> committers, then they can. The bar to entry for podlings
> during the initial proposal stage is "I'm interested" :)
If a podling wants to add anyone who asks to the "initial committers" li
Alex, if people want to join and add themselves as
committers, then they can. The bar to entry for podlings
during the initial proposal stage is "I'm interested" :)
On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:14 AM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
> Hi Niranjan, Dulitha,
>
> It's fantastic to see you and others wanting to dive
Hi Niranjan, Dulitha,
It's fantastic to see you and others wanting to dive in and you're all more
than welcome. We're looking forward to your involvement to the fullest
extent possible in this community.
The initial aim of the community right now is to meet the incubator entry
requirements, enter
+1 for the proposal and I would like to be added as a committer to the
usergrid project. I wasn't able to add myself as a committer before voting
was called for. Therefore I request if the champion or a mentor can add me
to the proposal.
Thanks.
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Dulitha Wijewanth
+1 for the proposal. I would liked to get added as an initial committer to
the user-grid project. I didn't get a chance to add to the proposal before
the vote was called. It would be great if the champion or a mentors can add
it in the proposal (since now going under a vote).
Thanks
On Mon, Sep
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Did you see what you replied too?? "propose a vote" and
> the subject sez [VOTE]. :)
It's probably an email client issue. From the `Message-Id:` header of
Sanjiva's emails, it looks like might be using Gmail. With Gmail, changing
the subj
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