Hi Joseph,
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Joseph Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>wrote: > Honestly the point that keeps getting missed here is > that everything we do at Apache proceeds at a notoriously > slow pace so people can adjust accordingly. All things > considered, would it be better if Sanjiva and colleagues > ASKED to be included in the proposal instead of just adding > themselves in an ad hoc fashion? What we did was, just a request to be added as a committer, we never went and added ourselves in an ad hoc manner. In this case, perhaps so, > but not because this is settled law, but because there is > significant skepticism and doubt that really doesn't belong > in a place like Apache. Too much time is being wasted on > appearances and lip service is being paid to folks with > well-established levels of trust and expertise on how to > collaborate and ultimately govern here. > > 99% of the time attracting the talent of existing committers > is a welcome event, even when one of them is a CEO who is pushing > a few people along. This is no big deal folks, and shouldn't be > treated like one. Competing corps collaborate every day here on a > mutually successful basis, and I fully expect that to continue to > be the case with this polling no matter what process is used to > setup the initial committer list. > > > On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:51 PM, Niranjan Karunanandham < > niranjan.k...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I was actually looking forward to contributing for this project where > ever > > possible but I think people have misunderstood our intentions. As > requested > > by my CEO, I would like to withdraw my committer request. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Dulitha Wijewantha <dulit...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> +1 for the Dave Fisher's example. I believe most of the people have > >> misunderstood our intentions. We were offering to help the project to > grow > >> and graduate faster. I am withdrawing my committer request as our CEO > asked > >> too. But honestly speaking - if you guys are *scared* of the *community* > >> and what the *community* is - I don't believe you shouldn't mention the > >> below words in the proposal - > >> > >> *Although we are aware of the strength of the Apache brand, we are > >> primarily > >> * > >> *interested in the transforming power of the Apache Way to help guide* > >> *Usergrid towards a more diversified and meritocratic community* > >> > >> > >> In my humble opinion - the above line should not be a part of the > proposal > >> since the Apache way has always been to gather a community around the > >> proposal who have shown interest towards the idea. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Alex Karasulu <akaras...@apache.org > > > >>> wrote: > >>>>> ...So fill the bus with anybody who volunteers? That does not sound > >>>>> meritocratic.... > >>>> > >>>> It's been like that for a while in the Incubator, people who sign up > >>>> as initial committers for a podling usually don't have to demonstrate > >>>> any merit. > >>>> > >>>> When the time comes to graduate the podling, it's perfectly fine to > >>>> ask it to prune its list of committers and PMC members in order to > >>>> keep only people who have demonstrated their committment during > >>>> incubation. > >>> > >>> When OpenOffice.org was brought to the Incubator there was open > >>> enrollment. There were over 70 Initial Committers. I had no experience > >> with > >>> OpenOffice. I did have an understanding of the ASF. I could help and I > >> did. > >>> It was tough to have such a large list many were OpenOffice.org people > >> who > >>> never really adapted to the ASF. We had all these people on the PPMC. > >> When > >>> graduation time came we managed to reduce the PMC to 25. We left the > >>> Initial Committers connected. It hasn't really been a problem. > >>> > >>> My point is that without the Initial Committer free for all I think > that > >>> AOO would not be as successful as now. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Dave > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> *Dulitha R. Wijewantha** Software Engineer* > >> Tel: 94112793140 | Mobile: 94112793140 > >> dulit...@gmail.com | http://dulithawijewantha.com > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > *Niranjan Karunanandham* > > Senior Software Engineer > > M: +94 777 749 661 <http:///> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Best Regards, Nirmal C.S.Nirmal J. Fernando Senior Software Engineer, WSO2 Inc. Blog: http://nirmalfdo.blogspot.com/
