Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-13 Thread Craig L Russell
On Feb 13, 2008, at 1:38 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Feb 13, 2008 1:09 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... In projects where commit is handed out with ease, and that commit is never used, at some point it should be reviewed (and this should happen BEFORE gradua

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Feb 13, 2008 1:09 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... In projects where commit is handed out with ease, and that commit is > never used, at some point it should be reviewed (and this should happen > BEFORE graduation, as a precondition of graduation, not as a trigger > upon

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-13 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Bill, On Feb 13, 2008, at 4:09 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: In projects where commit is handed out with ease, and that commit is never used, at some point it should be reviewed (and this should happen BEFORE graduation, as a precondition of graduation, not as a trigger upon graduation).

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 12 February 2008 02:35, Craig L Russell wrote: The difference is that committers in a TLP have been granted this privilege based on their merit, not just by updating a wiki page saying that they're interested. Actually, if/where this is the case, it is not p

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-13 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 12 February 2008 02:35, Craig L Russell wrote: > The difference is that committers in a TLP have been granted this   > privilege based on their merit, not just by updating a wiki page   > saying that they're interested. Actually, if/where this is the case, it is not proper. I want to on

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-12 Thread Craig L Russell
On Feb 12, 2008, at 3:01 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: On Feb 11, 2008, at 8:59 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: This is almost the exact same issue with a podling; if a user never actually participates, as the project graduates should they remain a committer? The

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-12 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: On Feb 11, 2008, at 8:59 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: This is almost the exact same issue with a podling; if a user never actually participates, as the project graduates should they remain a committer? The difference is that committers in a TLP have been granted thi

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-11 Thread Craig L Russell
On Feb 11, 2008, at 8:59 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Monday 04 February 2008 04:11, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: STM that something along these lines would be a more lightweight but equally effective process. we could ask the PPMC if it's pruned inactive committer

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-11 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Monday 04 February 2008 04:11, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: STM that something along these lines would be a more lightweight but equally effective process. we could ask the PPMC if it's pruned inactive committers from the graudation list. Personally, I don't see a diff

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-10 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 04 February 2008 04:11, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > STM that something along these lines would be a more lightweight but > equally effective process. we could ask the PPMC if it's pruned > inactive committers from the graudation list. Personally, I don't see a difference between inact

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Feb 3, 2008 9:11 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 3, 2008 7:47 PM, Filip at Apache <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...Make it part of the graduation for the contributors in the podling to > > decide if they want to continue or not. the folks who have made the > > po

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Feb 3, 2008 7:47 PM, Filip at Apache <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2008 7:36 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> ...Craig has a good point - maybe that 'pruning' process, to the > >> extent it's appropriate, should happen befor

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-03 Thread Filip at Apache
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Feb 3, 2008 7:36 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...Craig has a good point - maybe that 'pruning' process, to the extent it's appropriate, should happen before they start the actual graduation process? The question is how, and it's something

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-03 Thread Karl Pauls
> > ...Craig has a good point - maybe that 'pruning' process, to the > > extent it's appropriate, should happen before they start the actual > > graduation process? > > > > The question is how, and it's something no established project has > > ever figured out, nevermind our podlings :)... > > Henc

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Feb 3, 2008 7:36 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...Craig has a good point - maybe that 'pruning' process, to the > extent it's appropriate, should happen before they start the actual > graduation process? > > The question is how, and it's something no established project

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-02 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Filip's point - and I tend to agree, is that we have quite a few committers in many podling ideas who never translate into actual contributors. Maybe the idea excited them, but other things caught their attention. Maybe they were an original contributor to the incoming codebase, but over the cou

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-02 Thread Craig L Russell
There are some podlings that are managing themselves well and have no inactive committers. These podlings should not have to undergo an artificial process in order to graduate. Other podlings that have a bunch of inactive committers might find it necessary to go through a pruning process at

Re: [DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-02 Thread Filip at Apache
I'd vote -1, if a project graduates, it does so cause the committer community is healthy and works well together, and all the other factors. I don't see any reason why a community should have to be re-elected. It just doesn't make sense. Graduation out of incubator should not be a popularity con

[DISCUSS] Re-election of podling committers before graduation

2008-02-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, Following up (finally) on the community diversity discussion of last December [1], I propose to re-elect podling committers before a project graduates. If we agree, I'll start a vote to add the following text after the "Graduation Process" title at http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduatio