I think that this is the longest active running [vote] thread on an
apache list of all time...
It was started on Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:49:14 GMT
Noel, can you please tally the votes? :)
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
+1
On 2/21/06, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Please vote on the following:
New mailing lists should be created under the
@incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of
the other project resources, e.g., the web
site and SVN subtree.
> +1
+1
Carsten
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Carsten Ziegeler - Open Sou
+1
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Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Please vote on the following:
>
> New mailing lists should be created under the
> @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of
> the other project resources, e.g., the web
> site and SVN subtree.
+1
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On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:55 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: Excuse me, but don't we have a -1 on this vote thread already? Is the idea to get Dain to change his vote by piling on more +1? Or have I completely missed the Tao of the voting process in Apac
Craig L Russell wrote:
Excuse me, but don't we have a -1 on this vote thread already? Is the
idea to get Dain to change his vote by piling on more +1? Or have I
completely missed the Tao of the voting process in Apache?
I think perhaps you have, and are mixing two concepts...
Any PMC member (
e.
>
> +1 from me.
>
> --- Noel
>
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> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 16:02
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: @domain for Incubator mailing lists
>
>
> There has bee
On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:21 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
I'm still looking for an ISO 2000-able mechanism (repeatable,
documented, understandable) to migrate the email lists in the
incubator domain to the eventual TLP domain without losing threads,
context, etc. I see that Cocoon apparently has
subtree.
+1 from me.
--- Noel
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From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 16:02
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: @domain for Incubator mailing lists
There has been some discussion and confusion over where to put
mailin
On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:21 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
Excuse me, but don't we have a -1 on this vote thread already? Is
the idea to get Dain to change his vote by piling on more +1? Or
have I completely missed the Tao of the voting process in Apache?
I thought that after a -1 the discussion s
Excuse me, but don't we have a -1 on this vote thread already? Is the idea to get Dain to change his vote by piling on more +1? Or have I completely missed the Tao of the voting process in Apache?I thought that after a -1 the discussion started again on the disagreements.I'm still looking for an IS
--- Noel
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 16:02
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: @domain for Incubator mailing lists
>
>
> There has been some discussion and confusion over
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From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 16:02
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: @domain for Incubator mailing lists
There has been some discussion and confusion over where to put
mailing lists
for projects that are in the Incubator
Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
We don't support any of those.
Who's "we"? As a user, I still prefer marc over mail-archives a real lot
and am happy about any Apache project that's available on Marc.
mod_mbox[1] accepts patches. Feel free to help for any part of mod_mbox
or
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Leo Simons wrote:
>
> > Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Changing a mailing list is stil painful "further downstream".
> > Eg with the MARC archive or mail-archive.com or gmane or
> > whatever.
>
> We don't support any of those. We provide the raw and mod_mbox archives,
> and
On 12/20/05, Jochen Wiedmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> > We don't support any of those.
>
> Who's "we"?
The Apache Software Foundation. Those other archives are maintained outside
of the ASF, by people who most likely have no affiliation with the ASF.
Therefore, th
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
We don't support any of those.
Who's "we"? As a user, I still prefer marc over mail-archives a real lot
and am happy about any Apache project that's available on Marc.
But, actually, I replied because your response made me angry. You
(choose between "You" as in "We",
-of-the-blue". I brought this up a few days
ago in the "@domain for Incubator mailing lists" thread to which
there was one completely useless response from Geir "To what end?"
Which you ignored for some reason. Why was it 'useless'? I was
trying to figure
Leo Simons wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Changing a mailing list is stil painful "further downstream".
> Eg with the MARC archive or mail-archive.com or gmane or
> whatever.
We don't support any of those. We provide the raw and mod_mbox archives,
and those are what we support. As you said,
may notice
that both Cliff
and I have some reservations but we're not getting in the way of
making progress.
My proposal is not "out-of-the-blue". I brought this up a few days
ago in the "@domain for Incubator mailing lists" thread to which
there was one comple
-0 for the same reason as Cliff; I'd much rather folks not have to
change mail lists (even if its not hard for infrastructure to
change). There is already a status file so its obvious to anyone who
cares what the status is of a project, I don't see why we need to
force email addresses to re
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 04:19:21PM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> Give me a break.
No. The incubator PMC has "given breaks" before and it let to undesired
side effects so now we're not going to do that anymore.
> I'm not trying to hide anything.
In general, when discussing policy or a general c
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 11:49:14PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Please vote on the following:
>
> New mailing lists should be created under the
> @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of
> the other project resources, e.g., the web
> site and SVN subtree.
+0
(...)
> There has been
On 12/17/05, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please vote on the following:
>
> New mailing lists should be created under the
> @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of
> the other project resources, e.g., the web
> site and SVN subtree.
-0, and here's why:
- I think ident
Give me a break. I'm not trying to hide anything. You have a goal
to make sure that no one is confused about the status of an
incubating project, and you have a proposal that you believe works
for mailing lists. I am suggesting alternate proposal.
If you don't like my proposal, simply st
On Dec 17, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Please vote on the following:
>
> New mailing lists should be created under the
> @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of
> the other project resources, e.g., the web
> site and SVN subtree.
>
-1 (non-binding)
I don't have the im
roject resources, e.g., the web
site and SVN subtree.
From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 16:02
To: general@incubator.apache.org <mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: @domain for Incubator mailing lists
There has been some discussio
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:11:05AM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> BTW would [EMAIL PROTECTED] or activemq-dev-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] be ok, since they contain the word
> incubate?
>
Nope - it still seems like you're trying to hide that a project is under
incubation. Keeping projects under incubat
Hi,-0 (non-binding)Not to throw a monkey wrench into this, but:Are we really sure that it's that easy changing an email alias at graduation time? Unlike svn repos that only a few folks use, mailing lists are widespread. Have you thought about exactly how to transition from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 16:02
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: @domain for Incubator mailing lists
There has been some discussion and confusion over where to put
mailing lists
for projects that are in the Incubator. As the person who argued
for the
current approach, which had
On 18.12.2005, at 05:49, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Please vote on the following:
New mailing lists should be created under the
@incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of
the other project resources, e.g., the web
site and SVN subtree.
+1.
Cheers,
Erik
smime.p7s
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On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 23:49 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Please vote on the following:
>
> New mailing lists should be created under the
> @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of
> the other project resources, e.g., the web
> site and SVN subtree.
>
> +1 from me.
+1.
Sanjiva.
Noel Bergman wrote:
> Please vote on the following:
>
> New mailing lists should be created under the
> @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of
> the other project resources, e.g., the web
> site and SVN subtree.
+1 from me.
-David
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On Dec 17, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Please vote on the following:
New mailing lists should be created under the
@incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of
the other project resources, e.g., the web
site and SVN subtree.
+1 from me.
+1
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resources, e.g., the web
site and SVN subtree.
+1 from me.
--- Noel
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From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 16:02
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: @domain for Incubator mailing lists
There has been some discussion
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 11:49:14PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Please vote on the following:
>
> New mailing lists should be created under the
> @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of
> the other project resources, e.g., the web
> site and SVN subtree.
>
Absolutely - it is very
subtree.
>
> +1 from me.
>
> --- Noel
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 16:02
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: @domain for Incubator mailing lists
>
>
> There has bee
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 16:02
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: @domain for Incubator mailing lists
There has been some discussion and confusion over where to put mailing lists
for projects that are in the Incubator. As the person who argued for the
current approach, which had
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> My personal preference is to have incubated sub-projects use mailing
> lists and websites within the TLP containing a notice header that the
> project is under incubation
The inclusion of a footer, perhaps an abbreviated form of the disclaimer
with a URL to the full one, s
On Dec 16, 2005, at 5:35 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
My personal preference is to have incubated sub-projects use
mailing lists and websites within the TLP containing a notice
header that the project is under incubation (and may die). My
understanding is that you feel having the email addre
My personal preference is to have incubated sub-projects use mailing
lists and websites within the TLP containing a notice header that the
project is under incubation (and may die). My understanding is that
you feel having the email address containing the word "incubator"
will warn users,
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
since it's so easy to move them, should we move the latest projects
coming into incubator to @incubator?
If the list is relatively new, then yes.
It would seem silly to do this to a project that's been around 6 mos+
and is nearing graduation (or the -other- alternati
since it's so easy to move them, should we move the latest projects
coming into incubator to @incubator?
geir
On Dec 16, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
There has been some discussion and confusion over where to put
mailing lists
for projects that are in the Incubator. As the pers
There has been some discussion and confusion over where to put mailing lists
for projects that are in the Incubator. As the person who argued for the
current approach, which had to do with infrastructure issues, I'm also going
to suggest that it change. We are finding that it is more and more
imp
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