I think we have had projects "leave", back in the day, before we were
structured like this. But thinking about a example, maybe they were
sub-projects.
It's worth noting that anyone is free to fork an Apache licenced project at
any time, so there is some protection should the founders which to lea
+1
If we trust mentors to ensure that their podling does the right thing as a
board committee this basically *is* a TLP and we wouldn't need an IPMC, but
if podlings need an IPMC then that must be because we allow for the
podlings to make missteps without bringing down the hammer.
Seems to me that
We've been using log4php during development work, taking the next step
on the road to production obviously depends upon the stability and
future of the project.
I'm reasonably comfortable with the way things work @apache, my
question is really whether any of you think its more likely to fizzle
out
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Santiago Gala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I remember correctly, the policy was not to impose subversion, but to
> mandate end of life for CVS. If I remember correctly, this was due to
> security concerns, CVS requiring user accounts in the machine where the
On 5/14/07, Martin Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi, just wanted to keep this thread alive as it has been almost a
month and we are still a mentor short.
I just saw this, I'd be happy to serve if needed, FWIW I work in
Glasgow so I have some degree of geographical proximity with the QPid
g
Craig,
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On 5/14/07, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Now I'm confused. Could someone put some alias names to these
concepts? I thought we were talking about -dev and -
user. What aliases are others referring to?
Thanks,
Craig
On May 14,
On 5/2/07, Garrett Rooney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do other projects have a good way to track this? I know we could pull
> the logs for the p.a.o webserver and grep through them looking for
> things, but I'm wondering if there's something we can put on our
> download page that users would cl
Hi Jim,
I'd like to encourage you to avoid picking anything that is already a
proper name, in other words an existing name which is normally
capitalised in western languages.
Using names which are already associated with people, places, events
or cultures is never likely to be universally accepta
Hi,
I think the time might be right to provoke a dispassionate discussion
about our use of proper names for project names.
I'd like to start by suggesting the following for discussion;
That there be a new category of minimum exit requirements named
somthing like "Ethical considerations" and tha
On 17/08/06, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think a key question in the "how" category is how to make IRC (or IM
in general) discussions easily accessible to people "who weren't
there"
... or who cannot be "there".
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See my reply to your last post, conversations are OK, but discussions
resulting in proposals can quickly deteriorate into a short circuit
which excludes other participants from the real process, which isn't
about making a boolean decision but about reaching an informed
consensus.
On 15/08/06, Jan
On 15/08/06, Jan Blok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
What could be the problem of any real-time communication medium usage
between some community members as long as every one agrees code and
design decisions are made on the mailing list?
Because the discussion which results in the proposal is
On 15/08/06, Ian Holsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Obvioulsy we aren't going to agree about this, which is fine, but I'd
still like to pick up on a couple of points that you raised;
we are talking about stopping people using what they are comfortable
with just
because we have a few people who
On 15/08/06, Ian Holsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't think we (the ASF) need to support the weakest link of the
chain either. if a member
can't access a project due to limitations of corporate policy or
timezone, we should be OK with that too.
not every member has to be able to participat
I'd like to add my support to those who, far more eloquently than I
could have done, have explained why IRC cannot be an inclusive or
truly public forum for discussion.
I have always taken the view that email is an essential characteristic
of the way the ASF works, and it is precisely because it
On 08/08/06, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The latest example is all the debate surrounding whether or not the
"glasgow" name is appropriate. Up until about a week or two ago, it
certainly was accepted practice (just look around), and now 'suddenly'
there's messiness. Its ok if opinions
On 04/08/06, Larry Cable <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If "Apache" is acceptable for the name of this organization then
I see no reason to waste anyone else's time on a rather pointless debate
regarding the appropriateness of naming this project 'Glasgow' or not.
I don't believe that it is. I cer
t the Seat Ibiza?
Do you boycott Penguin biscuits [a brand of biscuits in the UK] becuse you
think it "exploits" penguins?
Robert
Resident of Glasgow
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Archit,
I'm very happy to here you say so, I certainly don't want to affect
your progress through the incubator, in many ways I've unfairly sigled
you out as an example of a prectice I feel strongly about.
Unfortunately I will be away, offline, for the next four days, but if
it is still relevant
http://www.glasgowsoftware.co.uk/
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On 04/08/06, Gordon Sim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Danny Angus wrote:
> I think it is about time that we grew up and introduced a rule which
> prevents words already used as proper nouns from being proposed as
> project names unless there is some real and relevant on-topic
> c
On 30/07/06, Cliff Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Does anyone have any further concerns about this proposal?
Cliff, yes I do.
As you may have seen from previous posts I've only just been catching
up with this.
My concern is that it is not appropriate for the incubator to continue
to condon
On 28/07/06, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It does seem pretty strange to be naming software after a city, though.
Apache Tokyo, anyone? Apache New York?
I agree, it is ludicrous.
Why is the incubator so fixated on misappropriating proper names?
But if you have to pick a Scottis
On 04/08/06, Garrett Rooney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Note that these reasons would have been obvious if the discussion on
what to change the name to had happened in public...
Quite.
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Hi everybody,
I don't have a binding vote here, but..
-1
I strongly object to the name, in some sense I object to this name
because it is also the name of the city in which I work, and
conversations about "Glasgow" will be a bit wierd.
But very much more importantly I would also like to public
Thanks to all who stepped up.
I'll see you there then. :-)
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Hi,
I'm currently talking to some folks who have an XML based product
which allows an XML schema marked up with additional attributes to
generate a whole b2b web application.
You can see some details here: http://164.36.45.6/fox/
They're keen to move this into open-source and I was wondering if
Hi Matt,
> My company is interested in donating a project to the Apache
>Foundation. Specifically, we have created an updated HTML editor kit
A swing Editor Kit? Cool.
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> Geronimo was an Apache was he not? So it definitley seems odd that we
> can name our whole organization after the people of Geronimo but not
> Geronimo himself (yes, I know the name came from "a patchy server, but
> that's not obvious to anyone most of the time).
I understand that Andy Oliv
Stephhen,
"At the end of the day we need to address the issue of wht rights the
Incubator PMC has to endorce the publication of an artifact generated by
a project prior to the exit of said project from the incubator.
Publication by a Sponoring Entiry is a different subject - but
publication
Stephen,
While you say "Ok - going with Apache tradition - its not the PMC that
makes the
decision of a *release*. Its the committers in the incubator (who
basically represent a bunch of rather non-incubator interest groups). "
In fact while that represents the Jakarta tradition I think it
Craig wrote:
>Off the top of my head ... advantages include:
IMO you missed out "Your own PMC and charter" These two things represent a
quantum difference in the management of a TLP c.f a jakarta sub-project, as
the bring with them the ability (within the restrictions of "The Apache
Way"
Hi,
Is there a contributors licence which can be signed by an employer on
behalf of a commiter who's IP is generally assigned to their employer?
I have an agreement with my employer, but would much rather that they made
the agreement with the ASF
> What about "morgue".
The things may be dead, but the living still want to poke them about a bit
before they are finally buried.. or perhaps brought back to life again in
the "return-of-the-living-dead.apache.org" project.
;-)
d.
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Jochen, you wrote:
> Quoting Greg Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > However, open process is at least as important as open software.
>
> Agreed. But the ASF has just given a bad example on this (IMO).
> Following the discussions on Geronimo in the last days, my
> impression is that a lot of dec
> More on how close Sun/ASF are:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg07802.html
I think ASF and Sun voting the same way when the choice is Yes or No, is
pretty poor evidenc of a conspiracy.
What would you be saying if ASF and IBM had voted No, found a conspiracy
where IBM and ASF we
> What I would like to see for a
> future release of
> Geronimo is an E-Mail Message Bean container. That is, a Message
> Bean that can
> process incoming e-mails.
We already have the Mailet API see: http://james.apache.org I'd be more
interested in adapting this, and implementing a mailet conta
> Sun is on the ASF board I think?
Apparently not:
Current officers of The Apache Software Foundation:
Chairman Greg Stein
President Dirk-Willem van Gulik
Treasurer Chuck Murcko
Exec. V.P. and Secretary Jim Jagielski
V.P., Apache Ant Conor MacNeill
V.P., Apache Avalon Berin Loritsch
V.P.
> Why must people's egos get in the way of common sense in our business as
> in so many? Like Microsoft, it appears that Apache.org just wants to
> control everything - and that's just such a lamentable motivation,
> whether held by Microsoft or Apache.org.
Actually it appears to me that Apache
ginal Message-
> From: Richard Monson-Haefel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 07 August 2003 10:16
> To: Danny Angus
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [geronimo] Me, James and javaMail
>
>
> I just took a quick look at James. Nice job. I think the Mailet API is an
>
> Isn't Geronimo something you yell when you jump out of a
> plane?
By which token Banzai! would also be politically incorrect.. ;-)
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I'd like to propose
KARAKATOA
as an alternative name, for those who don't know it's a volcano, in
Indonesia.
If that's taken, which I suspect it may be, then how about something with no
clever relationship to anything at all, like
TwentyOne,
or Charm,
or Furnace
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Hi,
Probably biting off more than I can chew here, I'm currently as busy as the
day is long :-(, but I'd be happy to look at implementing javaMail for
Geronimo.
For those who don't know who the hell I am (or what I'm taking about) I'm a
James developer, and James is Apache's 100% Java mailserver.
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