Craig wrote: >Off the top of my head ... advantages include: IMO you missed out "Your own PMC and charter" These two things represent a quantum difference in the management of a TLP c.f a jakarta sub-project, as the bring with them the ability (within the restrictions of "The Apache Way" and your charter) to define the scope and activity of the project, its goals and procedures. You also say: "Overall, I suspect the lack of a stampede towards TLP-hood has more to do with lack of knowledge of the advantages, or indifference towards them, and possibly fear that even mature subprojects that want to graduate will have to undergo the incubation process :-), than it does anything else." My experience with James was that we felt generally uncomfortable under Jakarta, no grudges or anything like that but it seemed as if James no longer fitted well with the de-facto web orientation of Jakarta. Even admiting this it was still a leap into the unknown and bit of guesswork and faith to become our own TLP. I think Jakarta PMC or Incubator people could do a lot to encourage Jakarta sub-projects by simply publishing a bulleted list of the steps you have to take (yes I know, I should do it myself) and the responsibilities you have after elevation. So that anyone who wants to consider their future can find this out without having to declare an interest on a mailing list. The public nature of lists and the endless mis-interpretation of motives and personalities that goes on here often make it difficult to discuss the general case without having people infer the specific. It might also benefit people to hear of our (James') experience: We had a mature sub-project, with an easily defined scope, a small commiter base and a need to change, we wanted to have the ability to extend the project and possibly to host sub-projects, and we wanted James to be presented and concieved as complete and mature product. We adopted our procedures initially from Jakarta and have only changed them (by refrence not by value!) as far the trend towards ASF wide definitions of common procedures has allowed. The infrastructure changes weren't onerus, and the PMC mailing list now has nearly zero traffic. Interest in our project has being building, from a pretty stable level, steadily ever since. We're now attracting the attention of people who are first and foremost specifically interested in what we are producing and not, as before, only those who had managed to find James lurking in Jakarta. Several people have described James as a well kept secret, TLP status for James means that we can address this and "build brand awareness" amongst contributors, users and the ASF alike. d. *************************************************************************** The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on 0141 306 2050 and delete the message from your computer. You may not copy or forward it or use or disclose its contents to any other person. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption Student Loans Company Limited does not accept any responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on advice or opinions contained in an e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. Neither Student Loans Company Limited or the sender accepts any liability or responsibility for viruses as it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). Opinions and views expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender and may not reflect the opinions and views of The Student Loans Company Limited. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************** --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
