On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 10:05 PM Craig Russell wrote:
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>
> I will again raise the question of why the mentors failed to vote on the
> release. I'd like to make it a stronger suggestion that Mentors SHOULD vote
> on releases prior to sending the release vote to the IPMC.
>
For the record, we hav
On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 7:49 AM Adrian Cole wrote:
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> I'm excited about netbeans becoming an apache TLP, and also interested
> in learning if there are things in that process (beyond the photo
> snatching) other podlings like the one I am should be careful of.
>
Here it is:
https://foss-backst
Hi Dave,
What should a podling put here? I notice a few things:
- you changed the start date from Feb 25 (date of the vote passing) to
March 25 (date of the commit)
- reporting group is left as 2
- the first monthly report is May, two months after the new incubation
start month
I don't know e
The images have been deleted. The sample containing them has been deleted.
Of the millions of lines of code in Apache NetBeans, the deleted sample is
so completely unimportant that it is impossible to express its
unimportance. There isn’t even a metaphor I can think of to illustrate
this. Thanks, l
It appears a jira issue was updated about the cat photo IP and what to
do about it. My 2p is park the cat thing there, give it a chance to
proceed, and let's move on.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1820?focusedCommentId=16805839&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%
I agree please email the author of the cat photo or find another cat.
This topic is boring and probably there are actual important things we
are defocused from when focusing so massively on this photo.
On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 10:51 AM Davor Bonaci wrote:
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> The issue at hand is simply called the
The issue at hand is simply called theft, and everyone (both inside and
outside the community) is most welcome to point it out and ask for it to be
fixed. We thank those individuals who point it out, whether in IPMC or
otherwise, and look for ways to address it as soon as possible.
Fixing this iss
Thanks so much Justin and for your involvement.
Wade
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 17:21 Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Changing my vote to:
> +1 (binding)
>
> And I’m sorry for any upset my first vote caused.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
> -
Hi Ted,
> On Mar 30, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
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> On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:57 PM Craig Russell wrote:
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>>
>>> copyright issues on the cute cat and rabbit photos [1] probably mean
>> that they cannot put that release in the ASF distribution area even if they
>> do get 3 +1s w
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:57 PM Craig Russell wrote:
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> > copyright issues on the cute cat and rabbit photos [1] probably mean
> that they cannot put that release in the ASF distribution area even if they
> do get 3 +1s without legal and infra approval.
>
> We have to look at risk here. Is
Hi,
Changing my vote to:
+1 (binding)
And I’m sorry for any upset my first vote caused.
Thanks,
Justin
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It appears to me that there has been some miscommunication and/or missing
documentation of the issues raised earlier.
In case it needs to be said, if the PPMC and Justin can come to an agreement,
there is no need for another build and vote.
I'd encourage the Mentors to engage with Justin to re
Hi,
I think it was a bit hasty to cancel this vote, after as I said, a -1 vote is
not a veto and people can change their minds and revote. If you wan to ignore
the cancel vote please go ahead and do so.
Thanks,
Justin
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To unsu
Hi Justin,
> On Mar 30, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Justin Mclean wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>>> copyright issues on the cute cat and rabbit photos [1] probably mean that
>>> they cannot put that release in the ASF distribution area even if they do
>>> get 3 +1s without legal and infra approval.
>>
>> We have t
Hi,
>> copyright issues on the cute cat and rabbit photos [1] probably mean that
>> they cannot put that release in the ASF distribution area even if they do
>> get 3 +1s without legal and infra approval.
>
> We have to look at risk here. Is there a risk that the owner of the images is
> going
+1 (binding IPMC) to release
Downloaded release artifacts
Imported KEYS
Verified signatures and checksums
Reviewed rat exclusion list
I still want to see the cat and rabbit image resolved
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1820 before the next release
Craig
P.S.
I will again raise
Hi,
> We need to have clarity on what exactly we need to work on in relation to
> licensing -- we are definitely not going to license data files because (a)
> Apache does not require it and (2) it would break our tests, which is why
> Apache does not require it. That's the bulk of the issues raise
Hi Justin,
> On Mar 29, 2019, at 7:24 PM, Justin Mclean wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> The Netbeans RC is an interesting one as they:
> - Have made several releases before.
> - Have been given advice from the IPMC on serious issues and what to fix.
> - Looks like nothing has been done to correct those iss
Hi,
> Your are right to call me or on do it or get out, if I choose to champion or
> mentor another project here I will do it within that project. That is, as a
> mentor /champion I will ensure the project did not need the IPMC to vote and
> this this whole discussion would not be necessary, fo
Hi,
> +1. Indeed, this "looks like nothing has been done to correct these issues"
> is false, insulting, and misleading.
I'm sorry about that, I looked at the release and saw no changes from the last
review and wrongly assumed that previous feedback had not been discussed. I
should have looked
Hi -
> On Mar 30, 2019, at 12:01 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
> wrote:
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> +1 Thanks for these sensible words and probably what comes closest to what
> you're looking for is the Rat exclusions file, i.e., these are the
> deviations in terms of licensing in relation to what most people expect
> from Ap
+1 Thanks for these sensible words and probably what comes closest to what
you're looking for is the Rat exclusions file, i.e., these are the
deviations in terms of licensing in relation to what most people expect
from Apache projects and why things are fine despite that:
https://github.com/apache
Personally, I’d appreciate it if everyone involved in this discussion decided
that all parties are equally correct and expanded the scope of what they were
paying attention to so as to dissolve any apparent contradictions.
All i know about this situation I’ve learned from this thread, but, for e
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 6:26 PM Wade Chandler
wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 22:34 Justin Mclean
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The Netbeans RC is an interesting one as they:
> > - Have made several releases before.
> > - Have been given advice from the IPMC on serious issues and what to fix.
> > -
Hi -
Clearly NetBeans is an exceptional project. That’s clearly the case from their
676 releases on dist.a.o. Most all of these are NBM binaries.
See https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/netbeans.html
I’d like to wait for their mentors to explain the situation so that we can
properly *facilitat
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 22:34 Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Netbeans RC is an interesting one as they:
> - Have made several releases before.
> - Have been given advice from the IPMC on serious issues and what to fix.
> - Looks like nothing has been done to correct those issues.
>
> Now I kno
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 13:03 Ross Gardler wrote:
> Opinions were asked for. I gave mine.
>
> I have tried to do it before and been squashed repeatedly because my
> opinion is not broadly supported. I should not have said board must as it
> has been brought here recently and did not find support.
>
Opinions were asked for. I gave mine.
I have tried to do it before and been squashed repeatedly because my opinion is
not broadly supported. I should not have said board must as it has been brought
here recently and did not find support.
I don't a agree that the proposal for the IPMC to be faci
And here is the list of items specifically how we dealt with each from
Justin's previous list of comments with the +1 from the 10.0 IPMC vote
thread, in other words, we have taken his issues and concerns seriously and
discussed them and dealt with them:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/
We need to have clarity on what exactly we need to work on in relation to
licensing -- we are definitely not going to license data files because (a)
Apache does not require it and (2) it would break our tests, which is why
Apache does not require it. That's the bulk of the issues raised by Justin.
On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 10:58, sebb wrote:
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> On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 10:49, Bertrand Delacretaz
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:47 AM sebb wrote:
> > > ...I've committed an example page to show the difference:
> > > QpidProposal_body.html ...
> >
> > Looks easy enough to parse, savin
Dear all,
It seems we need to have some heavy lifting on the licensing side, so I'm
canceling this vote.
Laszlo Kishalmi
Volunteer Release Manager of Apache NetBeans 11.0
I’m fine with retreating and getting the work done that needs to be done.
However, before retreating we need to know exactly and specifically what we
are agreed on that we are going to do. E.g., we are not going to license
heaps of files that are data and that Apache explicitly for that reason
allo
Thank you Justin, for the really in-depth analysis!
I'm traveling right now with very limited internet access.
I think, regarding that we are about to graduate soon, we need to
address these concerns. Retreat, and get that work done.
I'm going to call off the vote.
A prompt action plan:
1.
+1
Best regards
Krzysztof
On 30.03.2019 03:12, Justin Mclean wrote:
Hi,
+1 binding
I checked (in all 3 artefacts)
- incubating in name
- signatures and hashes match
- LICENSE and NOTICE files good
- DISCLAIMER exists
- ASF source files do not have the correct ASF header
- No unexpected bina
Sure, but this image thing is trivial, we should simply remove those and we
don’t care about the sample that contains them anyway. Also, again, note
that we had not ignored or dismissed your comments from the previous
release.
So, to your question whether we have a Rat report, we do have one as
po
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 9:11 AM Ross Gardler wrote:
> As for not enough votes i refer you to Roy's suggestion on board@.
> Essentially votes don't need to be from IPMC members.
>
Hey Ross,
A.) That was a suggestion and not a statement about how the incubator
currently operates. If you want to
HI,
> Note also that we have worked on the items that you mentioned in the
> previous release, e.g.:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1820
>
> But if you disagree with the above, no prob, we can simply delete those
> images or replace them with something or remove the whole sam
Hi Justin,
Note also that we have worked on the items that you mentioned in the
previous release, e.g.:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1820
But if you disagree with the above, no prob, we can simply delete those
images or replace them with something or remove the whole sample --
Hi Justin,
Note also that we have worked on the items that you mentioned in the
previous release, e.g.:
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 8:24 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> We have spent a lot of time on that, documenting them in detail:
>
>
> https://github.com/apache
For 2, yes I'm saying exactly that. It's long been an expectation in apache
that a -1 be accompanied by a willingness to help fix the problem. There are a
few exceptions, such as releases. That's why I have #1 of something is not
approved by legal and infra then a -1 reflects that. If the -1 is
We have spent a lot of time on that, documenting them in detail:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/master/nbbuild/rat-exclusions.txt
Gj
On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 08:16, Justin Mclean
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> >
> https://builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-release/404/artifact/rat-rel
Hi,
> https://builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-release/404/artifact/rat-release-temp/nbbuild/build/rat-report.txt
You may want to check that your rat excursions are not ignoring too much, that
can be a common problem.
Thanks,
Justin
--
https://builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-release/404/artifact/rat-release-temp/nbbuild/build/rat-report.txt
Gj
On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 07:58, Justin Mclean
wrote:
> HI,
>
> > I assume we are taking about files like:
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/master/java/java
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