Hi -

Clearly NetBeans is an exceptional project. That’s clearly the case from their 
676 releases on dist.a.o. Most all of these are NBM binaries.

See https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/netbeans.html

I’d like to wait for their mentors to explain the situation so that we can 
properly *facilitate* its progress towards becoming a TLP.

> On Mar 30, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Ross Gardler <rgard...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Opinions were asked for. I gave mine.
> 
> I have tried to do it before and been squashed repeatedly because my opinion 
> is not broadly supported. I should not have said board must as it has been 
> brought here recently and did not find support.
> 
> I don't a agree that the proposal for the IPMC to be facilitators rather than 
> gatekeepers is a suggestion. It's what the IPMC was set up to be. It's not 
> what it is, but it's what it was intended to be (and was for quite some time).

What can we do to get back to that?

I’ve rebuilt the clutch process. I plan to discuss next steps in that and the 
topic will be status record keeping.

> 
> Your are right to call me or on do it or get out, if I choose to champion or 
> mentor another project here I will do it within that project. That is, as a 
> mentor /champion I will ensure the project did not need the IPMC to vote and 
> this this whole discussion would not be necessary, for that project.
> 
> My actions will match my recommendations.
> 
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> 
> 
> From: Myrle Krantz
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 3:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Voting on releases with serious unaddressed issues
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 9:11 AM Ross Gardler <rgard...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> As for not enough votes i refer you to Roy's suggestion on board@.
>> Essentially votes don't need to be from IPMC members.
>> 
> 
> Hey Ross,
> 
> A.) That was a suggestion and not a statement about how the incubator
> currently operates.  If you want to change the way the incubator currently
> operates, please put it up for discussion.  Preferably on a public list.
> B.) While the person you're replying to can see Roy's suggestion, not
> everyone on this list can.  Not even all of the IPMC members can in fact.
> If you want to make a suggestion to the way we work in the incubator,
> please include both the suggested change AND the arguments where they can
> be seen by the IPMC.  Who the idea or the arguments are originally from
> isn't directly relevant to the merits of the proposal, but in general I
> wouldn't appeal to Roy's authority here, since he hasn't, to my knowledge,
> given permission to put his words in public.

I thought Roy did, but my recollection could be wrong.

Way!

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Best Regards,
> Myrle
> 
> 


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