Chris,
As I feel like I've explained 100 times, all of the following are true:
1) I disagree with your proposal
2) I agree with much of your analyses of problems with the IPMC
3) I I trying to do a job of consensus moderation as best I understand
how, being fair to you and to all the involuntary
-Original Message-
From: Joseph Schaefer
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Date: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:24 AM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
>I firmly believe our priority in mentoring podlings is to i
I've added a description line to the ANNOUNCE sample email:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CURATOR/Example+Emails
-Jordan
On May 11, 2013, at 1:00 AM, sebb wrote:
> Congrats.
>
> However, what is Curator?
>
> The mail does not say anything about it.
>
> Please ensure that any a
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>
>> If you think it's clear in either direction, call a VOTE. I think that's
>> the only demonstrable way to suggest what's clear and what's not.
>
> Please see several emails from Greg and others on the board@ list
> recently pointing out
Alan keeps asking that we isolate the problems that need solving.
Sounds sensible. For me the IPMC usually works just fine. Occasionally
there is a failure in mentoring and occasionally the IPMC fails to pick
this up and address it.
In addition, sometimes the IPMC is an inefficient vehicle for hel
-Original Message-
From: Benson Margulies
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Date: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:56 AM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
>>
>> If you think it's clear in either direction, call a V
Hi Alan,
-Original Message-
From: Alan Cabrera
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Date: Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:01 AM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
[..snip..]
>
>> and more weakness
>> in _supervising_
>
> If you think it's clear in either direction, call a VOTE. I think that's
> the only demonstrable way to suggest what's clear and what's not.
Please see several emails from Greg and others on the board@ list
recently pointing out the inappropriateness of overuse of votes.
If even *one* person
Benson,
-Original Message-
From: Benson Margulies
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Date: Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:44 AM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
>[..snip..]
>One possible path is that, at some po
I firmly believe our priority in mentoring podlings is to instill
self-governance as early as is feasible, and the proven way to accomplish that
task is to identify suitable members of the podling and elect them to the IPMC
so they are fully empowered to do it. Every other approach is suboptima
On May 11, 2013, at 11:03 AM, "Dennis E. Hamilton"
wrote:
> It's often called a dead-man's switch. I think the term applied originally
> to locomotive engineers and also metro car drivers. (I'm not sure what a
> dead pilot switch could accomplish in an aircraft.)
>
> I think having mentors
It's often called a dead-man's switch. I think the term applied originally to
locomotive engineers and also metro car drivers. (I'm not sure what a dead
pilot switch could accomplish in an aircraft.)
I think having mentors review and "sign" PPMC status reports is an effective
dead mentor's sw
On May 11, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Joseph Schaefer wrote:
> Frankly I find the notion that the board will do a better job of MENTORING
> these projects than the IPMC to be batshit insane, but that's just me.
> We need manpower, and there is plenty of that available amongst the competent
> volunteers w
On May 11, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> Violating my 24 hour rule just this one, and worse yet to repeat myself:
IMO, I think this is fine so long as it occurs on the weekend. :)
> +1 Joe, Ross, etc.
>
> I rather regret mentioning the direct launch alternative in my most
> rec
On May 11, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> A real experiment with 'probationary projects' would have to model the
> entire process of a new project launching with _no IPMC_ to
> participate in any way.
Can you explain what problem launching new projects with _no IPMC_ to
participa
Violating my 24 hour rule just this one, and worse yet to repeat myself:
+1 Joe, Ross, etc.
I rather regret mentioning the direct launch alternative in my most
recent email. We have some weakness in _mentoring_, and more weakness
in _supervising_ (or at least in documenting supervision). We have
On May 11, 2013, at 7:26 AM, ant elder wrote:
> I also agree that there isn't consensus in the Incubator PMC to do
> this, but I'm not sure we need it.
Lovely.
Regards,
Alan
It's not just you Joe.
Sent from my Windows Phone From: Joseph Schaefer
Sent: 11/05/2013 15:34
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
Frankly I find the notion that the board will do a better job of MENTORING
these projects than the
It's not just you Joe.
From: Joseph Schaefer
Sent: 11/05/2013 15:34
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
Frankly I find the notion that the board will do a better job of MENTORING
these projects than the IPMC to be batshit insane,
Frankly I find the notion that the board will do a better job of MENTORING
these projects than the IPMC to be batshit insane, but that's just me.
We need manpower, and there is plenty of that available amongst the competent
volunteers who actively participate in these projects. Let's just do
what'
Actually I wasn't thinking it would be you Benson who talked to the
board. There are several directors here including a couple on this
thread who've said they support trying this so i thought they could
bring it up informally at the upcoming meeting just to get us an idea
if this is something the b
I'm not going to ask the May board meeting anything. There's no
consensus of this community on 'probationary projects', and, more to
the point, there are a host of details required to make that a viable
proposal and no one has filled them in. As I wrote in the report, I
plan to have a discussion wi
Daniel Shahaf wrote on Sat, May 11, 2013 at 13:43:37 +0300:
> Alan Cabrera wrote on Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:58:24 -0700:
> > The first thing that I'm writing is a command that will print out who
> > is the owner of an email alias and what projects they belong to and if
> > they are ASF members. Th
Alan Cabrera wrote on Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:58:24 -0700:
> The first thing that I'm writing is a command that will print out who
> is the owner of an email alias and what projects they belong to and if
> they are ASF members. This will help me vet subscription requests
> since people rarely use
Congrats.
However, what is Curator?
The mail does not say anything about it.
Please ensure that any announcement e-mails about Curator include a
brief description of what it is.
On 10 May 2013 17:47, Jordan Zimmerman wrote:
> Hello,
>
> The Apache Curator team is pleased to announce the relea
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