While inconclusive, based on the discussion I've restored the LICENSE
file at the top of our svn trunk. Please refrain yourself from further
comments regarding the LICENSE file in this thread, this is a vote (my
fault; I know I should have kept my mouth shut).
Kalle
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:03
Gavin,
Thank you for all your help on Wookie to date. The kinds of
contributions you have made (helping ensure that licence headers etc.
are clear) are exactly the kind of contributions that are needed.
You leave a legacy that will ensure that our release (when it comes
about) will be more l
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> Agreed, but I will claim that my proposal has worked successfully for httpd,
> so it's not coming out of the clear blue sky. Perhaps you're onto something,
> that diversifying the podling incubation process so we can pick "the right
> fit"
>
Hi All,
I am a passive Mentor, one that jumps in and says or does something when and
if required.
I've sorted a fair few license header issues with RAT here at Wookie, some
are still to be resolved btw,
but otherwise their hasn't been much for me to do.
I had a more hands on role where needed fo
- Original Message
> From: Ross Gardler
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 7:51:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Radical revamp
>
> On 17/08/2010 17:45, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> > I do
> > question the idea that just having 3 Members on the project and leaving
them
> > t
Boy is that rare for someone to express appreciation
for being corrected.
You're definitely welcome!
- Original Message
> From: Emmanuel Lecharny
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 7:52:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Shiro graduation as TLP
>
> On 8/18
On 17/08/2010 17:45, Joe Schaefer wrote:
I do
question the idea that just having 3 Members on the project and leaving them
to their own devices will actually work well for the majority of our podlings.
I don't think anyone is claiming it is right for the *majority* of
podlings. Just *some* pod
On 8/18/10 1:15 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
In other word, the release *is* the SVN revision that has been voted.
Bzzt. The release package may contain files not found in svn. See httpd
releases for examples. That is why the document you referenced avoids
discussion of svn; it's the actual tarbal
On 17/08/2010 17:35, Carl Trieloff wrote:
To this question, (what will make this model succeed or fail) I find
myself not coming
to defensible answers... I would love to see thoughts of others on this
question.
The thread implies it comes down to the 3+ members on the project.
It's not that s
On 17/08/2010 16:39, Joe Schaefer wrote:
- Original Message
From: Ross Gardler
...
What I've been trying to explain here with my "experiment" is that
the best way to teach people about the Apache Way is to let them
experience it for themselves.
+1
We don't actually do that here
FWIW Greg once complained about infra's use of machine names
in our board reports as being a bit too cloistered for the
board to follow coherently. To address this we added
parentheticals that associated more common service names
to the first usage of any hostname and so far the board has
found tha
Greg Stein wrote on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 14:26:24 -0400:
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 14:03, Craig L Russell
> wrote:
> > I don't care what you call them in the project. I'm asking that you use
> > Apache terminology when discussing things among the wider Apache community.
@Craig, thanks for clarif
On 8/18/10 1:03 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
Yes, the name changes were difficult to deal with, ...
It was very interesting that the team didn't exploded after such an
unpleasant experience !
But consider that it could have been much worse : what if you have
picked 'Dalvik' for the project name
- Original Message
> From: Emmanuel Lecharny
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 7:09:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Shiro graduation as TLP
>
> On 8/18/10 12:24 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> >
> > I'm with Stefano there: I do contest the view that svn is
On 8/18/10 12:24 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
I'm with Stefano there: I do contest the view that svn is the
release,
You can contest, but the fact is that a release is just a revision in
the SVN trunk, not a package you deliver, AFAIU. I suggest that you read
carefully this : http://www.apache.o
+1.
- Original Message
> From: Gav...
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 4:28:04 PM
> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Apache Shiro graduation as TLP
>
> [X] +1 - Recommend graduation of Apache Shiro as a TLP
>
> Nice work.
>
> Gav...
>
>
> > -Original Message
On Aug 17, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:09 PM, David Jencks wrote:
>> Dunno if it's exactly documentation but see this from Roy Fielding
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-26?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpa
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Kevan Miller wrote:
>> * Les Hazlewood (lhazlew...@apache.org)
>> * Kalle Korhonen (kao...@apache.org)
>> * Peter Ledbrook (pledbr...@apache.org)
>> * Jeremy Haile (jha...@apache.org)
>> * Craig L Russell (craig.russ...@oracle.com)
>
> Th
On Aug 17, 2010, at 5:09 PM, David Jencks wrote:
> Dunno if it's exactly documentation but see this from Roy Fielding
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-26?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12732740#action_12732740
>
> Based on
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:09 PM, David Jencks wrote:
> Dunno if it's exactly documentation but see this from Roy Fielding
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-26?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12732740#action_12732740
> Based on
On 8/17/10 8:23 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
+1
You have worked hard to get to this point, having survived the release
process, two name changes, and community building exercises.
You also have my +1. It was a long graduation, but at the end, the team
get The Apache way large and long. Go !
Dunno if it's exactly documentation but see this from Roy Fielding
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-26?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12732740#action_12732740
Based on this I've been advising projects to put the apache LICENSE
[X] +1 - Recommend graduation of Apache Shiro as a TLP
Nice work.
Gav...
> -Original Message-
> From: Martijn Dashorst [mailto:martijn.dasho...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2010 5:13 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Shiro graduation as TLP
>
I fully second this sentiment. +1 and godspeed as a TLP!
Martijn
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Craig L Russell
wrote:
> +1
>
> You have worked hard to get to this point, having survived the release
> process, two name changes, and community building exercises.
>
> I have no reservations about
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 14:03, Craig L Russell wrote:
>...
>> Craig L Russell wrote on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:42:18 -0700:
>...
> I don't care what you call them in the project. I'm asking that you use
> Apache terminology when discussing things among the wider Apache community.
The report is co
+1
You have worked hard to get to this point, having survived the release
process, two name changes, and community building exercises.
I have no reservations about graduating Shiro to a full member of the
Apache community.
Congratulations,
Craig
On Aug 16, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Kalle Korho
Craig L Russell wrote on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:42:18 -0700:
> One of the first things you learn in Apache is that there are (at least)
> three levels of involvement that community members can take:
> contributor, committer, PMC member. See "how it works, roles, etc. etc."
> on the Apache site
Fixed both issues Sebb raised. I doubt either was an impediment to
graduation, but keep 'em coming. Oh and the votes too! (I fear our
little vote will get lost in experiment/radical chat).
Kalle
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:57 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
> On Aug 17, 2010, at 4:29 AM, sebb wrote:
Hi Daniel,
On Aug 17, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
Craig L Russell wrote on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:42:18 -0700:
One of the first things you learn in Apache is that there are (at
least)
three levels of involvement that community members can take:
contributor, committer, PMC member
- Original Message
> From: Craig L Russell
> To: Incubator ; Apache Board
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 12:42:18 PM
> Subject: Re: an experiment
>
>
> On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> > I certainly could have handled it better. But that thread is
> > *indicative* of
- Original Message
> From: Carl Trieloff
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 12:35:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Radical revamp
>
> I've been following this thread, and have another mail written, but not
> posted,
> maybe I will at some point... however I find myse
On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
I certainly could have handled it better. But that thread is
*indicative* of the problem. We've pointed out a several now: two with
Subversion, one with OODT.
Since you've brought it up time and again, it's worth thrashing
through. The kerfuffle
Need access to incubator group
--
Key: INCUBATOR-110
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-110
Project: Incubator
Issue Type: Wish
Components: policy
Reporter: Eric Yang
Chuk
On 08/17/2010 11:39 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
- Original Message
From: Ross Gardler
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 8:45:01 AM
Subject: Re: Radical revamp
On 17/08/2010 13:21, Joe Schaefer wrote:
[...]
Isn't that why we encourage IPMC members
- Original Message
> From: Ross Gardler
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 8:45:01 AM
> Subject: Re: Radical revamp
>
> On 17/08/2010 13:21, Joe Schaefer wrote:
[...]
> > Isn't that why we encourage IPMC members to participate in
> > discussions about our
hi, I am from BlueSky. i just finished my intern and went back home in the
last two days. Sorry that i forget the monthly report.. will cover it soon.
2010/8/17, Noel J. Bergman :
>
> Matt Benson, Srinath Perera, and Michael McCandless all joined the
> Incubator. Several more will be joining this
LOL know problem Ross ;)
On 8/17/10 1:46 AM, "Ross Gardler" wrote:
Sorry damned iPhone autocorrect. First word should be "I like"
Sent from my mobile device.
On 17 Aug 2010, at 09:38, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the current signing off of board
> repo
On 17/08/2010 13:21, Joe Schaefer wrote:
- Original Message
From: Ross Gardler
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 4:14:02 AM
Subject: Re: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:53, Joe Schaefer wrote:
- Original Message
> From: Benson Margulies
> To: j...@apache.org; general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 8:36:47 AM
> Subject: Incubator release docs versus main release docs
>
> Joe,
>
> As I recall, I did a swath of editing to the non-incubator release docs to
>
Joe,
As I recall, I did a swath of editing to the non-incubator release docs to
clarify some things of late. Do you think that the incubator pages could
benefit from a pass, or do you have all the same stuff in there?
-benson
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Martijn Dashorst <
martijn.dasho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As a Member, and mentor, I take offense at being called a hawk,
> lunatic, drive-by-shooter, process-obstructor, etc.
>
>
As a very freshly printed member of this PMC, there are, of course, some
limits on wha
Thanks - I think it's my crusty memory - the problems I had was
determining precisely what to do with generating
keys, etc., which was just a part of all this.
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Stuart Monteith wrote:
If I am to offer a suggestion, I would suggest
- Original Message
> From: Ross Gardler
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
> Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org"
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 4:14:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
>
> On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:53, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>
> > It's optimized for su
On Aug 17, 2010, at 4:29 AM, sebb wrote:
> On 16 August 2010 19:18, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>> The Apache Shiro community and the mentors of the project think the
>> project is ready to graduate and is asking for IPMC's recommendation
>> to present the project resolution to the board. The communit
On 16 August 2010 19:18, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> The Apache Shiro community and the mentors of the project think the
> project is ready to graduate and is asking for IPMC's recommendation
> to present the project resolution to the board. The community
> graduation vote was held and resulted in 27
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Stuart Monteith wrote:
> If I am to offer a suggestion, I would suggest that there be a clear release
> process documented in a single location, with the rational for each of its
> steps
> included.
Is this what you'd want?
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/re
Hi,
I understand the fear. With any tool like that and, indeed,
process, it
is all too common to go through the motions and ignore the spirit of why it
was being done in the first place. When preparing a release I found
it necessary to wade through the available documentation to find out
wh
On 17/08/2010 10:45, Stefan Bodewig wrote:
On 2010-08-17, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
Ross, while I understand the "All it does" part I don't get the
"dangerous" part.
It becomes dangerous if people start to believe it did more than scan
for licenses.
More specifically scan for *only* Apache lic
On 17/08/2010 10:15, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
Ross, while I understand the "All it does" part I don't get the
"dangerous" part.
There have been a number of people who have stated things like
(paraphrasing) "IP management issues have largely gone away now we have
RAT". I'm sure the statements ar
On 2010-08-17, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
> Ross, while I understand the "All it does" part I don't get the
> "dangerous" part.
It becomes dangerous if people start to believe it did more than scan
for licenses.
Stefan
-
To unsubsc
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
wrote:
> Ross, while I understand the "All it does" part I don't get the
> "dangerous" part.
>
> I think noone has ever announced RAT as a solution. It is a helper
> tool. I think the recommendation to use RAT (for what it offers) is
> just plainly
Ross, while I understand the "All it does" part I don't get the
"dangerous" part.
I think noone has ever announced RAT as a solution. It is a helper
tool. I think the recommendation to use RAT (for what it offers) is
just plainly right. Nothing more - nothing less.
Jochen
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 a
On 17/08/2010 05:32, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
I've already decided that I'm going to have to recruit a number of key
mentors to help me protect the project during incubation.
Historically, I think there are two classes of podlings:
- one
Sorry damned iPhone autocorrect. First word should be "I like"
Sent from my mobile device.
On 17 Aug 2010, at 09:38, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the current signing off of board
> reports by mentors but forces them to do a little more than put there name
Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the current signing off of board
reports by mentors but forces them to do a little more than put there name to a
piece of electronic paper.
Personally I imagined my binding vote, as a mentor, to indicate a) the project
debs want this tongi ahead and
Hello everybody,
I append some informations to this proposal
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/JSpiritProposal.
I am always looking for mentors, Champion in the Apache community.
Send me your feedback about this proposal and I were pleased to answer
and develop this with your assistance.
Be
I'm really worried about the growing meme that RAT is solving the IP management
problem.
It is not a solution, it is merely a tool that is useful for a very specific
use case.
All it does is do a pattern match for an Apache licence header in a bunch of
files. It's really useful for checking
As a Member, and mentor, I take offense at being called a hawk,
lunatic, drive-by-shooter, process-obstructor, etc.
There is absolutely no reason to conflate changing the dynamics of the
Incubator by adding this kind of bile to the discussion.
I feel disempowered and insulted by the consistent bi
On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:53, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> It's optimized for success while making mentors potentially responsible for
> failure (iow a project with crappy mentors will fail no matter how much they
> grok apache). Still have doubts about escalating the graduation decision to
> the board.
On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:31, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> - Original Message
>
>> From: Noel J. Bergman
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:00:40 PM
>> Subject: RE: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
>>
>> Greg Stein wrote:
>>
>>> Using this model decentraliz
On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:29, "Noel J. Bergman" wrote:
> Ross Gardler wrote:
>
>> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>> I think that it is a very interesting proposal, that could work very
> well in
>>> specific circumstances, and I'd be willing to see it tried as an
> experiment,
>>> if the Board buys into it
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