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> From: Greg Brown
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:34:35 PM
> Subject: Re: incorrect terminology: lead developers
>
> > Traditionally the "leadership" comes from the membership
> > of the Project Management Committee. People ten
If I can attempt to summarize, there is a difference between the
*concept* of a leader and the *title* of a leader here at ASF (please
correct me if I am wrong). In Pivot's status report, we were
attempting to capture the concept, not the title. However, since it is
a loaded term, it makes
Traditionally the "leadership" comes from the membership
of the Project Management Committee. People tend to take
on a variety of roles within a project, some being more
leader-follower type roles and others revolving around a
small team that shares collective control over direction
of the projec
Traditionally the "leadership" comes from the membership
of the Project Management Committee. People tend to take
on a variety of roles within a project, some being more
leader-follower type roles and others revolving around a
small team that shares collective control over direction
of the projec
Thanks, Niclas. Very appropriate material. This very clearly draws a
distinction between the terms "leader" (as I have been attempting to
use it) and "manager" (by which I would never describe myself).
IMO, successful projects (including those at ASF) need leadership, not
"management". So d
I have had a long chat with Greg, and I think I can somewhat
understand his angle. Taken from Wikipedia;
* Management involves power by position.
* Leadership involves power by influence.
* Managers administer; leaders innovate.
* Managers ask how and when; leaders ask what and wh
OK, then I'll try to provide more clarification. I don't understand
how a project without leadership can succeed. I don't care what you
call it, someone needs to drive the process. I'm not talking about an
implication of authority or a higher degree of ownership - I'm talking
strictly about
- Original Message
> From: Greg Brown
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: incorrect terminology: lead developers
>
> > We don't have a notion of fixed leadership at Apache. Leadership is
> > always welcome but it is determined
We don't have a notion of fixed leadership at Apache. Leadership is
always welcome but it is determined by the will of the group in
question
at a given point in time, not based on one's official status. We
try to
avoid status symbols in order to retain the fair balance of individual
decisio
- Original Message
> From: Greg Brown
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:38:16 PM
> Subject: Re: incorrect terminology: lead developers
>
> Apologies. I'm fired up about another discussion on the pivot-dev list and
> I'm
> letting it bleed over here
Apologies. I'm fired up about another discussion on the pivot-dev list
and I'm letting it bleed over here.
My assertion stands, though. I don't think that it is realistic to
think that any non-trivial project can be effectively guided without
some concept of leadership. Do others on this li
Ordinarily, I'd refrain from comment on a topic such as this. But I
think it's pretty unrealistic to consider any project, especially one
of Pivot's magnitude, to be practically fostered without any kind of
"leader". I don't claim authority, and I don't think that my vote
counts any more th
This is a general comment to everyone. It is finally triggered
by this month's report from Pivot.
There is no such concept at the ASF as "leading developer".
Yes i know that the Jira issue tracker is misleading, as it has
an incorrect label on its interface: "Project Lead"
https://issues.apache.o
On Jun 25 2009 David Crossley wrote:
> Would all projects please ensure that your mentor lists
> are up-to-date. We all need to be able to easily remind
> ourselves.
>
> The primary location is the "Currently in incubation" table:
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
>
> Here are some notes ab
On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Upayavira wrote:
The creation of a podling is heavyweight. Very heavy compared to
registering a project with Sourceforge, GitHub or GoogleCode.
Because of
the effort involved in the creation of a podling, it is natural that
the
Incubator PMC wants some reaso
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 23:15, Curt Arnold wrote:
>> Noah Slater | 9 Aug 12:42 wrote:
>>
>> I think this is a poor summary. Your thread was taken seriously, and
>> people responded, but as far as I knew, discussion was still ongoing. The
>> way you've worded it could lead people into thinking that y
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 08:04 -0700, Ralph Goers wrote:
> On Aug 7, 2009, at 2:17 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Bertrand
> > Delacretaz wrote:
> >
> >> I would oppose to a podling with no code base and no @apache.org
> >> names
> >> in the list of initial committe
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> So who's going to do what about XAP?
>
> I tried understanding the related threads, but I couldn't figure out
> why it's so complicated.
AFAIK, the only complication is an outstanding trademark issue. It's not
clear to me how that s
Agree, and I don't think you need to wait if you don't want to...
-- Niclas
On Aug 10, 2009 11:08 PM, "Jukka Zitting" wrote:
Hi,
So who's going to do what about XAP?
I tried understanding the related threads, but I couldn't figure out
why it's so complicated. If it were up to me, I'd simply f
Sounds like you should go ahead and XAP it. Sorry, couldn't resist.
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Leo Simons wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>> So who's going to do what about XAP?
>>
>> I tried understanding the related threads, but I couldn't figure out
>> why
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> So who's going to do what about XAP?
>
> I tried understanding the related threads, but I couldn't figure out
> why it's so complicated. If it were up to me, I'd simply follow [1].
> In fact, unless someone takes some action on XAP by the end
Hi,
So who's going to do what about XAP?
I tried understanding the related threads, but I couldn't figure out
why it's so complicated. If it were up to me, I'd simply follow [1].
In fact, unless someone takes some action on XAP by the end of this
month, I'll do just that based on the already pass
Hi Curt,
I've already replied to your "Dependencies in SVN" thread in more
depth on couchdb-dev@ [1] so I'll only repeat the essentials here.
To summarise: Niclas is correct in that there is no problem with
bundling third-party dependencies with an ASF project as long as their
licenses ar
Hi Ross,
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Where is the process for voting a new podling committer documented?
>
> More specifically what is the IPMC notification process?..
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html - see the two " Voting
in..." sections.
-Bertrand
-
Where is the process for voting a new podling committer documented?
More specifically what is the IPMC notification process?
Thanks
Ross
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