Re: [esmeproject:2294] Re: [ESME-dev] Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread David Pollak
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Mrinal Wadhwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Hi Sanjiva, > > >> Is there any wire protocol standard involved with this? > Right now its all HTTP .. we use long polling (Comet) to make the message > delivery almost instant > > >> is there any way to make this interop wi

Re: [ESME-dev] Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread Mrinal Wadhwa
Hi Sanjiva, >> Is there any wire protocol standard involved with this? Right now its all HTTP .. we use long polling (Comet) to make the message delivery almost instant >> is there any way to make this interop with twitter? Does twitter have a server-server communication / federation model too li

Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread Dennis Howlett
@sanjiva - in most work situations, people will 'know' at least a handful of folk in their immediate 'network' which can provide a starting point. Tags is one method of discovery as are 'words' used in messages. FYI - there is a design discussion underway re: the current client. D -:) On Wed, No

Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
(FYI this conversation has no impact on the acceptance or not of the proposal .. just my curiosity. So if you feel there's a better place for this conversation please point me there.) When you say its really a tool to discover right people can you elaborate on what that means? Is there some pr

Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread Dennis Howlett
@sanjiva - I'll field this as the 'positioning' guy. You 'can' regard ESME as a 'Twitter for Enterprise' but we prefer not to do so because we then get tangled in all sorts of arguments and comparisons that deflect from how we see the service. The premise upon which we started this project was th

Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
Is there any wire protocol standard involved with this? (Other than HTTP of course.) Sorry for the dumb question but is there any way to make this interop with twitter? Does twitter have a server-server communication / federation model too like XMPP? Apologies if these questions are RTFM type!

Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
+1 .. very interesting! So if I understand correctly this is like twitter for the enterprise? Except more generic somehow (not sure whether I get the pluggability bits and how that works yet from reading the proposal briefly). If you need more mentors I'll be happy to help. Sanjiva. Darren H

Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Darren Hague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...None of us are at ApacheCon, unfortunately - maybe a few of us will be at > ApacheCon Europe... You should, if the project is accepted ;-) > ...I am based in the UK, and happy to chat at any time that suits both ou

Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation

2008-11-04 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On 4 Nov 2008, at 19:02, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Dirk-Willem van Gulik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...Given that - I'd say that incubation with a handful people or so at this stage is, while early and somewhat risky - certainly an option... I assume you me

Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation

2008-11-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Dirk-Willem van Gulik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...Given that - I'd say that incubation with a handful people or so at this > stage is, while early and somewhat risky - certainly an option... I assume you mean "graduation" - and agree that that's an option.

Podling board reports are due November 12

2008-11-04 Thread David Crossley
See http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/November2008 There is one other project that is recently accepted: OpenWebBeans You can still report this month if you want to. Otherwise, please add your project to the ReportingSchedule page, ready for next month. -David ---

Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread Darren Hague
Hi Bertrand, None of us are at ApacheCon, unfortunately - maybe a few of us will be at ApacheCon Europe... I am based in the UK, and happy to chat at any time that suits both our timezones. Cheers, Darren >On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Darren Hague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ...I would l

Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Darren Hague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...I would like to propose ESME as a project for the Apache Incubator... Sounds interesting! I'm willing to help as a mentor. Are any of you guys at ApacheCon by any chance? If yes let us know so we can have a chat. -Bert

Re: Donations Repo

2008-11-04 Thread David Crossley
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > Greg Reddin wrote: > > > > Using the path you specified above I was unable to commit a new > > directory containing sigs and a .zip file. > > as david pointed, this is likely to be a permissions issue. you can > either wait until we've sorted it out or create a JIRA

Re: PMC chairs access to Donations Repo

2008-11-04 Thread David Crossley
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > David Crossley wrote: > >> > >> I presume that the "pmc-chairs" group should have > >> access, but it does not currently. > >> > >> To Incubator PMC, should we add a special handler > >> for the "incubator/donations/" directory? > > > > I agr

Re: PMC chairs access to Donations Repo

2008-11-04 Thread Vincent Siveton
+1 too Vincent 2008/11/1 David Crossley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Greg Reddin wrote: >> David Crossley wrote: >> > >> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/donations/ >> > .^ >> > >> > Is there some documentation that led you astray >> > or just a slip? >> >> I

Re: [PROPOSAL] Stonehenge

2008-11-04 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to propose Stonehenge as an incubator proposal. > > Stonehenge is a set of example applications for Service Oriented > Architecture that spans languages and platforms and demonstrates best > practise and interopera

Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread David Pollak
On 11/4/08, Daniel Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 04 November 2008 9:23:19 am J Aaron Farr wrote: > > Darren Hague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I would like to propose ESME as a project for the Apache Incubator. > > > > > > Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment (ESME) is a sec

Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Tuesday 04 November 2008 9:23:19 am J Aaron Farr wrote: > Darren Hague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I would like to propose ESME as a project for the Apache Incubator. > > > > Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment (ESME) is a secure and highly > > scalable microsharing and micromessaging pla

Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation

2008-11-04 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On 4 Nov 2008, at 14:15, Jan Lehnardt wrote: I haven't been following CouchDB but a PMC of five seems small - you only have to loose a couple of people and you're on the verge of not being a viable project. I took a look through the lists and from what I can see CouchDB entered incubation with

Barcamp Info sharing-community building session for Projects in the Incubator Today

2008-11-04 Thread Yeliz Eseryel
Members of the Projects in the Incubator: We put up a session for you in the Barcamp so that you can talk about your experiences and challenges you face during the incubation process, get feedback and learn from other projects and the mentors of the projects. It is at 3.30pm today on the Second Fl

[PROPOSAL] Stonehenge

2008-11-04 Thread Paul Fremantle
I'd like to propose Stonehenge as an incubator proposal. Stonehenge is a set of example applications for Service Oriented Architecture that spans languages and platforms and demonstrates best practise and interoperability. The full proposal is here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/StonehengeProp

Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation

2008-11-04 Thread Ted Leung
On Nov 4, 2008, at 5:15 AM, Jan Lehnardt wrote: Ted, I patched the couchdb.xml project file (http://friendpaste.com/ebk8csvC ) and updated the committer & mentor lists; can you commit? In addition, it looks that some of the dates in the "work items" section are missing. How to go about

Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread Martin Cooper
Sounds very interesting. I'd especially like to see this mix of languages and clients at the ASF. -- Martin Cooper On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Darren Hague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to propose ESME as a project for the Apache Incubator. > > Enterprise Social Messaging Experi

Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread Brian McCallister
Sweet, I'll +1 it and probably use it :-) On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Darren Hague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to propose ESME as a project for the Apache Incubator. > > Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment (ESME) is a secure and highly > scalable microsharing and micromessagin

Re: Graduation [WAS Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation]

2008-11-04 Thread Jan Lehnardt
On Nov 4, 2008, at 15:08, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Jan Lehnardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Robert, On Nov 4, 2008, at 14:42, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: I know theres been a push to get projects to graduate, but IMO CouchDB would benefit from growing

Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

2008-11-04 Thread J Aaron Farr
Darren Hague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would like to propose ESME as a project for the Apache Incubator. > > Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment (ESME) is a secure and highly > scalable microsharing and micromessaging platform that allows people > to discover and meet one another and get

Re: Graduation [WAS Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation]

2008-11-04 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Jan Lehnardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Robert, > > On Nov 4, 2008, at 14:42, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Niall Pemberton >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> I haven't been following CouchDB but a PMC of five seems small

Re: Graduation [WAS Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation]

2008-11-04 Thread Jan Lehnardt
Hi Robert, On Nov 4, 2008, at 14:42, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I haven't been following CouchDB but a PMC of five seems small - you only have to loose a couple of people and you're on the verge of not being a viable

Graduation [WAS Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation]

2008-11-04 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I haven't been following CouchDB but a PMC of five seems small - you > only have to loose a couple of people and you're on the verge of not > being a viable project. I took a look through the lists and from what > I can s

Re: PMC chairs access to Donations Repo

2008-11-04 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:47 AM, David Crossley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I presume that the "pmc-chairs" group should have >> access, but it does not currently. >> >> To Incubator PMC, should we add a special handler

Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation

2008-11-04 Thread Jan Lehnardt
Niall, thanks for your feedback. On Nov 4, 2008, at 01:53, Niall Pemberton wrote: I haven't been following CouchDB but a PMC of five seems small - you only have to loose a couple of people and you're on the verge of not being a viable project. I took a look through the lists and from what I ca