Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: > > o The podling's developer list, with notice posted to the Incubator > general list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the vote email > with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the podling's > developer list. This is a good approach if you are sure of

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
I'd like to discuss one detail of the process for new committers. On May 30, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: If the nominee is already an Apache committer on another project, the proposer asks the incubator PMC chair to update the authorization file to include the nominee as a comm

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
Here's what I'd like to do with the ppmc guide. Change: Voting in a new committer If a developer has contributed a significant number of high-quality patches, is interested in continuing the contribution, and has demonstrated the ability to work well with others under the Apache guidelines,

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Craig L Russell wrote: > Hi Jean, > > On May 30, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: > >> Craig L Russell wrote: >> >>> Hi Carl, >>> >>> On May 30, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote: >>> One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views from different members

Announce: RAT 0.5

2007-05-30 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Hi, for those who are interested: A new version 0.5 of the Release Audit Tool is available from http://code.google.com/p/arat/ Compared to the previous version 0.4.1, the following changes have been made: * Added header matcher for DoJo. * Refactoring existing codebase to separate concerns

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Jean, On May 30, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Carl, On May 30, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote: One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views from different members of the Incubator PMC on: "Who can and who can not s

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
On May 30, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Craig Russell wrote: I'd like to open the discussion on the "best practice" referred to by the guides/ppmc because I'm not convinced that best practice for a TLP is best practice for the incubator. Personally, if I saw a vote on the incu

RE: [RESULT][VOTE] Arnuad Simon as committer for Qpid

2007-05-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Rajith Attapattu wrote: > Now that we have 3 votes from IPMC, can we please proceed with the accout > creation for arnuad? Yes. Please have one of your Mentors follow through on the account request. > Had Yoav enough time to familliarize himself with the project, I am sure he > would have voted

RE: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Carl Trieloff wrote: > One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views from > different members of the Incubator PMC on: "Who can and who can not > send the account setup mail to root?" The view that counts is from http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#newcommitter. Please note

RE: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Craig Russell wrote: > I'd like to open the discussion on the "best practice" referred to by > the guides/ppmc because I'm not convinced that best practice for a > TLP is best practice for the incubator. > Personally, if I saw a vote on the incubator private PMC list for a > new committer on a po

Protections?

2007-05-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Gilles Scokart wrote: > My understanding is that ASF provide us some kind of 'legal' > protection (I don't know which one) provided that you have > send your ICLA. Isn't it a type of contract? There are several issues, but there is no "contract" between the ASF and Committers to protect them, al

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Craig L Russell wrote: > Hi Carl, > > On May 30, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote: > >> One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views >> from different members of the Incubator PMC on: "Who can and who can >> not send the account setup mail to root?" >> >> Given each

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Martin Ritchie
On 30/05/07, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Yoav, On May 30, 2007, at 6:38 AM, Yoav Shapira wrote: > Hi, > > On 5/30/07, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Personally, if I saw a vote on the incubator private PMC list for a >> new committer on a podling, including refe

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Yoav, On May 30, 2007, at 6:38 AM, Yoav Shapira wrote: Hi, On 5/30/07, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Personally, if I saw a vote on the incubator private PMC list for a new committer on a podling, including references to the PPMC discussion and vote, I would be inclined to vot

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Carl Trieloff
Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Carl, On May 30, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote: One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views from different members of the Incubator PMC on: "Who can and who can not send the account setup mail to root?" Given each new committer vote

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Carl, On May 30, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote: One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views from different members of the Incubator PMC on: "Who can and who can not send the account setup mail to root?" Given each new committer vote will have 3 PMC votes

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, On 5/30/07, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Personally, if I saw a vote on the incubator private PMC list for a new committer on a podling, including references to the PPMC discussion and vote, I would be inclined to vote for that committer. On the other hand, if I saw a vote on t

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 5/30/07, Carl Trieloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: behind this practice. If the mail to root has to be cc-ed to general list and PPMC and has 3 PMC votes on it then it would seem to me that it could be send by anyone. I can only think of one reason: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not accessible to PPM

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 20:59, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > I like the second option. thanks for bringing this up. I don't. It assumes that the [Discuss] thread was all dandy. If not, then the vote passes in public and the Incubator PMC will become the 'bad guys who doesn't let X in'. Looking at

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Dims, It wasn't completely clear from my message, but I intended this to be a choice of the PPMC (with guidance by the Mentors) to hold the votes either in private or in public. I'd like to get others' input as well on whether the guidance here should be 1. private vote on PPMC then

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Carl Trieloff
One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views from different members of the Incubator PMC on: "Who can and who can not send the account setup mail to root?" Given each new committer vote will have 3 PMC votes, why does a mentor have to send the account setup to root?

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas
I like the second option. thanks for bringing this up. thanks, dims On 5/30/07, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like to open the discussion on the "best practice" referred to by the guides/ppmc because I'm not convinced that best practice for a TLP is best practice for the incuba

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
I'd like to open the discussion on the "best practice" referred to by the guides/ppmc because I'm not convinced that best practice for a TLP is best practice for the incubator. The reason is that PPMC votes have no legal status. And incubator PMC members generally don't track podlings close

PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
Having seen this identical discussion at least half a dozen times, I've committed changes to the guides/ppmc document removing the distracting (P) from the discussion on new committers. The new text says Only votes cast by Incubator PMC members are binding. If the vote is positive, and the

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Arnuad Simon as committer for Qpid

2007-05-30 Thread Rajith Attapattu
Noel, Now that we have 3 votes from IPMC, can we please proceed with the accout creation for arnuad? Thanks Henry for giving the +1 for this thread. Besides Yoav has +0 so I guess there are no objections at all. Arnaud has been very active in the last two months and he throughly deserves to be a

Re: Sending proposal to board: how to?

2007-05-30 Thread Martijn Dashorst
I'll see that it gets added then. Martijn On 5/30/07, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nice graphics, tying in several of the key items and time lines. I like it. Craig On May 28, 2007, at 6:52 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: > I've created a schedule for graduation: > > http://www.fli

Re: [VOTE] Approve Tuscany Java SCA 0.90 release

2007-05-30 Thread Paul Fremantle
+1 Paul On 5/30/07, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 from me. thanks, dims On 5/29/07, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/29/07, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 5/29/07, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On 5/27/07, ant

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Arnuad Simon as committer for Qpid

2007-05-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Gilles Scokart wrote: > My understanding is that ASF provide us some kind of 'legal' > protection (I don't know which one) provided that you have send your > ICLA. Isn't it a type of contract? Acutally, that would be the AL (which you license your contributions under) which says "no warranty - do

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Arnuad Simon as committer for Qpid

2007-05-30 Thread Gilles Scokart
My understanding is that ASF provide us some kind of 'legal' protection (I don't know which one) provided that you have send your ICLA. Isn't it a type of contract? Gilles 2007/5/30, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Wednesday 30 May 2007 12:42, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Mmm - bzzz -