Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-23 Thread Don Brown
I don't think this needs more discussion, but to clarify my comment, it was my impression that requirements, specifically that a release has to be created, were being added to the graduation checklist ad hoc. Some members saw it differently, and view it as more of a discussion item, which in retr

Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
+1 On 23 Oct 06, at 2:03 PM 23 Oct 06, Xavier Hanin wrote: Hi All, After several weeks of discussion with our user community [1] and with several Apache members, I am proud to present a proposal [2] for the open source project Ivy to join the Apache Incubator. I and all the Ivy team and us

RE: October 2006 Incubator Board Report (Roller and Wicket)

2006-10-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Amendments that arrived late: - Roller Roller 3.0 work complete - We reported on the new featues of Roller 3.0 in the last status report. Roller 3.0 is now in production at several sites and is ready for release. We are currently testing RC4 and hoping to release shor

Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Xavier Hanin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > === Nominated Mentors === > Antoine Levy-Lambert > Stephane Baillez > Steve Loughran Due to the mail system outage the past weekend my email accepting a mentor role came a bit late. The final vote should include my name as well. Ste

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-23 Thread Greg Stein
On 10/21/06, Mads Toftum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 11:13:44AM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > Clearly having every IPMC member on ever dev list for the life of the > project doesn't scale, but I do think we need to rethink the model to > get better IPMC engagement in p

Re: voting was Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 10/23/06, david reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Davanum Srinivas wrote: > it's a hint that the voter is a pmc member. *sigh* Really, no, seriously, you're telling me that the PMC can't be trusted to count votes from it's members and others it feels are qualified? Wow... Seriously, pointin

Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 06:41, Niall Pemberton wrote: > It seems unclear to me whether this proposal is for a TLP or sub-project of > ant? > > I'm also not sure whether that even matters or something thats usually > considered at the Incubator proposal stage? It has been pointed out in past pro

Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Antoine Levy-Lambert
Hello Niall, Niall Pemberton wrote: > It seems unclear to me whether this proposal is for a TLP or > sub-project of ant? > The Ant PMC will welcome Ivy after incubation if they want to. But Ivy can also choose to graduate as a TLP if the Ivy community prefers. All this is of course dependent upon

Re: voting was Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > Might be nice to leave "binding-ness" as an accounting detail for the > person running the vote, to get rid of the "my vote counts, yours > doesn't" thing that David pointed out. > > After all, if you get consensus, and it's all +1s. Bingo. That was David's point

Re: voting was Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Might be nice to leave "binding-ness" as an accounting detail for the person running the vote, to get rid of the "my vote counts, yours doesn't" thing that David pointed out. After all, if you get consensus, and it's all +1s. geir Paul Fremantle wrote: David I think you are wrong. Bef

Re: voting was Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Paul Fremantle
David I think you are wrong. Before I saw that syntax I used to assume that I couldn't vote unless my vote was binding. I've seen this model encourage non-PMC members to vote (myself included). Paul On 10/24/06, david reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Davanum Srinivas wrote: > it's a hint that t

Re: BLOWING WIND v.s. VOTING

2006-10-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Martin Cooper wrote: > > If you're saying that we can't have a discussion without that also > implicitly being a vote, how is this supposed to work? I hope I'm just > missing something obvious, or misunderstanding you completely. I'm saying, if you stop and phrase your thread as a vote, you will

Re: voting was Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Davanum Srinivas
A thousand apologies.My bad. Am really sorry that i voted. Am really sorry that i added a word after my vote. is this grovelling enough or should i grovel a bit more? Get a life folks! -- dims On 10/23/06, david reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Davanum Srinivas wrote: > it's a hint that the

Re: BLOWING WIND v.s. VOTING

2006-10-23 Thread Martin Cooper
On 10/23/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Martin Cooper wrote: > Right, but this is a proposal, not a vote. Break, folks. There is a REALLY basic principal from parliamentary procedure that exists for a very good reason, to avoid long pointless debate without decisions...

BLOWING WIND v.s. VOTING

2006-10-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Martin Cooper wrote: > Right, but this is a proposal, not a vote. Break, folks. There is a REALLY basic principal from parliamentary procedure that exists for a very good reason, to avoid long pointless debate without decisions... The principal is this; there is NO discussion without a motion

voting was Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread david reid
Davanum Srinivas wrote: > it's a hint that the voter is a pmc member. *sigh* Really, no, seriously, you're telling me that the PMC can't be trusted to count votes from it's members and others it feels are qualified? Wow... Seriously, pointing out such differences just splits the community. "He

Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Martin Cooper
On 10/23/06, Erik Hatcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 23, 2006, at 6:50 PM, david reid wrote: > Erik Hatcher wrote: >> +1 (binding) > > Forgive my ignorance, but what does "+1 (binding)" mean? see here: Right, but this is a prop

Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Davanum Srinivas
it's a hint that the voter is a pmc member. -- dims On 10/23/06, david reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Erik Hatcher wrote: > +1 (binding) Forgive my ignorance, but what does "+1 (binding)" mean? -- david http://feathercast.org/ ---

Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Erik Hatcher
On Oct 23, 2006, at 6:50 PM, david reid wrote: Erik Hatcher wrote: +1 (binding) Forgive my ignorance, but what does "+1 (binding)" mean? see here: - To unsubscribe

Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread david reid
Erik Hatcher wrote: > +1 (binding) Forgive my ignorance, but what does "+1 (binding)" mean? -- david http://feathercast.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Niall Pemberton
It seems unclear to me whether this proposal is for a TLP or sub-project of ant? I'm also not sure whether that even matters or something thats usually considered at the Incubator proposal stage? Niall On 10/23/06, Xavier Hanin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi All, After several weeks of discuss

Re: [doc] final call for review on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html

2006-10-23 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On 10/23/06, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: a final call for review for http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html before it graduates from draft status I suspect this will be a popular document down the road, especially with all the instruction by example in the propo

Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Erik Hatcher
+1 (binding) On Oct 23, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Xavier Hanin wrote: Hi All, After several weeks of discussion with our user community [1] and with several Apache members, I am proud to present a proposal [2] for the open source project Ivy to join the Apache Incubator. I and all the Ivy team an

Re: How to read and write e-mail @ apache (was: Re: [VOTE] graduate harmony podling)

2006-10-23 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 23, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Leo Simons wrote: Change the subject line when you change the subject...done. But you didn't change the subject, so that was a bad idea. On Oct 21, 2006, at 11:39 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Oct 21, 2006, at 3:24 AM, Leo Simons wrote: This is *not* an actual

[doc] final call for review on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html

2006-10-23 Thread robert burrell donkin
a final call for review for http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html before it graduates from draft status - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Form of included license for non-software files (e.g. documentation)

2006-10-23 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/23/06, Marshall Schor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello - from one of the proposers for the new UIMA project on the incubator- now being set up. (I would ask this question on the legal-discuss mailing list, but I've not been granted access (although I've asked for this). If there is another

Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Leo Simons
On Oct 23, 2006, at 8:03 PM, Xavier Hanin wrote: After several weeks of discussion with our user community [1] and with several Apache members, I am proud to present a proposal [2] for the open source project Ivy to join the Apache Incubator. Cool. Ivy is cool. Actually, it's not *that* cool

How to read and write e-mail @ apache (was: Re: [VOTE] graduate harmony podling)

2006-10-23 Thread Leo Simons
Change the subject line when you change the subject...done. Don't top post...failed! Keep it short...failed! Oh well...as for the rest...going by example... The preface --- On Oct 21, 2006, at 11:39 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Oct 21, 2006, at 3:24 AM, Leo Simons wrote: This is *not*

Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Davanum Srinivas
+1 (Binding) from me. -- dims On 10/23/06, Xavier Hanin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi All, After several weeks of discussion with our user community [1] and with several Apache members, I am proud to present a proposal [2] for the open source project Ivy to join the Apache Incubator. I and al

Re: RAT

2006-10-23 Thread david reid
robert burrell donkin wrote: > On 10/20/06, david reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> robert burrell donkin wrote: >> > On 10/20/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On 10/19/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Is this something you would bring over to the ASF, a

[PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Xavier Hanin
Hi All, After several weeks of discussion with our user community [1] and with several Apache members, I am proud to present a proposal [2] for the open source project Ivy to join the Apache Incubator. I and all the Ivy team and user community hope you will consider this proposal carefully, and

September 2006 Incubator Board Report

2006-10-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
RESENDING SEPTEMBER REPORT -- Since the last report, there has been significant progress made by individual projects within the Incubator (below). Traffic on general@incubator.apache.org has been significant, with contributions and oversight by many ASF Members and Directo

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > the Incubator PMC shouldn't be forced to play hunt the wumpus ...Oops! Bumped a Wumpus! Tim Ellison wrote: > On 20/10/06, Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Look. You guys are freakin' nuts. > > :-) that is a pre-req' for tackling something like harmony. ROFL t

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-23 Thread Greg Stein
On 10/21/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not trying hold a vote "elsewhere" - this can only happen if there > is a binding vote by the Incubator - it just means you vote "over there" > rather than "over here". Um,

RE: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > The only votes that are binding from the Incubator PMC are > those conducted on general@ or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Justification / basis? It seems clear that Sam disagrees with you. > the Incubator PMC shouldn't be forced to play hunt the wumpus The vote was announced her

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-23 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sunday 22 October 2006 01:16, Tim Ellison wrote: > I was able to attend a US an EU ApacheCon and get my key signed by a > number of members, and in turn sign a number of other peoples', so I > believe that all the pieces are in place for me, and others in > Harmony, to conduct a bona fide releas

October 2006 Incubator Board Report

2006-10-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
In the recent period, there was a lot of sound and fury related to committer lists, specifically related to CFX, and how a project is bootstrapped in general. On the former, I've spoken at length with many of the parties involved, and feel that it was a combination of misunderstandings, overreacti

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-23 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 19 October 2006 02:14, Don Brown wrote: > I don't think it is fair to be making up graduation > requirements right when a project is about to graduate. Can you please be more specific. Which requirements have been mad up on the spot just for Harmony? Either this is a case of FUD or m

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-23 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/21/06, Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 20/10/06, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 20, 2006, at 3:34 AM, Tim Ellison wrote: > > > To be clear, our snapshots are more than a simple snap of > > Subversion -- > > we (the Harmony community) discuss the right time to

Re: [VOTE] graduate harmony podling

2006-10-23 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 21, 2006, at 3:24 AM, Leo Simons wrote: This is *not* an actual vote. The vote is on harmony-dev; see Well, then, why did you call it a vote? This is what we call confusing the voters, ballot irregularities, "hanging chad", and other fun things that cause unnecessary wars. I don't und

Re: OFBiz: we need help to complete the NOTICE and LICENSE files

2006-10-23 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/20/06, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IANAL. I believe we still don't have definitive templates for these files :( templates probably won't work in this case: a project can adopt any format that satisfies the legal policy requirements. explanation with examples (http://incubator.ap

Re: OFBiz: we need help to complete the NOTICE and LICENSE files

2006-10-23 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/21/06, David E Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 20, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Leo Simons wrote: > I think this looks good, too. However, it has some content at the > bottom: > > *** > Apache 2.0 > *** > ... > *

Re: [VOTE] graduate harmony podling

2006-10-23 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Saturday 21 October 2006 18:24, Leo Simons wrote: > This is *not* an actual vote. The vote is on harmony-dev; see > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-harmony-dev/ > 200610.mbox/<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > This e-mail is only for archival purposes (Geir's first note about > t

Re: OFBiz: we need help to complete the NOTICE and LICENSE files

2006-10-23 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/20/06, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 20, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ofbiz/trunk/LICENSE I think this looks good. +1 some project use a format that details only those files which deviate from the collective lic

RE: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Sam Ruby wrote: > How hard is it to know that to grep for the vote for > podling "foo" on "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"? > I'd love for this vote to set the precedent for future votes. > Accomplishes a number of things simultaneously, and naturally. Amongst > them, by exposing more people to incubation,

Re: RAT

2006-10-23 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/20/06, david reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: > On 10/20/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 10/19/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Is this something you would bring over to the ASF, and which we can >> start >> > promoting a

Form of included license for non-software files (e.g. documentation)

2006-10-23 Thread Marshall Schor
Hello - from one of the proposers for the new UIMA project on the incubator- now being set up. (I would ask this question on the legal-discuss mailing list, but I've not been granted access (although I've asked for this). If there is another place to ask, please let me know.) In preparing thi

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-23 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: > On 10/19/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (i'll run RAT against the source and submit a JIRA or something with > the issues but may be later on next week. alternatively, checked the >