On 12/30/05, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/30/05, Thomas Dudziak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On 12/30/05, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > What would Jyve give us that Nabble doesn't do for us already - and
> > without
> > > us having to lift a finger, to
On Dec 31, 2005, at 7:34 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Just the tabbed and menu navigation. And some other little bits
that no one
probably uses.
FTR, I hate the tabs, find the layout unreadable, and nobody sees that
the important documentation has never been updated. Half the screen
real esta
Folks,
Please review the items here:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ProposedChanges
Please feel free to add/modify/delete or start a new thread here on
any issue that you care about. Let's give it a week and then ask the
incubator PMC to VOTE on items on that page.
thanks,
dims
--
Davanum Sri
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> I don't want a staging server at all! It's *massive* overkill and
> something I don't want to have any part of.
Fine, let's take the build server out of this equation, because it addresses
somewhat different needs.
> The way to solve the 'how do I build this?' for a p
Geir,
> [David] has been studly about it, but could he be studly today?
> I updated the main projects page and need that to be published.
Hopefully so. IIRC, David is in Oz, and so it should be just past 5AM for
him.
--- Noel
---
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 08:41:35AM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> The fact that we have to rely on a human being means to me (and probably
> where Mads is coming from) that the entire workflow is broken. -- justin
>
Exactly! Depending on a 3rd party as part of the process is what really
blows
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 12:47:51PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
>
> > Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > if you look at plans for site-dev, they don't involve people doing
> > > their own builds, they involve a build server.
>
> > Anakia sites don't need a build server! I w
He has been studly about it, but could he be studly today? I updated
the main projects page and need that to be published...
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Mads Toftum wrote:
Whoa! so the workflow is tied to David watching for commits?
When someone said that at apachecon, I thought it was a joke -
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > if you look at plans for site-dev, they don't involve people doing
> > their own builds, they involve a build server.
> Anakia sites don't need a build server! I would never feel comfortable
> about committing a change that I couldn't review
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> How would even having a local copy of the JARs prevent the problem that
> Forrest won't actually generate the site?
I don't believe that to be correct, but we can clarify with David and Ross.
> Don't get me wrong; having everything included in incubator/site *is* a
> r
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 11:10:13AM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Leo Simons wrote:
>
> > I think what it comes down to is what we want here for the
> > incubator is a "stable", or preferably "mature" tool, and
> > forrest really is currently too much of a moving target
>
> That can be addressed
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 11:04:18AM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Mads Toftum wrote:
> > Whoa! so the workflow is tied to David watching for commits?
> > When someone said that at apachecon, I thought it was a joke - I'm
> > beginning to understand more and more of why people are annoyed.
>
> Why
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 01:35:38PM +0100, Torsten Curdt wrote:
> As long as everyone has to have a tool locally to build and commit a
> site in order to change *content*, people *will* find the tool annoying.
> A smaller tool maybe less ...but it's *is* an additional step that
> should
> not be r
Leo Simons wrote:
> I think what it comes down to is what we want here for the
> incubator is a "stable", or preferably "mature" tool, and
> forrest really is currently too much of a moving target
That can be addressed, in part, by packaging Forrest in our site build
structure, so that when you c
Ross Gardler wrote:
> In my opinion sticking with Forrest will be damaging to both parties
unless:
> - people here are willing to actually respond to Davids proposals
> (not necessarily agree, but at least respond)
I agree that it isn't fair to always file feature requests in the form of
complai
Mads Toftum wrote:
> Whoa! so the workflow is tied to David watching for commits?
> When someone said that at apachecon, I thought it was a joke - I'm
> beginning to understand more and more of why people are annoyed.
Why? The man has been tremendous about it. He publishes daily. And if you
loo
I missed this originally...Noel told me to go respond anyway...
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200512.mbox/[EMAIL
PROTECTED]
David Crossley wrote on Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:31:58 +1100:
> Now on to the issues with using Forrest.
>
> Yes we know that it is a little cumb
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 10:34:04AM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Mads Toftum wrote:
> > the logo for Apachecon that finished more than two weeks ago
>
> Fixed the next time that David regenerates the site.
>
Whoa! so the workflow is tied to David watching for commits?
When someone said that at
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Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:31:58 +1100
Subject: simplifying the generation of Incubator website
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I would li
Mads Toftum wrote:
> I don't see much sophistication in the current site
Just the tabbed and menu navigation. And some other little bits that no one
probably uses.
> the logo for Apachecon that finished more than two weeks ago
Fixed the next time that David regenerates the site.
> > Personall
Hi gang,
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 09:54:44PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
>
> Either see what improvements we can get from Forrest, or convert to anakia
> and have a less sophisticated site.
>
> Personally, I'd like to s
Ross,
> Forrest has been moving towards the site-build proposal steadily. Most of
> our devs are on the site-dev list and see what little is discussed there.
> We are actually much closer to it than people not onthe Forrest lists will
> realise. We've not reported to the sie-dev list because we ar
I was going to respond last night, but I'd been incubatored-out.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
this is just for sources of javax.* NOT implementations. One location
for a servlet-api.jar, jaxrpc.jar, saaj.jar, xml-apis.jar.
Geir wrote:
No - the spec jars for those thing
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Saturday 31 December 2005 07:36, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
In any
event, <...> an
uber-umbrella isn't making sense to me, so far.
+1
Don't force things in place. To me, the most logical step forward is that most
"uninteresting, boring, stenography" of specs sits in
Personally, I'd like to see if the Forrest folks can "redeem" the
product's
reputation here, and make people happy in a timely manner.
Incubator has been using Forrest for how long? So how long do you want
to go on with something that seems to generate a lot of annoyance with
anyone but you an
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
Either see what improvements we can get from Forrest, or convert to anakia
and have a less sophisticated site.
Personally, I'd like to see if the Forrest folks can "redeem" the product's
reputation
> David,
>
>> Some troubles at the ASF are that:
>> a) We cannot run java-based applications on apache
>> hardware (perhaps when the zones.a.o machine is
>> out of testing phase).
>
>> b) There are various projects using Forrest
>> but no ASF-wide installation for them to use
>> server-side.
>
> -
On Saturday 31 December 2005 07:36, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> In any
> event, <...> an
> uber-umbrella isn't making sense to me, so far.
+1
Don't force things in place. To me, the most logical step forward is that most
"uninteresting, boring, stenography" of specs sits in Geronimo, mainly
becaus
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 09:54:44PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Either see what improvements we can get from Forrest, or convert to anakia
> and have a less sophisticated site.
>
I don't see much sophistication in the current site - or is it the logo
for Apachecon that finished more than two we
On 12/31/05, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From an overall ASF perspective, I'd be more likely to go with the one that
> has less overhead. Nabble is already there, doing the forum thing, and
> completely managed outside of the ASF. Nobody at the ASF has to do anything
> but add new m
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