David,
> Some troubles at the ASF are that:
> a) We cannot run java-based applications on apache
> hardware (perhaps when the zones.a.o machine is
> out of testing phase).
> b) There are various projects using Forrest
> but no ASF-wide installation for them to use
> server-side.
- zones is out
> What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
Either see what improvements we can get from Forrest, or convert to anakia
and have a less sophisticated site.
Personally, I'd like to see if the Forrest folks can "redeem" the product's
reputation here, and make people hap
On 12/30/05, Thomas Dudziak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 12/30/05, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > What would Jyve give us that Nabble doesn't do for us already - and
> without
> > us having to lift a finger, to boot?
>
> My wish would basically be for something that allows a us
> > I had to download a JRE for my box.
> C'mon, it's a java-based app after all.
FWIW, so is anakia, which is what we use to build the main ASF site, and
many other ASF sites. So a JRE is pretty universally required, and
available.
> Same thing will happen with this new Super Simple Tool
> -- y
Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
On Sat, 2005-12-24 at 13:00 -0700, Martin Sebor wrote:
Don't do a press release. An incubating project is not officially part
of the ASF, and a press release will imply that the project is part of
the ASF. This one really makes ASF members angry, so don't go her
Steven Noels wrote:
[...]
IMHO, actually very _few_ companies issue PR around their ASF
involvement, considering the fact that the ASF biosphere is one of a
myriad of tiny (one-person), small (a few people), and then larger
companies employing individuals which contribute to ASF projects, quite
Torsten Curdt wrote:
> Sorry, don't get it...
>
> At work we are running continuum watching svn commits and
> then automatically rebuilding our site with forrest.
> Noone has to care about html nor forrest. Just check out
> the xdocs and commit them - done.
>
> My 2 cents
Fantastic to hear.
Som
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
What's the point? To show that you can compile and link against the spec?
Yes. And i do personally think this is a good practice to ensure
portability.
Maven 2 has scoped transitive dependencies : you can specify that your code
compiles against the spec, and test
Sorry, don't get it...
At work we are running continuum watching svn commits and
then automatically rebuilding our site with forrest.
Noone has to care about html nor forrest. Just check out
the xdocs and commit them - done.
My 2 cents
cheers
--
Torsten
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Ross Gardler wrote:
> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> >>Forrest is much more than the "simple site generation tool" that the
> >>subject says is wanted here, I recognise that Forrest may not be the
> >>right tool for this job. I happen to disagree, but I recognise the
> >>possibility.
> >
> >Well, if
On 12/30/05, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What would Jyve give us that Nabble doesn't do for us already - and without
> us having to lift a finger, to boot?
My wish would basically be for something that allows a user to use it
transparently as a mailing list or forum (whatever the u
On 12/31/05, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
>
> > If you, as a user, are looking for a replacement of Sun's
> >jar files, you wouldn't look for JaxMe. But you'd
> >probably look for a central location of SPEC jar files.
>
> Why would I want to replace Su
Leo Simons wrote:
> OK ok ok ok. Enough already. Done and done. The incubator has more pressing
> things
> to worry about right now besides site generation tools. Please drop this
> thread or
> take it elsewhere (I suggested site-dev@ before).
I too see no need to squash such threads. Sure, take
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> > What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
>
> Switch the incubator to anakia. =)
>
> FWIW, Brett claims that Maven 2 gives up all of the goofy workflow problems
> with Maven 1, but I'm not familiar with it. I'
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> this is just for sources of javax.* NOT implementations. One location
> for a servlet-api.jar, jaxrpc.jar, saaj.jar, xml-apis.jar.
Geir wrote:
> No - the spec jars for those things. Not the implementations.
Ah. And JavaMail? There is only one functional JavaMail out
Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
> If you, as a user, are looking for a replacement of Sun's
>jar files, you wouldn't look for JaxMe. But you'd
>probably look for a central location of SPEC jar files.
Why would I want to replace Sun's jar files? Only because I want an
implementation, and that's wh
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
There's an interesting idea. So there is a shared repo destination that
all the respective projects public spec jars into? I would imagine that
we would need some convention published in each project so that the spec
jars can easily be found.
I do not agree that gath
On 12/30/2005 1:27 PM, Craig McClanahan wrote:
On 12/30/05, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Looks good to me.
Guys, should we not begin to create a specs project in Jakarta? It
seems that we have a consensus.
Well, maybe ... I have a couple of concerns about the practica
Craig McClanahan wrote:
(b) JSRs that Apache does not host implementations for, but where projects
might
want to rely on implementations acquired elsewhere.
For group (a), the current practice is to host the API classes inside the
project that is also providing the implementation. That makes
Craig McClanahan wrote:
Note that if a primary goal of this effort is to have a common repository of
API jars (and that's certainly a worthy goal), it doesn't require a separate
project to accomplish that -- simply a mechanism for cooperation on what
repository to post API jars into. (However
On 12/30/05, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Looks good to me.
>
> Guys, should we not begin to create a specs project in Jakarta? It
> seems that we have a consensus.
Well, maybe ... I have a couple of concerns about the practicalities here.
First, at least for the set of standa
Looks good to me.
Guys, should we not begin to create a specs project in Jakarta? It
seems that we have a consensus. What are the next steps?
Regards,
Alan
On 12/30/2005 6:14 AM, James Carman wrote:
Why not do like we do with the commons?
spec-javamail
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On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 08:21:32AM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 11:12:14AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> > What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
>
> Switch the incubator to anakia. =)
Yup.
> FWIW, Brett claims that Maven 2 giv
On Dec 30, 2005, at 10:57 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:Craig L Russell wrote: On Dec 30, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Does it need to? only if people want it. JPOX is the RI, and I always feel that a truly competitive impl of a spec isn't going to be the RI. You don't want to do re
On 12/30/05, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 12/30/05, Thomas Dudziak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Though that would probably be more of a
> > forum-type community rather than a mailinglist-type community.
>
> A subject for a different thread; but after looking at the latest Jyv
On 12/30/05, Thomas Dudziak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/30/05, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 12/30/05, Thomas Dudziak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Though that would probably be more of a
> > > forum-type community rather than a mailinglist-type community.
> >
> > A
Craig L Russell wrote:
On Dec 30, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Does it need to? only if people want it. JPOX is the RI, and I
always feel that a truly competitive impl of a spec isn't going to be
the RI. You don't want to do real extension and surrounding innovation
in
On 12/30/05, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/30/05, Thomas Dudziak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Though that would probably be more of a
> > forum-type community rather than a mailinglist-type community.
>
> A subject for a different thread; but after looking at the latest Jyve
On 12/30/2005 10:29 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
2. There is no reason that I know of to restrict commit privileges on
the javax code to expert group members. The TCKs typically include
signature tests that verify that the interfaces and classes contain
exactly what they are supposed to.
I agr
On Dec 30, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:Brett Porter wrote: On 12/31/05, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it was just coming out of incubation, but yes, that's somethingwe should point to somehow. I agree. This point actually raises something else - it would be a b
On Dec 30, 2005, at 9:50 AM, Brett Porter wrote:On 12/31/05, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it was just coming out of incubation, but yes, that's somethingwe should point to somehow. I agree. This point actually raises something else - it would be a bitsilly to have a specs pr
Craig L Russell wrote:
4. Apache JDO (which notwithstanding information on the incubator web
site has graduated;-)
Hey, I fixed the source page. Didn't the magical process happen to get
it published? :)
geir
-
To u
I have a few observations that might help inform what we do here.1. There is often what you might call "implementation" in the javax. domain. There are bootstrap classes in the JSR 220 and JSRs 12 and 243 that must be implemented by the javax code. And Exceptions and Errors have to be classes. But
On 12/30/2005 10:18 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
On 12/30/05, Thomas Dudziak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 12/30/05, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Reasons for not Jakarta:
*) Java specific.
I wonder why it has to be Java-specific ? Aren't there any standards
that conta
Henri Yandell wrote:
On 12/30/05, Thomas Dudziak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 12/30/05, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Reasons for not Jakarta:
*) Java specific.
I wonder why it has to be Java-specific ? Aren't there any standards
that contains bindings for several languages
On 12/30/05, Thomas Dudziak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Though that would probably be more of a
> forum-type community rather than a mailinglist-type community.
A subject for a different thread; but after looking at the latest Jyve
stuff at ApacheCon, it seems entirely possible for a forum-type
Brett Porter wrote:
On 12/31/05, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think it was just coming out of incubation, but yes, that's something
we should point to somehow.
I agree. This point actually raises something else - it would be a bit
silly to have a specs project ("here are
On 12/30/05, Thomas Dudziak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/30/05, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Reasons for not Jakarta:
> >
> > *) Java specific.
> >
> I wonder why it has to be Java-specific ? Aren't there any standards
> that contains bindings for several languages ?
Good
On 12/30/05, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Reasons for Jakarta would be:
>
> *) Good reuse of branding. Jakarta is still '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' to many out
> there and I think we should use this instead of letting it drop.
>
> *) Helps Jakarta become a Java Federation. Code reflects comm
On 12/30/05, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I understand the earlier point that there might not be a lot of coding
> going on here and that might hinder building any community around it.
> However, its another excuse for a bunch of people doing Java stuff to
> get together in one place,
On 12/30/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Dec 27, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
> > ie) Keep them as a part of Jakarta Commons [the community development
> > at Jakarta] or make a third component in Jakarta [along with Jakarta
> > General, the conversation place] ca
On 12/31/05, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think it was just coming out of incubation, but yes, that's something
> we should point to somehow.
I agree. This point actually raises something else - it would be a bit
silly to have a specs project ("here are all our Java specs!") if
IIRC, they are going to be the RI for JDO2.
I think that an indep impl that isn't the RI would be healthy. Maybe we
could base on the JPOX2 codebase as a start. It won't be a fork, IMO.
I don't have the time though...
geir
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
On 12/30/05, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROT
On 12/30/05, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Not sure if the JDO spec is being referenced, but that is a spec+TCK project
> > only, where a portion of th EG are ASF committers and the spec development
> > happens on the ASF infrastructure.
>
> I think it was just coming out of inc
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Friday 30 December 2005 22:52, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I'm missing something fundamental. What would a JSR Expert Group
have to do with this? We are talking about the API jars for
completed JSRs, right, and maybe other specs if there are any that
require simi
On 12/30/2005 6:54 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 28, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
On 12/27/2005 4:25 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
Discussion of upcoming specs, discussion of usage of the specs, a
users list that helps people use the specs (this is necessary, but
worries me ab
On Friday 30 December 2005 22:52, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> I'm missing something fundamental. What would a JSR Expert Group
> have to do with this? We are talking about the API jars for
> completed JSRs, right, and maybe other specs if there are any that
> require similar machinations?
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
I disagree in trying to put the kibosh on the thread.
It was very healthy to bring out the frustration that had been
simmering, and I think that we all learned something.
Agreed
What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
Well as I have
On Friday 30 December 2005 17:52, Niklas Gustavsson wrote:
> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > On Friday 30 December 2005 14:55, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> >>I can take care of Niclas immediately, since he's already an ASF
> >> Committer. I just checked the CLA records as of today, and we do not
> >> have a
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
There has been some discussion on creating a Java specs project
which would hold all the specs jars from the various JSRs as well
as other standards, e.g. CORBA. Often, there are many duplicate
"copies" of the source code for the same JSR floati
Noel,
this is just for sources of javax.* NOT implementations. One location
for a servlet-api.jar, jaxrpc.jar, saaj.jar, xml-apis.jar.
-- dims
On 12/30/05, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
> > There has been some discussion on creating a Java specs project
>
Yes, I agree with Justin. More eyes the better. Especially ones with
"outsider" perspective will help.
-- dims
On 12/30/05, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 10:21:59AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> > Agreed, but the Tuscany proposal was an independent pro
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> There has been some discussion on creating a Java specs project
> which would hold all the specs jars from the various JSRs as well
> as other standards, e.g. CORBA. Often, there are many duplicate
> "copies" of the source code for the same JSR floating around in
> differ
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 10:21:59AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> Agreed, but the Tuscany proposal was an independent proposal, not
> sponsored (at the time) by any PMC.
Dims mentioned that they had planned to approve that proposal through the
WS PMC - so if it had been sponsored by them, ther
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 11:12:14AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
Switch the incubator to anakia. =)
FWIW, Brett claims that Maven 2 gives up all of the goofy workflow problems
with Maven 1, but I'm not familiar with it.
I disagree in trying to put the kibosh on the thread.
It was very healthy to bring out the frustration that had been
simmering, and I think that we all learned something.
What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
geir
Leo Simons wrote:
OK ok ok ok. Enough alrea
OK ok ok ok. Enough already. Done and done. The incubator has more pressing
things
to worry about right now besides site generation tools. Please drop this thread
or
take it elsewhere (I suggested site-dev@ before).
Gaah. Apologies to all for opening up a can of worms. My goal with spending
tim
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 12/29/05, Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If another PMC decides a project should be incubated, they must
provide the people to make that happen (so we achieve proper scaling
and to put the effort on those who want the results). The Incubator
can't refuse the
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Hi,
I'm missing something fundamental. What would a JSR Expert Group
have to do with this? We are talking about the API jars for
completed JSRs, right, and maybe other specs if there are any that
require similar machinations? (I can't think of any...)
I raised the E
On 12/29/05, Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If another PMC decides a project should be incubated, they must
> provide the people to make that happen (so we achieve proper scaling
> and to put the effort on those who want the results). The Incubator
> can't refuse the project outright, but
Hi,
> I'm missing something fundamental. What would a JSR Expert Group
> have to do with this? We are talking about the API jars for
> completed JSRs, right, and maybe other specs if there are any that
> require similar machinations? (I can't think of any...)
I raised the EG commit point for c
On Dec 28, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
On 12/27/2005 4:25 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
Discussion of upcoming specs, discussion of usage of the specs, a
users list that helps people use the specs (this is necessary, but
worries me about getting "how do I do servlets" type questions).
On Dec 27, 2005, at 10:12 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
On 12/27/05, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Seems like an oxymoron, community should be active, but the code may
not, no? How can this be?
Two ways:
1) The conversation that Brett mentions. General pan-apache Java
things. I'm a
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Niklas Gustavsson wrote:
I'm not a commiter but I do have my CLA on file
"niklas" is already taken for another account. What would be your prefered
alternative(s)?
ngn would be fine, thanks! It doesn't seem to be taken based on the list
at http://apache.org/~jim/
Niklas Gustavsson wrote:
> I'm not a commiter but I do have my CLA on file
"niklas" is already taken for another account. What would be your prefered
alternative(s)?
--- Noel
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On Dec 27, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
On 12/27/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Dec 27, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
My aim for Jakarta is to either promote subprojects to TLP or
flatten them into Jakarta Commons, leading to a non-umbrella
Jakarta
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Forrest is much more than the "simple site generation tool" that the
subject says is wanted here, I recognise that Forrest may not be the
right tool for this job. I happen to disagree, but I recognise the
possibility.
Well, if you believe Forrest could be, then do it
I need to catch up, clearly. I thought I suggested we do here in
anticipation of a TLP. I've been being lazy the past few days. I'll
go read and reply now...
geir
On Dec 30, 2005, at 9:10 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
On 12/28/05, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I still don't se
+1 from me too. Let's do it. We can move the saaj/jaxrpc/jaxws specs
out from Axis tree.
-- dims
On 12/30/05, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/28/05, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I still don't see #1. However, I still feel that this all belongs in
> > Jakart
Why not do like we do with the commons?
spec-javamail
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From: Henri Yandell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:08 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Starting a java specs project
On 12/27/05, Hiram Chirino <
On 12/28/05, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I still don't see #1. However, I still feel that this all belongs in
> Jakarta Commons.
Of the 6 people involved in the thread here, I'd guess at 3 +1's to
start this at Jakarta right away; and nothing from Jochen/Hiram/Geir
seems like a
On 12/27/05, Hiram Chirino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think this would be great! I know it's silly, but I get annoyed at
> the fact that many of the J2EE spec jars that I use from apache have
> "geronimo-" in the jar name but It's just the ASL 2.0 spec jars that
> I'm using and not rea
On 12/29/05, Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 01:12:52PM +1100, David Crossley wrote:
> >...
> > If people have issues with Forrest, then please take them
> > to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. It is totally unfair
> > to a new project to just criticise it from af
Hopefully my last post. I'd have stopped a while ago, but I thought I
was being helpful by telling you about a use case that I thought legit
that had me stumbling and to show I wasn't just whining.
Ross Gardler wrote:
[SNIP]
Now please let the "dead horse" drop. Simply admit that you don't
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but this reminds me of the old
joke :
Patient : "Doctor, my arm hurts when I life it like this..."
Doctor : "Don't lift it like that..."
I needed to "lift my arm".
I had a page that I didn't wish to have as part of the site (i.e
http://www.apache.org/licenses/#clas
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 12:54:28PM +0300, Sergey Vladimirov wrote:
> Hi, Noel,
>
> Where can I find a template? Google cannot help.
>
> 2005/12/30, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > I just checked the CLA records as of today, and we do not have a C
Hi, Noel,
Where can I find a template? Google cannot help.
2005/12/30, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> I just checked the CLA records as of today, and we do not have a CLA from
> Sergey Vladimirov.
--
Sergey Vladimirov
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Friday 30 December 2005 14:55, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I can take care of Niclas immediately, since he's already an ASF Committer.
I just checked the CLA records as of today, and we do not have a CLA from
Sergey Vladimirov. As soon as we do, we can put in an account req
On Friday 30 December 2005 14:55, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> I can take care of Niclas immediately, since he's already an ASF Committer.
> I just checked the CLA records as of today, and we do not have a CLA from
> Sergey Vladimirov. As soon as we do, we can put in an account request for
> him.
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