Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

Roy T. Fielding gbiv.com> writes: > I have been helpful for the past ten years and have seen nothing > but intentional obstruction from the FSF. Think about that. Roy, I have thought about that, and, speaking for myself, I'd like to thank you for being helpful for the past ten years. I would

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

On Jul 28, 2005, at 6:19 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: Could we not make it a slam dunk by putting some text in the confirmation email sent when you subscribe to the mailing list saying "you hereby agree that all email sent to this address are implicitly licensed as ASL2"? Yes.

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 13:52 -0700, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > ASF mailing lists are protected to some degree by the community's > acceptance that the work done on those lists will be distributed > under the Apache license. We have a legal argument (not a slam dunk) > that nobody could possibly pa

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

On Jul 28, 2005, at 5:12 PM, Mark Wielaard wrote: Nice Harmony spirit there. A nice spirit would be to stop blindly believing everything the FSF says about compatibility, particularly on their ridiculous license compatibility list, and instead use your own brain to read the license. Just lik

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

Hi Roy, On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 13:52 -0700, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > Note, however, that the people crying about the community terms > are a bunch of idiots. They already require their contributors to > assign copyright to the FSF. As such, the mailing list discussion > is completely irrelevant t

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

On Jul 28, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Danese Cooper wrote: Been watching this debate and thought I should chime in that Sun has more than one community where the *source* is under one license (say LGPL for instance) but the *mail lists* are explicitly under more liberal terms of use. Why are you all a

Re: Project Proposal: Subvertive

Reading over it, I think it actually says that. I can attest to the fact that beer was involved in the initial design process of this thing... On Jul 28, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Larry Meadors wrote: I think that was to be a part of the 1.1 release? Larry On 7/28/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL

Re: Project Proposal: Subvertive

I think that was to be a part of the 1.1 release? Larry On 7/28/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You forgot to mention the part where it will byte-weave the compiled > diff into the classfile... > > geir > > On Jul 22, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Upayavira wrote: > > > Subvertive

Re: Project Proposal: Subvertive

You forgot to mention the part where it will byte-weave the compiled diff into the classfile... geir On Jul 22, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Upayavira wrote: Subvertive Incubator Proposal -- Here is a proposal for an incubator project that originally arose over beers at ApacheC

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

On Jul 28, 2005, at 5:02 PM, Danese Cooper wrote: Been watching this debate and thought I should chime in that Sun has more than one community where the *source* is under one license (say LGPL for instance) but the *mail lists* are explicitly under more liberal terms of use. Why are you a

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

Been watching this debate and thought I should chime in that Sun has more than one community where the *source* is under one license (say LGPL for instance) but the *mail lists* are explicitly under more liberal terms of use. Why are you all assuming that they mail list must be under a sou

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

On Jul 28, 2005, at 3:25 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Thursday 28 July 2005 22:59, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Sure - every mail list at the ASF has been understood to be under the Apache License for contributions, and if you choose to submit something to a mail list that isn't intended for peo

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

On Jul 28, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Thursday 28 July 2005 22:59, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Sure - every mail list at the ASF has been understood to be under the Apache License for contributions, and if you choose to submit something to a mail list that isn't intended for peopl

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

On Jul 28, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On July 28, 2005 2:20:03 PM -0400 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The discussion is related to creating a policy for contributions made to the *mail list* that works for everyone. No, that's not how it works. T

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

--On July 28, 2005 2:20:03 PM -0400 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The discussion is related to creating a policy for contributions made to the *mail list* that works for everyone. No, that's not how it works. Changing the license terms for contributions posted to the mail

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: The problem we have run into is that there are community members who wish to have at least the work that comes out of mail list discussions to be able to be used in their GPL-ed code. Now, it's our interest as a project to produce things with the widest usability

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

On Thursday 28 July 2005 22:59, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > Sure - every mail list at the ASF has been understood to be under the > Apache License for contributions, and if you choose to submit > something to a mail list that isn't intended for people to use, you > mark it as "NOT A CONTRIBUT

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

On Jul 28, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On July 28, 2005 12:34:02 PM -0400 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The modified BSD, X11, and the Intel license are GPL compatible :) EDONTCARE. The license on our projects is ALv2. It isn't X11 or BSD or anyth

Re: [STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jul 27 23:46:19 2005

Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: ... Resolved Issues ... o All projects under incubation must use a STATUS file (or a status.xml file if the project prefers XML) that contains information the PMC needs about the project. This file must live at the root of the project cvs mod

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

--On July 28, 2005 12:34:02 PM -0400 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The modified BSD, X11, and the Intel license are GPL compatible :) EDONTCARE. The license on our projects is ALv2. It isn't X11 or BSD or anything else. (Not to mention, they have *substantially* weaker pr

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

On Jul 26, 2005, at 2:04 AM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: While in general I try to steer clear from licensing discussions these days (been too long a part of the Linux crowd in general and LKML in particular), I do strongly feel that we should not dilute the ASL by making "an exception" or "c

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

--On July 26, 2005 8:04:57 AM +0200 Henning Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: particular), I do strongly feel that we should not dilute the ASL by making "an exception" or "changing a default license". +1. -- justin ---

Re: Harmony Podlling Quarterly Report

On Jul 26, 2005, at 12:06 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 26 July 2005 04:46, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: We have the following outstanding issue that I will be talking to the Apache Incubator PMC about - parts of the community have asked that we change our default license for mail list co