Committership in specified duration

2004-01-12 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
Hello folks, This is what i have been thinking about. For long. "Committership in specified duration". For example, "Log4XXX" (New Project) needs some committers in order to improve the quality of the codebases rapidly and reliably, it seems. (Patching, patching ... would dampen developers/con

Re: Undermining the Incubator

2004-01-12 Thread Rich Bowen
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > >> So, like I said, I clearly missed what you suggested as fixes to the > >> problems that you perceive. While I'm sure that this discussion belongs > >> on the incubator list, rather than here, I have a strong suspicion that > >> you're going to resp

RE: JIRA is live

2004-01-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Anou, In the two cases of jUDDI and Depot you mentioned, I checked the STATUS file and saw that they are waiting on Jira, so I went ahead and created them. For future reference, such requests should normally come from the (P)PMC responsible for the project. Please let the people involved in those

Re: Undermining the Incubator

2004-01-12 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
>> So, like I said, I clearly missed what you suggested as fixes to the >> problems that you perceive. While I'm sure that this discussion belongs >> on the incubator list, rather than here, I have a strong suspicion that >> you're going to respond with a note to the effect that you've already >> b

Toning it down...

2004-01-12 Thread Sander Striker
Hi guys, Can we go back to friendly replies again? The thread 'Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers' is starting to sound a lot more hostile that it has to be. Sander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTE

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > >> Incubation is not intended to be difficult. The Incubator's raison d'être >> is to make sure that projects are imported, while ensuring that important >> details have been observed. > > Yes, I can see this. Also, I am sure that such projects can also choose > another

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Ceki Gülcü wrote: > > Once the legal aspects are resolved, why adopt such a radical > position? Is it warranted? the resolution of the legal aspects is done by the incubator. why don't restaurants perform their own health inspections? it's not a radical position. the incubator exists, in part, t

RE: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > Incubation is not intended to be difficult. The Incubator's raison d'être > > is to make sure that projects are imported, while ensuring that important > > details have been observed. > Yes, I can see this. Also, I am sure that such projects can also choose > another

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
> Incubation is not intended to be difficult. The Incubator's raison d'être > is to make sure that projects are imported, while ensuring that important > details have been observed. Yes, I can see this. Also, I am sure that such projects can also choose another way if there are appropriate "Less

RE: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> The stated purpose of the Logging Services project is the inclusion of > projects such as log4net, log4php, log4cpp or log4cxx. Sounds great. Wonderful. That's exactly the kind of thing we all want to see happen. > These projects already are open sourced, some even under the Apache license. >

RE: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Ceki Gülcü wrote: > All the developers who have expressed an opinion on the matter so far > were inclined to have separate repositories with separate access > rights. The exact internal organization of the Logging Services is > something that should be left for the Logging Services project to > de

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Ceki Gülcü wrote: ... Once the legal aspects are resolved, why adopt such a radical position? Once legal aspects are resolved, the infrastructure is set up and the community works you are out of the Incubator anyhow. The "radical position" is just about getting these done no more, no less. Pleas

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 09:19 AM 1/12/2004 -0500, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: > >>> From what I understand so far, I can't see any advantages for *log4net* >>>to come through the Incubator instead of LS. >> >>http://incubator.apache.org/faq.html#does_project_X_really_need_Incubation >>http://incuba

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Ceki Gülcü wrote: > >>> From what I understand so far, I can't see any advantages for *log4net* >>>to come through the Incubator instead of LS. >> >>http://incubator.apache.org/faq.html#does_project_X_really_need_Incubation >>http://incubator.apache.org/faq.html#can_Incubation_be_skipped >>http:/

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 11:49 AM 1/12/2004 +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: ... From what I understand so far, I can't see any advantages for *log4net* to come through the Incubator instead of LS. http://incubator.apache.org/faq.html#does_project_X_really_need_Incubation http://in

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 11:49 AM 1/12/2004 +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: ... From what I understand so far, I can't see any advantages for *log4net* to come through the Incubator instead of LS. http://incubator.apache.org/faq.html#does_project_X_really_need_Incubation http://incubator.apache.org/

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Ceki Gülcü wrote: > > What does it mean exactly for log4net to come through the Incubator? > From what I understand so far, I can't see any advantages for *log4net* > to come through the Incubator instead of LS. code that has existed outside the asf can *only* enter the asf through the incubator

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Ceki Gülcü wrote: The exact internal organization of the Logging Services is something that should be left for the Logging Services project to decide. ... Whether LS becomes a single integrated community cannot be imposed from above. The project needs time to evolve naturally. Nobody ever said or

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Ceki Gülcü wrote: ... From what I understand so far, I can't see any advantages for *log4net* to come through the Incubator instead of LS. http://incubator.apache.org/faq.html#does_project_X_really_need_Incubation http://incubator.apache.org/faq.html#can_Incubation_be_skipped http://incubator.apac

RE: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 01:18 AM 1/11/2004 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > Also - is log4net being directly imported or is it going through the > > > incubator? My understanding would be the latter given it's bringing > > > new developers in, but my guess would be that it would be fairly > > > simple if the licen