Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-26 Thread Andrew Godwin
My intention is indeed for us to run a new Technical Board election come the end of 4.2, with much better and more explicit communication about what will be expected of the new members, and a larger candidate pool to pull from to hopefully make that work. I will be posting my actual proposed DE

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-26 Thread James Bennett
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 12:02 PM Andrew Godwin wrote: > At this point, it is my view that it is our job to govern with the people > we have, and the time and energy they can provide, and that's my intention > with these suggested changes. > If the problem in front of us is that the Technical Boa

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-26 Thread Andrew Godwin
I agree the Technical Board has not followed the letter of DEP 10, and I think the things you have highlighted are all valid failings, but I want to focus on - what should we do to remedy them? Given the lack of candidates we already have, if we ditch the current Board and try to elect a new on

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-26 Thread James Bennett
I'm going to avoid trying to get too much into point-by-point back-and-forth argument here, and try to present the larger picture. The Technical Board has multiple active responsibilities under DEP 10. Let's look at some of them: 1. Canvas for feature proposals once per feature release of Django.

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-25 Thread Eric Matthes
I want to offer a perspective from outside the Django community. > I also saw the relative lack of candidates for Board elections and essentially thought "better burnt-out me than literally nobody". I appreciate Andrew's honesty here. I have been a volunteer on our local mountain rescue team fo

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-25 Thread Andrew Godwin
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022, at 12:12 AM, James Bennett wrote: > > My first reaction to this is: if having a DEP that says the Technical Board > is supposed to take the lead in gathering feature proposals didn't get them > to do it, it doesn't feel like another DEP saying they're responsible for > t

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-25 Thread Carlton Gibson
*Loosening eligibility is fine, though I agree it's going to be very difficult to write down in an enforceable way -- the DEP 10 language and process was intended primarily to prevent trolls and other bad-faith actors from being able to run effectively for the Technical Board, and there's a balance

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-25 Thread Florian Apolloner
Hi James, On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 12:27:03 AM UTC+2 James Bennett wrote: > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 2:24 PM Andrew Godwin wrote: > >> Proposing features - this is already in DEP 10, so I more just want to >> get that aspect of the Board actually going (and, as a side-effect, have >> som

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-24 Thread James Bennett
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 6:33 PM Andrew Godwin wrote: > It has not. While I cannot speak for the other members of the Board, I got > burnt out in 2019, and then the pandemic began, and so it has not really > been something I've pushed for in the past three years (and I believe I was > one of the d

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-24 Thread Andrew Godwin
> Has that not been occurring? Because if it hasn't, then we have a major > problem, and I don't see how the current proposal would resolve it. It has not. While I cannot speak for the other members of the Board, I got burnt out in 2019, and then the pandemic began, and so it has not really been

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-24 Thread James Bennett
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 2:24 PM Andrew Godwin wrote: > Proposing features - this is already in DEP 10, so I more just want to get > that aspect of the Board actually going (and, as a side-effect, have > something to aid fundraising). I am talking with the current Board > separately on an internal

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-24 Thread Andrew Godwin
These are some great points, James - let me try to tackle them roughly in order. Proposing features - this is already in DEP 10, so I more just want to get that aspect of the Board actually going (and, as a side-effect, have something to aid fundraising). I am talking with the current Board sepa

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-24 Thread James Bennett
Something I note here is that it's presenting a solution, but not clearly (at least, from my reading) presenting the problem to be solved. Is it a lack of people proposing features? If so, I'm not sure this helps -- it would, to me, suggest that only members of the Technical Board/Steering Council