Re: Django-nonrel patches

2012-06-26 Thread Jonas H.
On 06/26/2012 11:07 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins wrote: Last I heard Jonas wanted to do a new release of mongodb-engine. He might have meant to say he was not maintaining the project anymore, but he's not the only one with commit access. The main thing is that I've lost interest in maintaining this

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2012-06-26 Thread Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Chris Northwood wrote: > > Surely that's what it needs though, an 'ORM' and an 'Object-Document > Mapper' at some point. What's the advantage of trying to shoehorn > MongoDB to work with an ORM, when it's not relational, and as it has > to be hidden behind the same

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2012-06-26 Thread Luciano Pacheco
On Jun 27, 2012 7:12 AM, "Chris Northwood" wrote: > > On 26 June 2012 22:07, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins wrote: > > > I have to agree, that's the big one. Though I the ecosystem of 3rd party > > apps is what makes using Django so great. If there is one ORM for 99% of > > the apps out there, and only on

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2012-06-26 Thread Chris Northwood
On 26 June 2012 22:07, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins wrote: > I have to agree, that's the big one. Though I the ecosystem of 3rd party > apps is what makes using Django so great. If there is one ORM for  99% of > the apps out there, and only one that works Mongo, then the only real use > case of Django is

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2012-06-26 Thread Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
Note that I've talked about the issues that nonrel has, and there are many. That said, I have some responses below. I'm not trying to be the nonrel spokesperson. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Daniel Greenfeld wrote: > > I don't mean to pick bones, but looking at the github account, BETA > app

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2012-06-26 Thread Daniel Greenfeld
On Sunday, June 24, 2012 10:31:41 PM UTC+8, Cezar Jenkins wrote: > > I'm only lightly involved in the project, but there is some misinformation > going around about it. > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Daniel Greenfeld > wrote: > >> >> >> We evaluated django-nonrel for use in projects and

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2012-06-24 Thread Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Russell Keith-Magee < russ...@keith-magee.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins > wrote: > > There's an extent to which "Does Django support non-rel" is really > just asking "Can I use the admin and Django Forms with non-rel"; so > r

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2012-06-24 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins wrote: > I'm only lightly involved in the project, but there is some misinformation > going around about it. > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Daniel Greenfeld  wrote: >> >> >> >> We evaluated django-nonrel for use in projects and looked ag

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2012-06-24 Thread Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
I'm only lightly involved in the project, but there is some misinformation going around about it. On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Daniel Greenfeld wrote: > > > We evaluated django-nonrel for use in projects and looked again at > django-nonrel for our talk at DjangoCon Europe. To summarize our >

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2012-06-24 Thread Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
Hi Daniel, Thanks for giving some feedback on this. I completely agree that one of its biggest downfalls is that it tries to treat MongoDB as a relational store, and I think this is what I meant by it just didn't "feel right". Also +1 on the comments made about it feeling hacky, and I suspect th

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2012-06-23 Thread Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
Hi Andres, Afaik, there's currently some compatibility issues with Django 1.4 - so it's not currently stable. Also, in my own personal opinion - after having a chance to use the mongo models with Django, in my personal opinion, it just didn't "feel right". Not entirely sure how to explain what th

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2012-06-23 Thread Andres Douglas
Hey All, I've been trying to use django with mongo and it seems like django-nonrel is still the best option out there. The only sad fact is that it's still not part of the official django. Looking for an answer as to why that was the case, I came across this thread. Are tests and docs all that

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2012-01-08 Thread Jonas H.
On Sun 08 Jan 2012 05:39:02 PM CET, Emil Stenström wrote: On Thursday, December 8, 2011 10:31:39 PM UTC+1, jo...@lophus.org wrote: 1.) I didn't write the code, I'm just submitting the patches in their current state Jonas: Do you have information on who wrote the code that you submitted? I g

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2012-01-08 Thread Emil Stenström
On Thursday, December 8, 2011 10:31:39 PM UTC+1, jo...@lophus.org wrote: > > 1.) I didn't write the code, I'm just submitting the patches in their > current state > Jonas: Do you have information on who wrote the code that you submitted? I guess a good way forward would be to find those people,

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2011-12-13 Thread Wilfred Hughes
On Dec 12, 4:46 pm, Karen Tracey wrote:> > > This SELECT: > > >  {'sql': u'SELECT "vortaro_car"."id", "vortaro_car"."name", > > "vortaro_car"."owner_id" FROM "vortaro_car" WHERE > > "vortaro_car"."owner_id" IN (1)', > >  'time': '0.001'}, > >  {'sql': u'DELETE FROM "vortaro_car" WHERE "id" IN (1)'

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2011-12-12 Thread Anssi Kääriäinen
On Dec 12, 4:53 pm, Wilfred Hughes wrote: > > [Django] is (sort of) _emulating_ SQL cascading deletes, but it does so in > > a way that doesn't assume anything at all from the backend. > > I'm not sure this is correct. If I define the following models: > In [1]: from vortaro.models import Pers

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2011-12-12 Thread Karen Tracey
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Wilfred Hughes wrote: > Following up on #17338 ([nonrel] supports_deleting_related_objects > database feature flag): > > carljm said that: > > > [Django] is (sort of) _emulating_ SQL cascading deletes, but it does so > in a way that doesn't assume anything at all f

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2011-12-12 Thread Wilfred Hughes
Following up on #17338 ([nonrel] supports_deleting_related_objects database feature flag): carljm said that: > [Django] is (sort of) _emulating_ SQL cascading deletes, but it does so in a > way that doesn't assume anything at all from the backend. I'm not sure this is correct. If I define the f

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2011-12-09 Thread Jannis Leidel
On 09.12.2011, at 01:37, Jonas H. wrote: > On 12/08/2011 11:39 PM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Jonas H. wrote: >>> 2.) I don't like wasting my time, so I won't write extensive documentation >>> before the patch gets accepted >> >> I'm sorry, but that's just not h

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2011-12-08 Thread Jonas H.
On 12/08/2011 11:39 PM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Jonas H. wrote: 2.) I don't like wasting my time, so I won't write extensive documentation before the patch gets accepted I'm sorry, but that's just not how we do things around here. Documentation isn't an aftert

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2011-12-08 Thread Carl Meyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mmm, this reads to me like a bit of a mis-understanding. Hinges on what Jonas means by "before the patch gets accepted." The phrase is slightly confusing because we have an Accepted state in Trac, but that applies to tickets, in concept, not to specifi

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2011-12-08 Thread Jacob Kaplan-Moss
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Jonas H. wrote: > 2.) I don't like wasting my time, so I won't write extensive documentation > before the patch gets accepted I'm sorry, but that's just not how we do things around here. Documentation isn't an afterthought; is as important -- more even -- then the

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2011-12-08 Thread Jonas H.
On 12/07/2011 09:53 PM, Aymeric Augustin wrote: I just came across your patches while I was triaging the "unreviewed" queue. Unfortunately, I found it difficult to assess them, since they don't include tests or docs. Generally, all changes should come with tests. If you're adding new features

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2011-12-07 Thread Aymeric Augustin
On 3 déc. 2011, at 23:36, Jonas H. wrote: > On Jacob's suggestion in this thread [1] back in April, I split the diff > between Django trunk and Django-nonrel into logically separated patches. > > I uploaded most of them to the ticket tracker (a few things are still missing > but these are the mo

Re: Django-nonrel patches

2011-12-05 Thread Adrian Holovaty
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Jonas H. wrote: > On Jacob's suggestion in this thread [1] back in April, I split the diff > between Django trunk and Django-nonrel into logically separated patches. > > I uploaded most of them to the ticket tracker (a few things are still > missing but these are th

Django-nonrel patches

2011-12-03 Thread Jonas H.
Hello list! On Jacob's suggestion in this thread [1] back in April, I split the diff between Django trunk and Django-nonrel into logically separated patches. I uploaded most of them to the ticket tracker (a few things are still missing but these are the most important changes): https://code