Re: Hongkong Post Root Inclusion Request

2009-02-13 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 02/09/2009 08:44 PM, kathleen95...@yahoo.com: This begins the one-week discussion period. After that week, I will provide a summary of issues noted and action items. If there are no outstanding issues, then this request can be approved for inclusion. If there are outstanding issues or action i

Re: Certigna Root Inclusion Request

2009-02-13 Thread Frank Hecker
kathleen95...@yahoo.com wrote: The summary of the action items resulting from this first public discussion is as follows. A publicly available document that is evaluated as part of the annual audit needs to be provided, and it must include information that satisfies section 7, parts a, b, and c

Re: what is the new work requirement for the auditor?

2009-02-13 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 02/13/2009 11:46 AM, Ian G: Don't fixate on the title. CAs generally have some set of documents that are internal / not published, and some set of documents that are published. If someone like the WebTrust people come along and say "CPS must be published" then the CPS gets thinner and some oth

Re: what is the new work requirement for the auditor?

2009-02-13 Thread Paul Hoffman
>Seems to me that this is another case where we're having problems >because we're using a term ("CPS") which is widely understood, but >for which more than one meaning exists. As long as we continue to >use it without defining it, we will have problems of people seeming >to agree, but having diffe

Re: what is the new work requirement for the auditor?

2009-02-13 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 02/13/2009 10:47 PM, Nelson B Bolyard: Is that a way forward? Whatever it's called, it must be *the* document which was the base for the auditor as well. There is no substitute to it really. -- Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. Jabber: start...@startcom.org Blog: https://blog.s

Re: what is the new work requirement for the auditor?

2009-02-13 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
Ian G wrote, On 2009-02-13 01:46: > Don't fixate on the title. CAs generally have some set of documents > that are internal / not published, and some set of documents that are > published. If someone like the WebTrust people come along and say "CPS > must be published" then the CPS gets thinne

Re: Certigna Root Inclusion Request

2009-02-13 Thread kathleen95014
The summary of the action items resulting from this first public discussion is as follows. A publicly available document that is evaluated as part of the annual audit needs to be provided, and it must include information that satisfies section 7, parts a, b, and c of the Mozilla CA Certificate Pol

Re: how do we agree?

2009-02-13 Thread Ben Bucksch
On 13.02.2009 20:37, kathleen95...@yahoo.com wrote: Certigna’s CPS contains sensitive information that cannot be posted publicly at this time. As such, the following possible solutions are recommended: 1) Publish a version of the CPS with the confidential material redacted. Yeah, that's fin

Re: how do we agree?

2009-02-13 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 02/13/2009 09:36 PM, Ben Bucksch: FWIW, this is irrelevant. *We* require the ETSI. We can also require additional requirements, like that the CPS is published. or you have to add a new policy or practices point which says that regardless of ETSI, the CPS must be published. It already stat

Re: how do we agree?

2009-02-13 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 02/13/2009 09:37 PM, kathleen95...@yahoo.com: The summary of the action items resulting from this first public discussion is as follows. A publicly available document that is evaluated as part of the annual audit needs to be provided, and it must include information that satisfies section 7,

Re: how do we agree?

2009-02-13 Thread kathleen95014
The summary of the action items resulting from this first public discussion is as follows. A publicly available document that is evaluated as part of the annual audit needs to be provided, and it must include information that satisfies section 7, parts a, b, and c of the Mozilla CA Certificate Pol

Re: how do we agree?

2009-02-13 Thread Ben Bucksch
On 13.02.2009 16:56, Ian G wrote: But it isn't me that sets the criteria, it is in this case ETSI, and the *policy* clearly says that ETSI is acceptable, and apparently ETSI say non-publication is ok. FWIW, this is irrelevant. *We* require the ETSI. We can also require additional requirements

Re: how do we agree?

2009-02-13 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 02/13/2009 05:56 PM, Ian G: But it isn't me that sets the criteria, it is in this case ETSI, and the *policy* clearly says that ETSI is acceptable, and apparently ETSI say non-publication is ok. So you either have to take it up with ETSI (good luck) or you have to add a new policy or practices

Re: how do we agree?

2009-02-13 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 02/13/2009 11:19 AM, Ian G: 1. * All documents supplied as evidence should be publicly available and must be addressed in any audit. 2. * Any substantial ommissions submitted afterwards may need to be confirmed by auditor, at Mozilla's discretion. Keeping replies short, #1 and #2 sound fine

Re: how do we agree?

2009-02-13 Thread Ian G
On 13/2/09 16:15, Ben Bucksch wrote: For reference, Ian added, and Eddy reverted: (old text) The CP/CPS should be publicly available from the CA's official web site (added text) (we rely on public documents only). If you do not publish the CP/CPS (not recommended), you will need to publish an e

Re: how do we agree?

2009-02-13 Thread Ben Bucksch
On 12.02.2009 20:11, Ian G wrote: On 11/2/09 21:26, Eddy Nigg wrote: On 02/11/2009 06:43 PM, Ian G: OK, I made some changes on the wiki For reference, Ian added, and Eddy reverted: (old text) The CP/CPS should be publicly available from the CA's official web site (added text) (we re

Re: how do we agree?

2009-02-13 Thread Ben Bucksch
On 13.02.2009 16:15, Ben Bucksch wrote: Ian, I also disagree with your change. CPS IMHO must be public, period. It's important for "Relying parties". The CPS is the only thing that shows what the CA actually does and warrants to relying parties. Even more so must the "recommended practices" be

Re: Hongkong Post Root Inclusion Request

2009-02-13 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 7:58 PM -0800 2/12/09, Nelson B Bolyard wrote: >Recently, a CA that uses partitioned CRLs applied to admission to >the Mozilla/NSS root CA list. Our choices appear to be: > >1) Do not admit their root until support for partitioned CRLs is done. >(There is no active plan of record to do that wor

Re: Hongkong Post Root Inclusion Request

2009-02-13 Thread manho
On Feb 13, 11:58 am, Nelson B Bolyard wrote: > Michael Ströder wrote, On 2009-02-10 00:27: > > > Nelson B Bolyard wrote: > >> This is probably a policy question, but: are we willing to accept CAs > >> that use CRLs that we cannot parse? > > > I'd say no. > > >> Does this CA also implement OCSP?  C

Re: what is the new work requirement for the auditor?

2009-02-13 Thread Ian G
On 12/2/09 20:46, Eddy Nigg wrote: On 02/12/2009 09:04 PM, Ian G: Eddy, you change your tune so fast you must be salsa dancer ... I don't think so. I wondered if we need a list of 20 items in order to clarify what a CA should provide in terms of audited documents. As I already said, many times

Re: how do we agree?

2009-02-13 Thread Ian G
On 13/2/09 00:22, Eddy Nigg wrote: On 02/12/2009 09:11 PM, Ian G: Once the CA desk decides that is how it is, after consultation, that's how it is. Frank held the line against requiring publication, and I for one will support that against the steamrolling. But there were calls made by David