Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-26 Thread Marco Zehe
Hi everyone, On 07.01.2015 12:19, I wrote: > Besides: It does give us a competitive advantage over other browsers in > the academic space and whereever other space longdesc may be used, or > start being used once it is officially sanctioned by the W3C. To reiterate: In certain areas like education

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-17 Thread L. David Baron
On Monday 2015-01-12 13:55 +0200, Henri Sivonen wrote: > I'd prefer us to voice opposition in the REC transition > questionnaire. For reasons already stated in this thread, it's > probably not a good use of time to put effort into writing a long > essay for the reasons for opposition. Therefore, I

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-15 Thread L. David Baron
On Wednesday 2015-01-07 12:19 +0100, Marco Zehe wrote: > On 07.01.2015 06:09, Robert O'Callahan wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Jet Villegas wrote: > >> The main downside I see is a potential "Mozilla removes features used by > >> disabled people..." PR fiasco. I think we can avoid that

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-12 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 1:13 AM, L. David Baron wrote: > W3C recently published the following proposed recommendation (the > stage before W3C's final stage, Recommendation): > > http://www.w3.org/TR/html-longdesc/ > HTML5 Image Description Extension (longdesc) > > There's a call for review to W

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-11 Thread Daniel Veditz
On 1/7/15 6:51 PM, John Foliot wrote: > (Q: what part of openness = rejecting an attribute that many still > want to see retained? That seems very "closed" to me...) Don't confuse "open" with a democratic and/or consensus process. Open means that our decision making process is as transparent as po

RE: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-07 Thread John Foliot
L. David Baron wrote: > > (I'm not happy about this spec; for a good description of why, see > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Aug/0028.html . > I'm also under the impression Your "impression" is wrong, and even if Firefox were to drop its implementation of @longdesc toda

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-07 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:19 AM, Marco Zehe wrote: > My recommendation: Take a deep breath, and move on to more important things. Yeah, I agree with this. We should treat this as a learning experience and suck up having to maintain the relatively small implementation. / Jonas ___

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-07 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:13 PM, L. David Baron wrote: > (I'm not happy about this spec; for a good description of why, see > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Aug/0028.html . > I'm also under the impression that they're using Mozilla's > "implementation" of it as support fo

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-07 Thread Karl Dubost
JW, Robin, Le 7 janv. 2015 à 13:30, Robin Berjon a écrit : > No, it's not. View Image Info is always present for images, View Description > is only afforded if there is a longdesc attribute. See here for example http://nota-bene.org/Petit-photographe -- Karl Dubost, Mozilla http://www.la-gra

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-07 Thread Robin Berjon
On 07/01/2015 13:23 , JW Clements wrote: If "View Description" is the same as "View Image Info" then be advised that I use this fairly frequently. Therefore the claim that there's ZERO clicks is extremely inaccurate. No, it's not. View Image Info is always present for images, View Description

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-07 Thread JW Clements
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 20:45:31 -0800 From: Justin Dolske To: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 1/6/15 6:37 PM, Jet Villegas wrote: > The main downside I see i

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-07 Thread Marco Zehe
Hi folks, On 07.01.2015 06:09, Robert O'Callahan wrote: > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Jet Villegas wrote: >> The main downside I see is a potential "Mozilla removes features used by >> disabled people..." PR fiasco. I think we can avoid that with a better >> proposal that we do support. > May

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-07 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:37 AM, Jet Villegas wrote: > The main downside I see is a potential "Mozilla removes features used by > disabled people..." PR fiasco. I think we can avoid that with a better > proposal that we do support. As dbaron said that was also the main reason it got added. Fear-dr

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-06 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Jet Villegas wrote: > The main downside I see is a potential "Mozilla removes features used by > disabled people..." PR fiasco. I think we can avoid that with a better > proposal that we do support. > Maybe Marco Zehe would be interested in removing it :-). Rob -

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-06 Thread Justin Dolske
On 1/6/15 6:37 PM, Jet Villegas wrote: The main downside I see is a potential "Mozilla removes features used by disabled people..." PR fiasco. I think we can avoid that with a better proposal that we do support. I'd be really curious to see if this is actually being used by anyone. We're alrea

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-06 Thread Jet Villegas
The main downside I see is a potential "Mozilla removes features used by disabled people..." PR fiasco. I think we can avoid that with a better proposal that we do support. On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Gavin Sharp wrote: > What downsides do you see? > > Gavin > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 5:43 P

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-06 Thread Gavin Sharp
What downsides do you see? Gavin On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Jet Villegas wrote: > The current Firefox implementation via a context-menu item (presumably > available to screen readers) seems innocuous to me. While I agree with many > of the points objecting to the spec, I don't see much upsi

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-06 Thread Jet Villegas
The current Firefox implementation via a context-menu item (presumably available to screen readers) seems innocuous to me. While I agree with many of the points objecting to the spec, I don't see much upside for us (and plenty of downside) to deprecating the feature without a counter-proposal. --J

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-06 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2015-01-06 6:13 PM, L. David Baron wrote: (I'm not happy about this spec; for a good description of why, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Aug/0028.html . I'm also under the impression that they're using Mozilla's "implementation" of it as support for the spec, whic

W3C Proposed Recommendation: longdesc

2015-01-06 Thread L. David Baron
W3C recently published the following proposed recommendation (the stage before W3C's final stage, Recommendation): http://www.w3.org/TR/html-longdesc/ HTML5 Image Description Extension (longdesc) There's a call for review to W3C member companies (of which Mozilla is one) open until January 16