Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Fred Cooke
I'm totally fine with the 1.0-RC0 1.0-RC1 1.0-RC2 == 1.0 thing, in Git you don't even have to copy anything ;-) If you're going to do trial releases, then RCX is one good way to do it. I've got to point out, though, that "skipped numbers" means exactly NOTHING :-) You *always* skip numbers, by de

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Fred Cooke
You're voting on a set of sources, and the state of them, more than the specific binary built on a specific platform. You're not really voting on the arbitrary binary that manifests itself as a result of those sources and build. Although it's possible to build from the same sources and get a (meani

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Fred Cooke
il, and so on) > -1 = please do not reuse number, numbers are cheap > > Was it what you intended to vote on, and was it how Stephen was thinking to > orient the sentence and the +1/-1 meaning? > > > 2013/5/29 Fred Cooke > > > +1(million) non-binding, but if you want, I

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-29 Thread Fred Cooke
> > -1 for actual releases: it would create more mess imo for end users if > there's many bizarre jumps in numbering The thing with this argument is that it's very, very weak. If a missed version confuses a user, they're basically brain-dead. Assuming your users are brain dead is _always_ dangero

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-30 Thread Fred Cooke
h every release, or stay > mostly > > > the > > > > same. Eg Kristian has been release manager for Surefire by > consistently > > > > stepping up and cutting releases, but if any other committer wanted > to > > >

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-30 Thread Fred Cooke
> No, by their own rules, if the vote passed, then it's 'valid' release. > > That fact that we have more than one release of anything means that we > sometimes get it wrong. > > -Chris > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Fred Cooke wrote: > > >

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-30 Thread Fred Cooke
that you were suggesting to > retroactively go back and remove tags that are not the latest release. > > Which I believe is against the apache rules. > > -Chris > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 30/05/2013, at 10:06 PM, Fred Cooke wrote: > > > Point missed. You said: &

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-31 Thread Fred Cooke
As pointed out by Benson, the whole skipping thing *should* be a non-issue anyway. If doing a release you should already know that it's good enough. You should already have tested it thoroughly on your own OSes. You should have already requested other devs to build from a hash/buildnumber and verif

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-05-31 Thread Fred Cooke
Nice solution, +1. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:41 AM, James Nord (jnord) wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Stephen Connolly [mailto:stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com] > > Sent: 31 May 2013 10:29 > > To: Maven Developers List > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases w

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
> from my experience, even if this question is not absolutely scm-specific, > git > brings us a new problem we didn't have with svn: once a tag is set on the > canonical repo and replicated on developers' repos, it is not automatically > updated if updated in the canonical > Git brings you no such

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
Benson, read the rules: http://httpd.apache.org/dev/voting.html "*-1 *No, I *veto* this action." +1 + -1 != 0 On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Fred Cooke wrote: > >> from my experience, even if this question i

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
t's the reference I was looking for. > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Baptiste MATHUS > wrote: > > That link is for HTTPd. > > For Apache general guidelines, read > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html > > -1 are only vetos for "code m

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
at the maven-scm handlers provide, of which git is but one. > > -Chris > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Fred Cooke wrote: > > > > from my experience, even if this question is not absolutely > scm-specific, > > > git > > > brings us a new problem we

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
e one who mentioned git in that post. > > Please remember what stephen pointed out (which I thought was rather nicely > worded): [paraphrased] > > The real release is the source bundle, and the tags are > merely a convienance to a developer. > > -Chris &g

Re: [VOTE] Apache Maven Javadoc Plugin 2.9.1 (take 2)

2013-06-25 Thread Fred Cooke
Absolutely, sebb! This is what I've been saying all along. If I had more time I'd vote -1 to every attempted release that used or intended to use respun tags/artifacts without revisions and checksums. So here's one for this one until rectified properly -1! On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:28 PM, sebb w

Re: Release process updates

2013-06-25 Thread Fred Cooke
Not really, no. The developer may have re-spun it again and be about to email again. You have no idea what you're looking at unless you know the revision. SVN will die off within a decade and this discussion will become critical. Better to figure out how to support proper techniques now, rather tha

Re: Release process updates

2013-06-25 Thread Fred Cooke
I very much prefer your method, Uwe! There are lots of ways to do this "right". I hope one of those is chosen. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Uwe Schindler wrote: > Hi, > > I agree with sebb. I am not a Maven committer, but the release revision is > very important in the Lucene Project (where

Re: Release process updates

2013-06-25 Thread Fred Cooke
Especially in other environments where it's used properly, by its own principals! :-p On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote: > Le mardi 25 juin 2013 21:15:11 Uwe Schindler a écrit : > > This is a slightly different > > workflow, but is proven to work since years now. > great workfl

Re: Release process updates

2013-06-28 Thread Fred Cooke
t really too much to ask? > >> >>> > >> >>> [1] A revision on its one is insufficient as the ASF uses a shared > SVN > >> >>> repo; the location within the tree is needed to be able to select > the > >> >>> revelant portion of the tree.

Re: Release process updates

2013-06-28 Thread Fred Cooke
e. That's a bit of a clue. Fred. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > On Jun 28, 2013, at 7:05, Fred Cooke wrote: > > For git the unique hash is sufficient, you don't really need the tag at > all, they simply point to the unique hash (or another tag, in a

Re: Release process updates

2013-06-28 Thread Fred Cooke
e that SCM hash/rev by, that's what SNAPSHOT builds are for... Fred. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Stephen Connolly < stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Friday, 28 June 2013, Fred Cooke wrote: > > > For git the unique hash is sufficient, you don't really ne

Re: Release process updates (try 2)

2013-06-30 Thread Fred Cooke
For Git the only thing that is needed is the unique 40 character hash such as this: FreeAir:youtube-dl fred$ git rev-parse HEAD 48bfb5f2387ab47e1973d9db0782a9af66ffc4e6 It's just sloppy not to do this; if a quality release process is required, so is the SVN rev number. If "good enough" is OK, the

Re: Release process updates (try 2)

2013-06-30 Thread Fred Cooke
> > OK, so what is the Git command to download a copy of the sources that > are part of the hash? > git checkout Then observe the tree. You can also export an archive, though I don't recall the exact command off the top of my hand. > Don't I need to know something about the Git repo it comes f

Re: Release process updates (try 2)

2013-07-01 Thread Fred Cooke
Deleting and recreating a Git tag once published is an *extremely* stupid thing to do, at least an order of magnitude more so than the same action in SVN. I sincerely hope that developers in this community would not engage in such activities. Nevertheless, this thread isn't about that, it's about

Re: Spurious file in Apache Maven War plugin 2.4 reelease candidate - broken release process?

2013-07-09 Thread Fred Cooke
Re second checkouts, you're already hurting some (admittedly minority of) users (not me) with LARGE source trees by doing this at all. Keep this in mind and at least make any checking out optional... Perhaps if the SCM plugins were "ignore aware" they could read this info and compare it with some

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Enforcer version 1.3.1

2013-07-13 Thread Fred Cooke
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Robert Scholte wrote: > Op Fri, 12 Jul 2013 23:31:47 +0200 schreef Arnaud Héritier < > aherit...@gmail.com>: > > What are the SCM coordinates? >>> Where is the KEYS file? >> >> >> > sebb is a bot in fact ;-P > > > :) so I don't need to repeat myself explaining why

Re: tags maven-3.1 vs maven-3.1.0

2013-07-15 Thread Fred Cooke
10/10 to Jason for not reusing the existing tag name! <3 On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Arnaud Héritier wrote: > Hi Jason, > > It seems we have 2 tags in Git for maven 3.1 : maven-3.1 and maven-3.1.0 > I think that the the right one to keep is the second one (893ca28 - 28th > June) ? > I

Re: tags maven-3.1 vs maven-3.1.0

2013-07-15 Thread Fred Cooke
Agreed, but as discussed the nicer appaoach would be to use tags in the form 3.1.0-0...N and then point the final tag at the hash pointed to by the successful spin's tag, if you insist on this whole respinning thing. On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > Sure, drop the older on

Re: tags maven-3.1 vs maven-3.1.0

2013-07-15 Thread Fred Cooke
What was the hash for future reference? This is why sebb is sooo right. If you have a unique coordinate, you're good for life, no matter what gets done to the SCM. (more or less) On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Arnaud Héritier wrote: > done > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Jason van Zyl w

Re: Java version usage survey

2013-07-16 Thread Fred Cooke
My 2c: - J7 on Mac is unstable (trust me...) and non-performant, and thus I require my users to use Apple's J6 on the Mac. - On Linux there are lots of Swing bugs in all versions, but a lot less in J7 than J6, so I recommend J7 for Linux guys. - I don't use J5 for anything at all an

Re: tags maven-3.1 vs maven-3.1.0

2013-07-16 Thread Fred Cooke
; > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY > >wrote: > > > > > uh, another bot? > > > > > > Le lundi 15 juillet 2013 22:28:26 Fred Cooke a écrit : > > > > What was the hash for future reference? This is why sebb is sooo > right. &

Re: Java version usage survey

2013-07-16 Thread Fred Cooke
hat current versions of Maven support Java 5 and 6, the real > >>>>>> question is how important is it for older applications that cannot > >>> support > >>>>>> Java 7 to be able to use future versions of Maven? > >>>>

Re: Plugin testing

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Cooke
1) No opinion. 2) No opinion. 3) HUGE +1 Thanks for your efforts! :-) On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > Hi, > > I updated the plugin-testing tools to work with Maven 3.1.0 to help Manfred > get the Android Maven Plugin's test harness working with 3.1.0. A couple > things:

Re: [VOTE] All new (non-patch) releases of Maven Core after 30th Sep 2013 to require Java 6+

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Cooke
+1, unsure if you could have muddied the essentially simple question much more, but OK. :-p On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Stephen Connolly wrote: > +1 (binding) > > > On 23 July 2013 14:59, Stephen Connolly > wrote: > >> This vote is to cover the minimum required version of Java for Maven Cor

Re: [DISCUSS] All new (non-patch) releases of Maven Core after 30th Sep 2013 to require Java 6+

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Cooke
BIG +1 for 6, and small -1 for 7 for my own selfish reasons. The old versions will always be available, and are forkable for anyone that needs a fix, hence small -1 and not crying and moaning. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Stephen Connolly < stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 23 July

Re: Passing information between goals

2013-07-24 Thread Fred Cooke
Just remove the and from the end of it... On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Martin Gainty wrote: > > can anyone reach the URL? > > Baptiste is it possible to repost comments for build-helper to pastebin? > > http://pastebin.com/ > > > > > > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:20:33 +0200 > > Subject: Re: P

Re: [DISCUSS] Should the Maven PMC be an example of how we want the Maven Community to behave (was Re: svn commit: r1506778 - /maven/site/trunk/content/markdown/project-roles.md)

2013-07-25 Thread Fred Cooke
I really appreciate your regularly inserted pieces of Irish humour and often chuckle at them! Keep that up! :-) What matters most to me is not the Apache legal stuff, nor good behaviour/political correctness, rather it's technical excellence and honesty in achieving it, even if at the expense of h

Re: [DISCUSS] Should the Maven PMC be an example of how we want the Maven Community to behave (was Re: svn commit: r1506778 - /maven/site/trunk/content/markdown/project-roles.md)

2013-07-25 Thread Fred Cooke
So much in-crowd politics and unspoken but apparently well-known material. Who is the person, who if they were to come across this, would obviously know they were being talked about anyway? Where is the, almost certainly short lived, fork of Maven located? A quick search failed to reveal this. S

Re: [DISCUSS] Should the Maven PMC be an example of how we want the Maven Community to behave (was Re: svn commit: r1506778 - /maven/site/trunk/content/markdown/project-roles.md)

2013-07-25 Thread Fred Cooke
en.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 25 July 2013 23:15, Fred Cooke wrote: > > > So much in-crowd politics and unspoken but apparently well-known > material. > > > > Who is the person, who if they were to come across this, would obviously > > know they were being

Re: [DISCUSS] Should the Maven PMC be an example of how we want the Maven Community to behave (was Re: svn commit: r1506778 - /maven/site/trunk/content/markdown/project-roles.md)

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
ay. Fred. On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote: > Le vendredi 26 juillet 2013 01:05:44 Fred Cooke a écrit : > > About the fork, though, I'm interested. I'm interested in why it's > > maintained and how it differs. I'm interested because I intend t

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
Yes, easily, if it's the HEAD just do a --amend on it and update it yourself, Jason's name will be retained. If it's not HEAD then do rebase -i then mark the one of interest for comment edit and proceed. On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote: > IIUC, this is a fix to https://jira.

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
Of course, if anyone is working down stream of this, they will hate you, and it should be left as is. On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Fred Cooke wrote: > Yes, easily, if it's the HEAD just do a --amend on it and update it > yourself, Jason's name will be retained. If it&#x

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
jected because the tip of your current branch is > behind > > hint: its remote counterpart. Merge the remote changes (e.g. 'git pull') > > hint: before pushing again. > > hint: See the 'Note about fast-forwards' in 'git push --help' for > det

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
; hint: Updates were rejected because the tip of your current branch is > behind > >> hint: its remote counterpart. Merge the remote changes (e.g. 'git pull') > >> hint: before pushing again. > >> hint: See the 'Note about fast-forwards' in 'git

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
My most humble apologies to Herve for leading you astray! I was unaware of the policy on this. I hope that I didn't inadvertently cause any harm. On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Fred Cooke wrote: > On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Arnaud Héritier wrote: > >> At Apache i

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
In this case I would have liked to see a fix on the > comment if possible, because the current comment is incomplete. > > Anyhow, now I know about this. > > Robert > > > Op Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:40:05 +0200 schreef Jeff Jensen upstairstechnology.com >: > > > On Sat

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
even possible" > > Yes it is, I've done it very often: > http://subversion.apache.org/**faq.html#change-log-msg<http://subversion.apache.org/faq.html#change-log-msg> > (although I use the GUI for it) > > Robert > > Op Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:07:09 +0200 schreef Fred

Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
te: > so, this time: > svn +1 > git -1 > > :) > > more seriously: if we cannot fix comments later, we'll need to be more > careful > when committing > > Regards, > > Hervé > > Le samedi 27 juillet 2013 16:27:50 Fred Cooke a écrit : > > How did I

Re: Git resources was Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
This ought to keep you out of trouble if you're a downstream user: NEVER git pull NEVER git merge ALWAYS git fetch ALWAYS git merge --ff-only / ALWAYS git rebase / [image: http://stuff.fredcooke.com/IDontAlwaysMergeButWhenIDoI.jpg] rebase -i is your friend if used appropriately. As mentioned,

Re: Git resources was Re: [2/2] git commit: o change the scope of org.eclipse.sisu to test in the maven-aether-provider to prevent it from leaking out to clients.

2013-07-27 Thread Fred Cooke
Yes, I've been guilty of it from time to time, as most have been, especially years ago ;-) Did you find any of the above useful? I hope so :-) Coincidental-Fred. On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Barrie Treloar wrote: > On 28 July 2013 07:45, Fred Cooke wrote: > > [1] http://pr

Re: Release Maven 3.1.1

2013-07-28 Thread Fred Cooke
+1 on pushing out regression-free fixes and moving forward. +1 on frequent and small releases and moving forward. On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > On Jul 28, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote: > > > I'd like to work on cd tonight > > > > so if you wait for tomorrow..

Re: Release Maven 3.1.1

2013-07-29 Thread Fred Cooke
Tag deleted? :-/ On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > Tag deleted, repository dropped, and now re-released and restaged. > > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-034/ > > On Jul 29, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: > > > Yes, the loss of Maven 2.2.

Re: Release Maven 3.1.1

2013-07-29 Thread Fred Cooke
Nope, I sent it directly to you to avoid noise on the list, but if you insist on being a and spamming everyone, so be it. On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Baptiste MATHUS wrote: > 2013/7/29 Fred Cooke > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Baptiste MATHUS wrote: > > &

Re: Release Maven 3.1.1

2013-07-29 Thread Fred Cooke
Jason, there seems to be no trace of either the new or old tag for 3.1.1 on either ASF server or github. Did you push it? Did you not push it on purpose? What are your plans for tags until the release plugin is updated to allow creation of suffixed tags during the release to be supplemented by a f

Re: Release Maven 3.1.1

2013-07-29 Thread Fred Cooke
> > I have not attempted to release 3.1.1 and I have not sent out any release > vote. I do intend to add what Sebb suggested by adding the revision. > > On Jul 29, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Fred Cooke wrote: > > > Jason, there seems to be no trace of either the new or old tag for 3.1.

Re: [DISCUSS] On the Maven PMC roles... (was [DISCUSS] Should the Maven PMC be an example of how we want the Maven Community to behave...)

2013-08-02 Thread Fred Cooke
Are definitions of cat A and B and others listed anywhere? I searched but failed. I assume Cat A = permissive and Cat B = copyleft? or? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Stephen Connolly < stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > Correct. And it would be subject to the same CTR and potential vet

Re: [DISCUSS] On the Maven PMC roles... (was [DISCUSS] Should the Maven PMC be an example of how we want the Maven Community to behave...)

2013-08-02 Thread Fred Cooke
at 7:39 PM, Stephen Connolly < stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > Google: Apache third party licenses > > Should work on lucky... Or look at the head revision where I added the > link. > > There is a 3rd category: Category X... Eg GPL, which we are not allowed to > u

Re: What is the correct Git SCM URL for a branch?

2013-08-10 Thread Fred Cooke
Please keep such information leakage optional. The editing of, and indeed adding of, the "tag" element by the release plugin should already be optional IMO. Especially if it breaks formatting of the POM, which it does in some cases, at least. And yeah, I know why, and I know it's not a trivial fix.

Re: What is the correct Git SCM URL for a branch?

2013-08-10 Thread Fred Cooke
wrote: > On 10 August 2013 23:06, Fred Cooke wrote: > > Please keep such information leakage optional. The editing of, and indeed > > adding of, the "tag" element by the release plugin should already be > > optional IMO. > > Why? > With such information I know

Re: What is the correct Git SCM URL for a branch?

2013-08-10 Thread Fred Cooke
eople use > > false and > > true > > > > Which renders most of the stuff useless in GIT. > > > > LieGrue, > > strub > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > >> From: Fred Cooke > >> To: M

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-13 Thread Fred Cooke
Where, and also when; don't forget that. This is old news, but a pat on sebb's back for beating the stick regardless of how much it seems to irritate everyone to hear that noise. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:30 AM, sebb wrote: > > On 12 Au

Re: [VOTE] Release Maven Surefire Plugin version 2.16

2013-08-14 Thread Fred Cooke
Just saw your tag, BIG +1 for me, on no basis other than you seem to care about the quality of your work. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Andreas Gudian wrote: > Anyone? > > If I can't collect the results today, I won't be able to do it for another > week or so. > > Am Sonntag, 11. August 2013 s

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-14 Thread Fred Cooke
It's NOT trolling... If you feel trolled, grow some skin. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > On 15 August 2013 08:53, sebb wrote: > > On 14 August 2013 21:21, Dennis Lundberg wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:47 AM, sebb wrote: > >> > >>> On 13 August 2013 18:58, Denn

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-15 Thread Fred Cooke
Dennis, effectively what is required is a statement like this: "I believe that I've released XYZ binaries from ABC sources (tarball + N patches, SCM, whatever)" with enough info to exactly identify what XYZ and ABC are (checksums, URLs, revisions, etc) without guessing and duplicated research/looki

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-15 Thread Fred Cooke
> > Right so far? > No, you're not. Step three, in SVN, requires reviewing history to confirm no changes were made to that URL *ever*. In Git, step 3 involves knowing the hash, as spurious tags have already been known to circulate. Even if all of the details were in the POM, the question still re

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-15 Thread Fred Cooke
ence. :-/ Fred. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Fred Cooke wrote: > > > > > > > Right so far? > > > > > > > No, you're not. Step three, in SVN, requires reviewing history to confirm >

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-15 Thread Fred Cooke
n about what it takes to do that. No, wait. Sebb and Jason already have that nailed the down. Good men, those two. Fred. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:21 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: > Hi Fred, > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Fred Cooke wrote: > > > Actually, I misse

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-15 Thread Fred Cooke
It's funny that you cite "no time" and use the equivalent of 299.5 6 digit revision numbers to send us an email on your lack of time. You could have done 299 releases to Sebb's quite reasonable standards with that much keyboard activity. Point made? :-p On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:14 AM, Olivier Lam

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-15 Thread Fred Cooke
sibly, Fred On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Barrie Treloar wrote: > On 16 August 2013 08:54, Fred Cooke wrote: > > It's funny that you cite "no time" and use the equivalent of 299.5 6 > digit > > revision numbers to send us an email on your lack of time. You c

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-16 Thread Fred Cooke
Dennis, I've been using (and mostly loving) the release plugin/process for the better part of a decade and certainly claim to understand it well. I don't see how my knowledge of that (or Sebb's perceived lack of knowledge of that) is in any way relevant. The release plugin means it's harder to do s

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-16 Thread Fred Cooke
Dennis, of course source bundles will contain URLs and hashes and revisions and so forth, and the chance of those being mismatched is approximately zero. That's not the point. The point (for me, at least) is what did you INTEND to release, and does THAT match what is actually found in the bundle (

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Model Converter version 2.3

2013-08-16 Thread Fred Cooke
e huge overkill. On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Stephen Connolly < stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > That sounds like you are looking for the SHA1 sum of the source bundle to > be included in the vote email. Which would seem perfectly reasonable to me. > > > >

Re: What is the correct Git SCM URL for a branch?

2013-08-24 Thread Fred Cooke
I understood that the purpose of the SCM *URL* was to be able to *use* it with a tool (where browser != tool), as such, there is only one correct URL, the rest are paths for browsing on a file system or web-front end. I did this knowing it would fail to illustrate the point: fred@cheetah:~/workspa

Re: What is the correct Git SCM URL for a branch?

2013-08-24 Thread Fred Cooke
, Aug 24, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Baptiste Mathus wrote: > See http://maven.apache.org/pom.html#SCM Hervé is talking about > xpath:/SCM/url which is indeed a scm web ui and said (developer)Connection > would be discussed in another thread. > > Cheers > Le 24 août 2013 16:57, "Fr

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-14 Thread Fred Cooke
You're in Git now. You don't *have* to push your tag and release commits up to the public world until AFTER you've checked they're OK. Or by failed release do you mean voted down? They could live on branches until set in stone, then merge --ff-only into master at that point, if so. On Sat, Sep 14

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-14 Thread Fred Cooke
practice too. I'm using it also at work and we are doing our > >> releases on dedicated branches. > >> > >> - > >> Arnaud > >> > >> Le 14 sept. 2013 à 19:30, Fred Cooke a écrit : > >> > >>> You're i

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-14 Thread Fred Cooke
tags would be allowed on this repo. Might be a way to tackle this on > ASF hardware without forcing people to use another repo hosting. > > LieGrue, > strub > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Fred Cooke > > To: Maven Developers List >

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-14 Thread Fred Cooke
- Original Message - > > >> From: Arnaud Héritier > > >> To: Maven Developers List > > >> Cc: > > >> Sent: Saturday, 14 September 2013, 19:45 > > >> Subject: Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT > > >> > >

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-14 Thread Fred Cooke
would be broken - or would need to get maintained manually. > > > > > > LieGrue, > > strub > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > >> From: Fred Cooke > >> To: Maven Developers List > >> Cc: > >> Sent: Saturda

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-14 Thread Fred Cooke
x27;s mainly because the maintenance and housekeeping costs on > > >> the JIRA front and others which use the version nr as reference. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Imagine that you would need to move all the JIRA tickets which got > > >> marked as fixed

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-14 Thread Fred Cooke
aps. Call me provincial, but I'd like to do what we've always done since > the inception of the project unless there is a compelling reason to do > otherwise. > > On Sep 14, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Fred Cooke wrote: > > > Jason, PLEASE understand that you do NOT have a single

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-15 Thread Fred Cooke
* we would allow gaps, we should also introduce LTS releases. > > For now, I'd prefer reusing versions and no gaps. I don't mind deleting > tags, otherwise I'd prefer the usage of RCx during votes. > > Robert > > Op Sun, 15 Sep 2013 02:05:55 +0200 schreef Fred

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-15 Thread Fred Cooke
s. > > > > For now, I'd prefer reusing versions and no gaps. I don't mind deleting > > tags, otherwise I'd prefer the usage of RCx during votes. > > > > Robert > > > > Op Sun, 15 Sep 2013 02:05:55 +0200 schreef Fred Cooke < > > fred.c

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-15 Thread Fred Cooke
> work on core to continue without having to coordinate a "nobody commit to > master while vote in play" policy which seems completely against how one > should use GIT > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 15 Sep 2013, at 12:30, Fred Cooke wrote: > &

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-16 Thread Fred Cooke
Version ranges are extremely useful for this case: lib 0.2.4 >> 0.3.0 non inclusive where lib has a guaranteed stable API with only non-breaking bug fixes and additions. There are other uses, too. I sincerely hope it's never dropped or broken. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Stephen Connolly <

Re: Leaving Maven Core POMs at major.minor-SNAPSHOT

2013-09-16 Thread Fred Cooke
Fair call. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Stephen Connolly < stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 16 September 2013 12:26, Fred Cooke wrote: > > > Version ranges are extremely useful for this case: lib 0.2.4 >> 0.3.0 non > > inclusive where lib has a g

Re: [VOTE] Release Maven 3.1.1

2013-10-03 Thread Fred Cooke
+1 even if I'm late to the epic party. Love the sebbaliser, great work, and sense of humour, Jason! Dislike his lack of enthusiasm for the name. I'd have bragged about it for years if you'd called it the fredaliser :-) Unfortunately I am too busy to continue nagging. Good on sebb for picking up the

Re: [ANN] Maven 3.1.1 Release

2013-10-04 Thread Fred Cooke
Congratulations, Jason! :-) On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > Hi! > > The Apache Maven Team is pleased to announce the release of 3.1.1 > > The release notes can be found here: > http://maven.apache.org/docs/3.1.1/release-notes.html > > The release can be downloaded from:

Re: Maven Core moving to 1.6

2013-10-07 Thread Fred Cooke
+1 too, 1.5 is dead for me. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: > +1 to 1.6 for 3.2 > > On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > > Given the vote we had about releases after September does anyone mind if > I update the source/target levels to 1.6 for the core? >

Re: [VOTE] Apache Maven SCM 1.9

2013-10-24 Thread Fred Cooke
+1 list looks good. Beware of jgit and symlinks, though, you can end up with a lot of disk and cpu churn because of it if not careful. On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > Hi, > We fixed 9 issues. The new feature is the jgit provider (based on jgit). > Details: > http://jira.

Re: Convert everything to Git

2014-02-12 Thread Fred Cooke
I like you more and more! :-) On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > Can we start the process of converting everything to Git. I don't really > see any benefit in using Subversion any longer. > > If so then we should just get together for a day and convert them and then > get i

Re: Convert everything to Git

2014-02-12 Thread Fred Cooke
The SVN repo should probably be retained anyway, just in RO format, and with a new URL that indicates it shouldn't be used. You can try to retain all history, but it's never quite in the same form, really. Perhaps no one cares, though? +1 for decompose into individual repos. Fred. PS, perhaps on

Re: Convert everything to Git

2014-02-13 Thread Fred Cooke
Great posts, Jason! There are so many reasons to dump SVN, but controlled branch sharing and personal work flow are big ones for me, too. I have a dozen or more local branches of my project, too, and like you, I rebase against what I publish until they're ready, then publish them, and rebase the ot

Re: Convert everything to Git

2014-02-13 Thread Fred Cooke
I have my private git repo setup in a nested way. No reason you couldn't do that the same for this. baseurl/org/apache/mvn/core/componentA.git etc. Unsure if this addresses your concerns or not, but it's certainly neat and tidy at the server end, and the user can duplicate the path structure the

Re: Convert everything to Git

2014-02-14 Thread Fred Cooke
on is on ASF > > (canonical) > > > git > > > repo [1] > > > at the moment, everything seems flat > > > IMHO, some git expert should work with infra to make it more structured > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Hervé > > > >

Re: Towards faster releases

2014-02-18 Thread Fred Cooke
Perhaps a stupid question, however if no change goes in, and it kicks off and gives the same gold star as the previous week, then there's no point to releasing it, because it's the same thing, what takes care of this? Just the human going "well, actually there were no commits, so this email is spur

Re: Towards faster releases

2014-02-19 Thread Fred Cooke
these things. Fred. On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Stephen Connolly < stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 18 February 2014 22:49, Fred Cooke wrote: > > > Perhaps a stupid question, however if no change goes in, and it kicks off > > and gives the same gold st

Re: Towards faster releases

2014-02-19 Thread Fred Cooke
shake :-) On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Stephen Connolly < stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 19 February 2014 10:13, Fred Cooke wrote: > > > You missed the point. No-change commits include: > > > >- Clean up white space > >- Fix some co

Re: Convert everything to Git

2014-02-20 Thread Fred Cooke
The entire SCM interface is very SVN-centric IMO. I raised a number of git related m-rel-p issues some time ago, but have been busy moving countries and more in the mean time. I doubt there has been progress on them, though. One pretty much required a core change to Maven (perhaps something for 4.0

Re: Convert everything to Git

2014-02-20 Thread Fred Cooke
+ +org.apache.maven.wagon +wagon-ssh-external +${extension.version.wagon} + It was SSH settings that were not being respected. Things like ports and ssh hosts vs DNS lookups, etc. There were other issues with multi-module-par

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