Re: [Discuss] Cutting Geode 1.14

2020-07-20 Thread Owen Nichols
Current schedule for cutting support branches is: Aug 3, 2020: cut support/1.14 Nov 2, 2020: cut support/1.15 Feb 1, 2021: cut support/1.16 May 3, 2021: cut support/1.17 I have a hard time understanding how anyone can trust that our schedule is "time-based" if we can change the dates at the last

Re: [Discuss] Cutting Geode 1.14

2020-07-20 Thread Alexander Murmann
Hi Owen, I am not proposing to abandon our time-based releases. It's unprecedented for one of our releases to take this long. Even if we were to cut the release now, it would likely not receive any attention till 1.13 is out. So I don't think there is any benefit in cutting the release now. In add

Re: [Discuss] Cutting Geode 1.14

2020-07-20 Thread Owen Nichols
The Geode community adopted a time-based quarterly cadence two years ago in the hope it would lead to higher stability and more predictable releases. The idea was that by knowing exactly when a branch cut is upcoming, developers will hold off on high-risk changes and focus more on hardening as

Re: [Discuss] Cutting Geode 1.14

2020-07-20 Thread Alexander Murmann
I think re-cutting 1.13 from current develop is interesting, but I think I agree with Donal that the amount of additional risk might not be worth it. Geode 1.13 already has some cool new features like SNI support that I believe some users have been waiting for and I'd hate to not get that out for a

Re: [Discuss] Cutting Geode 1.14

2020-07-20 Thread Donal Evans
+1 to postponing 1.14. Given the limited resources we have in terms of people who shepherd the release process and ensure the quality of what we end up releasing, it would put an unsustainable amount of strain on those who have already been working extremely hard on getting 1.13 finished if we

Re: [Discuss] Cutting Geode 1.14

2020-07-20 Thread Mark Hanson
Playing devil's advocate here, but I think the reason we would not like to move to 1.14 would be that we have a ton testing already in to quantify issues on 1.13 and 1.14 would be (a bit) of an unknown quantity. Further, the core issues that we are waiting on for 1.13 are presumable 1.14 issues

Re: [Discuss] Cutting Geode 1.14

2020-07-20 Thread Jacob Barrett
Alternatively, why not abandon 1.13 and try again with 1.14? > On Jul 20, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Alexander Murmann wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > TL;DR: Let's discuss 1.14 once 1.13 is out. > > If we stick to our cadence of cutting a release every 3 months and shipping > it 1 month later, 1.14 is due

[Discuss] Cutting Geode 1.14

2020-07-20 Thread Alexander Murmann
Hi everyone, TL;DR: Let's discuss 1.14 once 1.13 is out. If we stick to our cadence of cutting a release every 3 months and shipping it 1 month later, 1.14 is due to be cut two weeks from today. However, we haven't shipped 1.13 yet and are still struggling with some issues. I suggest that we pos