Re: active programs overview

2003-01-27 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 01:11:41PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 09:52, Joris Huizer wrote: > > Hello, > > > > What is the program to use when I want to know which > > programs are running ? > > $ ps -ax > $ ps -axf > $ ps -axf --cols=`echo $COLUMNS` I hate to nitpick, but al

Re: Speculation: Debian GNU/Watch

2003-01-27 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 01:27:33PM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: > Overcoming your typical limitations of watches, the Debian GNU/Watch is > a new, open source solution to portable timekeeping. A multi-user > solution, multiple people can elect to wear the same watch, and for one > person, it could b

Re: redirect of "ls --color" causes problems

2003-01-27 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 08:38:12AM +0100, Lukas Ruf wrote: > * Vineet Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-26 08:29]: > > * David Z Maze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030125 20:14]: > > > So while bash and zsh have aliases, you can't actually do much with > > > them. > > > What's the problem with tcsh? > >

Re: what's fstype 83? &quot;Linux&quot;?

2003-01-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:20:40PM -0800, nate wrote: > will trillich said: > > > files on /dev/hdb2 have modification times no later than > > september 2000 -- pre-ext3 by a long shot. and i'm *positive* > > i've never even tried reiserfs, certainly not two-and-a-half > > years ago. wasn't ext2 t

Re: Slang for money [was: Re: Backup Consensus?]

2003-01-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 04:13:56PM +, Pigeon wrote: > I tend to use terms like "quid" or "pound" because I still expect > pound (£) signs to be turned into hash (#) signs by non-British > equipment. To make matters worse, Americans sometimes call hash signs > pound signs, so asking "did my poun

Re: what's fstype 83? &quot;Linux&quot;?

2003-01-29 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 03:37:50AM -0600, will trillich wrote: > On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 10:17:03AM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:20:40PM -0800, nate wrote: > > > will trillich said: > > > > files on /dev/hdb2 have modification times n

Re: very very strange bash/sed bug !!

2003-01-29 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 11:52:36AM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote: > Hi, > > it's been a loong time I have a bug on my system: ./libtool is > incorrectly generated by ./configure. I haven't been able to correct it > for months. > > Today I discovered where lies the bug: it's somewhere between bash an

Re: find a command i have recently used in bash

2003-01-29 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 07:51:07PM +0530, Sandip P Deshmukh wrote: > hello all > > i am sure there must be a way of doing it. i am not getting it though. > > let us say, i have done ls -l , etc etc > then i have done a few more commands at the prompt. > > now, i want to use that ls command again

Re: cdrecord exit status 254

2003-01-30 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 07:28:56PM -0600, Jason Pepas wrote: > > You know that without knowing anything about your cdrecord > > (pts/8)jason@marsala:~$ dpkg -l | grep cdrecord > ii cdrecord 1.10+11a34-1 A command line CD/DVD writing tool > > > or Debian version > > (pts/8)jason@marsala:

Re: Slang for money [was: Re: Backup Consensus?]

2003-01-30 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 10:08:29AM -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > A pound sterling is so-called because it was originally the value of a > pound of "sterling" silver. sterling comes from Easterling which is what > German Hanseatic merchants were called during the middle ages. I need to read less

Re: SCSI CD-ROM disappeared

2003-01-30 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 01:00:47PM -0800, nate wrote: > On systems with a single SCSI cdrom I have never seen the device assigned > a /dev entry other then /dev/scd0. Uh, here it's /dev/sr0 (you're still on 2.2.x IIRC). -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Avoid gunfi

Re: list delay

2003-01-31 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 08:36:01PM -0600, Jason Pepas wrote: > On Thursday 30 January 2003 06:15 pm, Michael Wardle wrote: > > Hi > > > > I've only recently subscribed to debian-user, and I notice that I > > receive messages sent to the list 4 or 5 hours after they have been > > sent. Among other

Re: apt-get --compile source gcc-2.95: test suite failures

2003-01-31 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 04:06:10PM +, Pigeon wrote: > AARGH! > > Just ran the test suite on the "real" gcc-2.95, ie. the precompiled > binary from the woody .deb ... > > IT GIVES THE SAME NUMBER OF UNEXPECTED FAILURES!!! > > So it looks as though I might as well go ahead and install the i686

Re: list delay

2003-01-31 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 05:37:09PM +, Sean Burlington wrote: > Nathan E Norman wrote: [ snip ] > >I'm sure if someone donated a more powerful machine and more > >bandwidth, it would help. > > > >I've some opinions for slowness: > > > >1) Overall

Re: initrd -- what exactly is it?

2003-01-31 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 12:42:22PM -0800, nate wrote: > Matt Price said: > > hi there, > > > > can someone help me figure out what exactly initrd is, and why > > kernels use it? I have looked through the docs, and I understand that > > it's thefile used for an initial ramdisk in some cases, but I

Re: pppd on demand trouble

2003-01-31 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 04:59:13PM -0600, Donald Spoon wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > >Donald Spoon writes: > > > >-Snip- < > >>It uses the presence of this file as a "trigger" to decide whether to > >>start the pppd program in the demand mode at boot time or not. > > > > > >No. It uses the presenc

Re: Root partition stuck in read-only mode.

2003-01-31 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 08:13:03PM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: [ snip ] > The problem is that yesterday, my root file partition started booting > up read-only. Because /var and /tmp are on that partition, my system > is virtually useless. [ snip ] > A while ago, I had changed my /etc/fstab by

Re: Root partition stuck in read-only mode.

2003-01-31 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 11:59:28PM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: > Thanks for your help. This solved the immediate problem ... > > Quoting Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > [ ... ] > > > > 1) You cannot remount / because other filesystems are mounted o

Re: list delay

2003-02-01 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 09:20:46PM -0900, Andy wrote: > > OTOH there's no argument that the debian list server is probably in > > need of an upgrade. I've no idea what they've got right now, but I'm > > sure donations will be accepted :-) > > WellI will be the first to step up to the plate!

Re: Transfering my system to a new disk (was: Root partition stuck in read-only mode.)

2003-02-01 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 01:29:53AM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: > Quoting Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 11:59:28PM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: > > > > > > [ ... ] > > > > > > So ... now that things are so

Re: installation problem

2003-02-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 08:28:21AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi ! > > I am in the process [6th attempt] of trying to install/configure Debian > 3.0 - this particular attempt is via LXF Cover disk but even with my previous > attempts; using both DVD and CD-ROM media the outcome has

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 07:13:02AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > We're now farther away from 2001 than Arthur C. Clarke > and Stanley Kubrick was in 1968. I really don't see how that can be true (though where is that orbiting hotel, anyway?) -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAI

Re: XFree86 display problems

2003-02-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 09:00:11PM +0100, Joakim Hove wrote: > Another tip when you are battling X startup problems: > > bash% startx 2> /tmp/x.error > > will send standard error to a file, so you can view this in peace. What will this file contain, that /var/log/XFree86.log does not? I've se

Re: What's the "debian" way to bind multiple IP addresses to a single NIC???`

2003-02-04 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 02:35:32PM +, Jason Lunz wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > I realize that Debian still defaults to 2.2.x for installation, but I > > would be also be curious to know you're supposed to bind multiple IPs to > > a single interface `the Debian way' without IP aliasing (w

Re: Translating Debian web pages

2003-02-04 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:55:04PM -0500, Radek [Debian] Z wrote: > Looking for a person coordinating translations of Debian website and docs. I > can begin translation into Polish from English, but need a little guidance. > I am not completely new to Linux, but I never volunteered for open source.

OT: humor [was: Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?]

2003-02-05 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 08:55:26PM +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: [ snip ] > Thorsten > -- > A smoking section in a restaurant is like a peeing section in a swimming pool. > - Unknown They have these sections, they're called "wading pools". :-) -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:

Re: Problems downloading Knoppix

2003-02-05 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 10:32:54PM +1100, bob parker wrote: > On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:39, Levi Waldron wrote: > > On February 4, 2003 08:13 am, bob parker wrote: > > > Well I just completed downloading Knoppix using my steam powered dial up > > > connection. > > > > > > I started on 27 January. > > >

Re: fstab entry for NTFS formatted drive

2003-02-05 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 05:04:27PM +, Doug MacFarlane wrote: > On 05 Feb 2003, 13:53:27, Rodrigo Agerri wrote: > > That remarkable Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 13:29, Doug MacFarlane wrote: > > > On 04 Feb 2003, 21:58:58, David Turetsky wrote: > > > > I have a hard drive running Windows XP Professional

Re: modem / pon / serial problems

2003-02-05 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 10:14:36PM +, Pigeon wrote: > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:50:43PM +, Pigeon wrote: > > So: the main box is 192.168.1.1, the modem box is 192.168.1.2. I add > > "gateway 192.168.1.2" to /etc/network/interfaces on the main box and > > run /etc/init.d/networking restart.

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 11:34:51PM -0600, DvB wrote: > "James Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Famine victims OK, but nobody has mentioned the people living in > > poverty in America. Boost welfare, more education funding, subsidise > > pay rises for the lowest paid workers... ooops, A

Re: Sylog Error Messages

2003-02-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 09:42:52PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 06:19:33PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > It's from scanner.abuse.blueyonder.co.uk, in fact. I guess this is the > > original poster's ISP; certainly it seems highly unlikely to be > > malicious. > > By the kin

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 09:22:33AM -0600, DvB wrote: > Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 11:34:51PM -0600, DvB wrote: > > > "James Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > >

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 08:16:31PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 05:46:12PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: > > Where the hell do you think the money came from? If an investor can't > > expect a return, why should he put himself at risk? > > It's basically gambling picking a stoc

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 12:51:25AM -0600, DvB wrote: > Gary Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > DvB wrote: > > > > >Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > >> Yeah, after all it's not their money .. they just wor

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:41:01AM +, Pigeon wrote: > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 02:37:53PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > Pigeon writes: > > > It would be under tension, because the upper station is outside the > > > geosynchronous orbit. So the bit above the break would fly off into > > > space,

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 11:18:47PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 12:40:36AM -0600, DvB wrote: > > Once again, if cutting taxes is going to put the government $300B in the > > hole, they need to cut some programs and I don't think there're many > > that can be justified being

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 11:08:17PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: > Haha, wow. I would love to see one of those on Cape Cod, where a > single, normal "rotary" can back up traffic all the way to Boston > (because most Americans can't figure out how to drive in a circle, > apparently). s/in a circle//

Re: [OT] SpamCop.net

2003-02-08 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 11:41:20AM -0900, Andy wrote: > That is good stuff to know but I still believe spam needs to be reported to > the source network. If the ISP's don't know how they are being used by the > spammers then how can they help stop the SPAM? Of course there will always > be com

Re: Packaging system and non-Debian packages [was: Re: lm_sensors]

2003-02-08 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 03:49:57PM +, Pigeon wrote: > It would be useful to know how to do this in the more general case, > where there isn't a convenient command like make-kpkg. > > My particular case is X 4.2.0, which I downloaded the source of and > compiled for slink, then for woody when I

Re: modem / pon / serial problems

2003-02-08 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 12:05:36AM +, Pigeon wrote: > On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 06:19:36PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > Install DNS caching software on the gateway (the modem box). Have all > > internal machines use the gateway as their nameserver (use a static > > r

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:59:12AM -0600, DvB wrote: > Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 09:22:33AM -0600, DvB wrote: > > > Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 06,

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 02:17:16AM -0600, DvB wrote: > Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 12:51:25AM -0600, DvB wrote: > > > Gary Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > DvB wrote: > &

Re: More detailed post ...

2003-02-10 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 02:38:25PM -0500, Fred Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 02:50, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > This isn't standard, nor is it a good idea. (Yahoo Groups is the only > > place I know of that still uses it). > > > > mailman and ezmlm both do this. i'm not sure if it is the

Re: More detailed post ...

2003-02-10 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 06:59:59PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 01:02:46PM -0500, Daniel Barclay wrote: > > > >(By the way, where is that message header defined? I just searched > > > >through all the IETF RfCs but couldn't find it.) > > > > > > Whatever the RFCs say, ...

Re: Packaging system and non-Debian packages [was: Re: lm_sensors]

2003-02-10 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 05:05:27AM +, Pigeon wrote: > On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 02:09:04AM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 03:49:57PM +, Pigeon wrote: > > > It would be useful to know how to do this in the more general case, > > > whe

Re: Mutt Save-Hook Help

2003-02-10 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 04:26:11PM -0800, Curtis Spencer wrote: > On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 01:00:19AM +0100, Christian Arthaber wrote: > > would exactly do you want? you're save-hook should make mutt to save > > the message into folder debian as soon as you are on the message and > > press 's'. if y

Re: OT--How to ask aquestion, an example

2003-02-10 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 10:14:47PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: > While Googlin' for a similar error I ran across this post. It struck me > as a near perfect example of how to do it. Interestingly, ESR, of > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html fame was the first > respondent :) Consi

Re: More detailed post ...

2003-02-11 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 12:17:25PM +0100, Yven Johannes Leist wrote: > On Monday 10 February 2003 10:28, martin f krafft wrote: > > also sprach Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.02.10.0354 +0100]: > > > > Nobody said to drop features. You are adding. We are not even going to > > > > start to

Re: X windows w/ no screen error

2003-02-11 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 11:03:38AM -0700, Cameron Matheson wrote: > On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 11:06:50AM -0500, iggy wrote: > > I tried running it several times. > > I think I know what my error is. > > I'm probably inputing the > > incorrect address for the > > video card. lspci -vv states > > tha

Re: Woody installer

2003-02-11 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 03:39:41PM +0100, Lukas Ruf wrote: > * Kesav Tadimeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-11 15:37]: > > > I am thinking of installing Debian. I do not, however, want to spend too > > much time doing that. I have installed FreeBSD 4.3 before, so I'd like to > > know if Debian (Woo

Re: hfs support in 2.4.20

2003-02-11 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 01:10:14PM -0800, Ric Otte wrote: > I downloaded 2.4.20 from www.kernel.org and am trying to compile it with > hfs file support (so I can read disks given to me written on a mac). > When I type 'make menuconfig' I do not get the option of compiling hfs > file support. It ha

Re: how the fuck do I unsubscribe

2003-02-13 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 04:52:58PM -0600, Nathan Poznick wrote: > Thus spake Fer'had Erdogan: > > I have been trying to unsubscribe from this list for a few days now. > > Ended up sending an email to the list manager as well about it. Why am I > > still subscribed? Way too many emails for me to dea

Re: Using new Apple displays on Debian/Intel box?

2003-02-13 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 03:46:15PM +, Pigeon wrote: > On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 02:42:42AM -0700, Randolph S. Kahle wrote: > > I am looking at the new Apple displays (the 23" 1920x1200 display). > > > > What would I need to make this work on a Intel Pentium III box with an > > ASUS P2B-DS MB? >

Re: Iptables Help

2003-02-13 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 03:38:39AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 11:34:39PM +, Pigeon wrote: > > It would be very useful to have some script that would ask you what > > services you intended to run, and generated scripts for iptables etc. > > that ensured that only the mi

Re: Hardware IDE ATA Raid 1 support in Linux Debian - Linux disapointment

2003-02-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 01:18:39AM -, Pedro Ruivo (TRQV-DSI) wrote: [ please don't top post. ] > Thanks for you msg. > What i'd like to would be to use hardware raid, i'm used to Compaq (HPAQ) > servers whith smart array controller i thought i would get the same kind of > functionality (limi

Re: docs via www behaviour

2003-02-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 06:00:20PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote: > Hi all, > > I've just discovered something interesting - when I view docs for > my installed packages via apache, there are some files I don't see. > > I _think_, this is because apache treats files starting with > "README" special

Re: PCI graphics cards recommendations

2003-02-15 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 01:31:01PM +1300, Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote: > > "Mr Powell said he was representing "the newest country and the oldest > democracy","-Apparently Mr Powell is not aware of the Hellenic/Greek > Democray, dated around 300 BCE; when "we" coined the term. His grasp of >

Re: Exim "closing connection" for no apparent reason

2003-02-15 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 02:22:58AM +, Pigeon wrote: > On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 06:09:08PM +, Pigeon wrote: > > If I now reboot nestie and try exim -qf again, all the mails are > > forwarded to pigeon quite happily, even though there are probably many > > more than 40 (the number at which I f

Re: PCI graphics cards recommendations

2003-02-15 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 04:41:13PM +1300, Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote: > > Hi All & Nathan, > > who typed > > > > >On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 01:31:01PM +1300, Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote: > > > > > >>"Mr Powell said he was representing "the newest country and the oldest > >>democracy",

Re: PCI graphics cards recommendations

2003-02-16 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 08:01:40PM +1300, Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote: > > > Hi All & Norman, My name is Nathan. I don't mess with your name, please return the favour. Also, please learn to quote. I've fixed your quoting below. > whom typed "who" typed ... sheesh. > > >> Mi

Re: Setting progs at a runlevel

2003-02-16 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 12:59:20AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 01:09:55AM -0500, Joseph Barillari wrote: > > AFAIK, manually updating symlinks will work fine. The `debian way' is to > > use update-rc.d(8) to adjust those symlinks. > > update-rc.d is a pain enough in the as

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 02:07:15PM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 08:37, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > > On 16/02/03 Alex Malinovich did speaketh: > > > > > Personally, I generally stick to apt-get and apt-cache for most of my > > > maintenance work. But I'll never give up dse

Re: maildir vs. mbox vs. mh ???

2003-02-16 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 06:41:28AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: [ snip ] > I'm not familiar with XFS, but reiserfs (which I usually use for large > directories) uses a hash table to store entries. Insertion, deletion, > and searches are therefor largely independent of directory size, and > perf

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 09:49:18PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 02:52:33PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > There's one problem: dselect is retarded WRT "Recommends". > > You mean "was", nowadays. dpkg 1.10 fixed this long-stan

Re: Exim "closing connection" for no apparent reason

2003-02-16 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 08:14:15PM +, Pigeon wrote: > On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 10:44:06PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 02:22:58AM +, Pigeon wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 06:09:08PM +, Pigeon wrote: > > > > If I now reboot

Re: Knoppix & DemoLinux

2002-10-16 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 07:54:03PM -0400, Andy Saxena wrote: > Windows advocates complain that there's no innovation coming out of > Linux. When they can manage to run their OS on a CD, I'll believe them > :-}. Hmm. I wonder where windows folks think the icon bar next to the start button came f

Re: XFree 4.2.x question

2002-10-23 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 11:03:12AM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 02:28:11PM -0500, Nick Traxler wrote: > > Just one thing--back up /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 before you install 4.2. > > I've apt-gotten 2 revisions from unstable, and it overwrote my > > XF86Config both times. Pretty an

Re: Mailing list software for debian.org

2002-10-21 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:54:07AM -0700, Mike Egglestone wrote: [headers] From: Mike Egglestone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mike Egglestone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What the heck? You Bcc:ed the list? This makes it difficult to use most sane email programs to respond to you. > Quoting Mike Egglestone

Re: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot

2002-10-22 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 05:08:12PM -0400, Justin F. Knotzke wrote: > On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 03:46:37PM -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote: > > > It's being done, frighteningly enough. See http://freshrpms.net/ > > According to their examples, being done quite well at that. Surely > there must be lim

Re: cd writing on Debian

2002-10-24 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 08:12:24AM +0100, Paul Lewis wrote: > I would like to install cdtoaster / cdroast to burn CDs, but whenever I > try to 'apt-get install cdroast' it reports no such package. Trying > 'cdrecord' tells me there are unmet dependencies. > > liblircclient0, libunicode0, libzvbi

Re: Checking on Spam: -- Account:

2002-10-27 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 07:33:54PM -0500, Tom Allison wrote: > I've run into a really interesting piece of spam here. > > If you notice, there is a tagline: X-Spam-Status > which is very much like those delivered by spamassassin. > > Here's the interesting thing. > I don't have spamassassin activ

Re: creating /dev/hd[m-t]

2002-11-04 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 02:54:09PM -0500, Sven Heinicke wrote: > With woody, I got a system with 20 IDE drives (5 IDE cards). The kernel > in finding all of them but /dev/MAKEDEV seems to only know how to make > up to /dev/hdl: > > ds2:/dev# ./MAKEDEV hdl > ds2:/dev# ./MAKEDEV hdm > ./MAKEDEV: do

Re: multi-TB diskarrays ???

2002-11-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 06:47:50PM -0600, Michael D. Schleif wrote: > > "Michael D. Schleif" wrote: > > > > Having never done this with linux, I'm asking this at the lowest > > possible level to facilitate very exhaustive research: > > > > What do I need to know to design a debian fileserver att

Re: premature cp exit?

2002-11-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:15:08PM -0500, Try KDE wrote: [ nice real name, Señor KDE ... ] > Hi, > > I've just observed something interesting on my PC. My machine is a > AMD1800+ with 1GB RAM, kernel 2.4.18. I have a floppy disk: >$ mkdosfs /dev/fd0 1440 >$ mount /mnt/floppy >$ cp

Re: Booting Linux from windows 2000

2002-11-09 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 02:39:33AM -0500, Scott Henson wrote: > On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 14:18, Pigeon wrote: > > It is true that Windoze doesn't like changes to the MBR. To hack the > > Win98 MBR I had to include code to put the original MBR back after the > > hack had done its work, then make Windoz

Re: Disk boot failure

2002-11-09 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 09:21:26PM +0100, Helgi Örn Helgason wrote: > On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 20:16, Pigeon wrote: > > You haven't got a bootable partition on the hard drive, and it sounds > > like your BIOS is set to boot from the hard drive and not the floppy. > > > > Go into BIOS Setup (press DEL

Re: disable auto logoff

2002-11-09 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 10:34:35AM -0600, Shyamal Prasad wrote: > "Bob" == Bob Proulx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Bob> If you are logged in across the network then likely the TCP > Bob> stack is idling you out. You may need to set a keepalive. > > Bob, > > I'm curious to know if

Re: UNIX shells - Bourne and C

2002-11-09 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 06:39:51PM -0500, Joshua Lee wrote: > On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 06:19:53PM -0500, Bruce Park wrote: > > Just wanted to know, does debian linux include the Bourne and C shell? In > > redhat, they are a symbolic link to bash and tcsh respectively. > > You can install ash, the

Re: [OT] Moving away from KDE to what?

2002-11-12 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 08:01:01AM -0800, Jeff wrote: > > The .deb file is 3.8MB, I don't know how much total space it adds but > I'd guess at less than 15MB. $ apt-cache show xfc ... Installed-Size: 9892 I'm guessing that value is kBytes (KiB, whatever :) -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Network

Re: What absolutely must stay on the physical root partition?

2002-11-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 12:16:32AM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote: > I just added a volume manager, and now that I can I would like > separate out my filesystem into different chunks (volume; these are > just virtual partitions if you're unfamiliar with the concept). > Currently my system consists of a s

Re: argh! aptitude/dselect/apt-get dieing????

2002-11-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 11:54:51AM -0600, Mark A. Bialik wrote: > Colin Watson wrote: > > > This may sound callous, but those "some people" - or at least those > > people who *can* fix it, perhaps not trivially easily - are the only > > people who should be using unstable. > > ... and there are s

Re: perl lint

2002-11-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 10:54:23AM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote: > Michael Heironimus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 08:02:14PM -0500, Tom Allison wrote: > > > is there something to clean up perl code similar to other "lint" > > > type applications? > > > > The -w fla

Re: argh! aptitude/dselect/apt-get dieing????

2002-11-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 04:17:33PM -0500, Robert L. Harris wrote: > > > Very nice writeup. > > Question, what if you want foo from unstable and it requires a version > of bar in unstable but your existing bar is from testing? What if bar > isn't installed at all and the requirement is going to

Re: Directory permissions

2002-11-18 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 12:51:05PM -0500, sean finney wrote: > that brings up a question i've been wondering: is the FHS merely a > guideline that debian packages follow, or is it something that debian > users are also strongly recommended to follow as well? granted i might > be a hypocrite for n

Re: locating the source for hdd activity

2002-11-18 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 11:07:44AM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-18 11:45:01 -0600]: > > > this problem, but generally using a journaling file system on a laptop > > > is a Bad Idea (TM). > > > > Because of battery drain? > > Yes. One way to reduce battery d

Re: bind8 vs bind9

2002-11-18 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:38:13PM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > At 2002-11-18T18:12:13Z, "Gary Hennigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > ...if security is *the* major concern in a DNS installation it's probably > > a good idea to stay away from BIND altogether. > > I'd disagree for one main

Re: Computers

2002-11-18 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 02:59:37PM -0600, Steve Waterman wrote: > Glenn: > > Are we going to purchase two computers for Kim Wallace and Jim Vanderslice? Nah, let's give them etch-a-sketches instead. Think they'll notice? -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What's n

Re: bind8 vs bind9

2002-11-18 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 04:28:13PM -0500, Alan Shutko wrote: > Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Uh, of course tinydns (sic; it's really djbdns) is open source. > > Perhaps you meant to say _DFSG Free_ ? > > They originally meant the same th

Re: bind8 vs bind9

2002-11-18 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 04:28:13PM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > At 2002-11-18T21:11:23Z, Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Uh, of course tinydns (sic; it's really djbdns) is open source. Perhaps > > you meant to say _DFSG Free_ ? > > N

Re: bind8 vs bind9

2002-11-18 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 03:24:22PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 03:11:23PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:38:13PM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > > > > > At 2002-11-18T18:12:13Z, "Gary Hennigan" <[EMAIL

Re: Procmail + debian +Qmail........and amavis

2002-11-19 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 04:41:12PM -0500, 'sean finney' wrote: > On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 07:53:08PM -, Mikael Jirari wrote: > > Thank you :) > > > > But you're not using qmail are you ? > > nope... i just assumed that qmail also paid attention to .forward > files. was i wrong with that assum

Re: Tool showing directory size of the complet drive

2002-11-20 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 06:50:18PM +, Glyn Kennington wrote: > Which brings me on to another little gripe: > Does anyone else find that files >100MB (requiring more than 8 digits in the > size column) break the alignment of ls -l's output? Example: > > drwxrwx--x2 glyn glyn 40

Re: Determining what packages are installed

2002-11-23 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:38:07PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: > Joe Riel wrote: > > > How do I determine what packages are installed? > > Or determine whether a particular package is installed? > > I can use deselect to check a particular package, > > but there probably is a better way. > > dp

Re: IPX over TCP/IP?

2002-11-23 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:45:50PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:55:46PM +0800, Patrick Hsieh wrote: > | Hello list, > | > | Is it possible to build a pptpd on Linux and make some Windows client to > | use pptp to connect to the pptpd server and connect to each o

Re: [OT] CD-R Requirements: Conspiracy

2002-11-23 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 03:39:32AM +, Pigeon wrote: > OK, but what about the hard drive? In both cases the head has to track > over the preceding sectors and switch into write mode when it gets to > the right sector to be written. OK, so one's magnetic, one's optical, > but the head servos are

Re: Hard disk support in v2.2.7

2002-11-23 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 04:34:34PM -0500, Carlos Ross wrote: > Hello, > > I have an 8.6Gb hard disk and my BIOS suports large disks, but my > version of Debian can only see 2Gb. I have installed Windows 2000 > by itself and it is able to use the entire 8.6Gb disk space; I then installed > QNX 6.1

Re: Hard disk support in v2.2.7

2002-11-23 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 05:58:01PM -0500, Carlos Ross wrote: > Nathan, > I ended up using Debian fdisk. However, first I had to boot DOS > and create a small primary partition, and then boot Debian. > This is how fdisk was able to detect 4095 cylinders. But > cfdisk kept reporting 2Gb space, and it

Re: dlt tape drive on Compaq ML370

2002-11-24 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 07:46:18PM +0800, Crispin Wellington wrote: > On Sun, 2002-11-24 at 19:41, Sebastian Schinzel wrote: > > Hi, > > > > i just installed woody on a Compaq ML370 and it works perfekt except the > > tape drive. /proc/scsi/scsi shows only "Attached devices: none". > > "Compaq S

Re: keyboard and mouse do not work in X

2002-11-25 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 01:57:28PM -0800, Mike wrote: > Hello everyone, first time poster long time troll :) I think you mean _lurker_ -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If man asks for many laws it is only because he is sure that his neighbor needs them; privatel

Re: unsubscribe

2002-11-26 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 04:21:04PM +0100, Lukas Ruf wrote: > Dear all, > > On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Christian L?pez wrote: > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > obviously, the Debian User Base disposes of

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