On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:48:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:02:08 +0100 Martin Read wrote:
> > On 12/10/14 18:13, John Hasler wrote:
> > > You have no problem with an 1800 line function?
...
> > I have a problem with 1800 line functions in general;
...
> I have no problem
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 03:33:15AM +0200, lee wrote:
> > A correct guess. A recommended minimum is kernel 3.14 - [2].
>
> So this is a rather new feature. How reliable and how well does it
> work?
I wouldn't trust my data to that feature :) It has 'experimental' and
'biohazard' labels strapped e
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:42:52PM +0200, JPT wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have an ARM hardware (ReadyNAS rn104) running debian jessie (testing).
> kernel is selfbuilt 3.16.3
>
> Since a few days the system fails to boot. Serial console breaks at a
> point where it is fiddling with disks and network.
> Net
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:24 AM, lee wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle writes:
>
>> Among other things, legitimate MTAs have MX records. Anti-spam routines
>
> Who prevents a MUA from having an MX record and sending a HELO that
> matches the RDNS entry? And what are these "other things" you're
> referrin
Hello,
I'm curious about two thing in the chromium browser package in Debian
Jessie:
- I (we?) get a message about Chromium API keys missing. Does that
avoid Chromium being able to speak with google for sync and so on? (If
yes, it's a good idea, for me)
- In the changelog, I don't see anything
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On 13/10/2014 9:04 AM, lee wrote:
> Bas Wijnen writes:
>>> Considering that the users are Debians' priority, couldn't this
>>> issue be a case in which significant concerns from/of the users
>>> about an issue might initiate a GR?
>>
>> No. Debian
Hi Florent,
Am Montag, 13. Oktober 2014, 09:43:40 schrieb Florent Peterschmitt:
> Hello,
>
> I'm curious about two thing in the chromium browser package in Debian
> Jessie:
>
> - I (we?) get a message about Chromium API keys missing. Does that
> avoid Chromium being able to speak with google fo
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:24:28 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
>
> I have an e-mail address my ISP gave me. Back almost twenty years ago,
> when the internet was still a bit safe for naive use, I put my
> isp-provided e-mail address in my home page. For the last fifteen
> years, I've had to periodically c
Hi,
lee:
> I'm sure we could find quite a few supporters for having a GR amongst
> the users (here).
We don't do a GR among our users. We do that among Debian
members/maintainers/developers/take-your-pick.
Of those, most …
* are perfectly happy with the TC's decision
* can live with it
* are unh
On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 15:42:49 -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland writes:
>
> > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:
> >> > And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts?
> > snip
> >> Egad ... I just noticed that was from a different machine... but the
> >
On 13/10/2014, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 12/10/2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Sb, 11 oct 14, 23:09:20, Bret Busby wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Definitely, I'm using my TV as external monitor sometimes. Could you
>>> > please attach your Xorg.0.log? Inlining works as well if you take care
>>> > not to break
On Sunday 12 October 2014 13:42:52 JPT wrote:
> any idea what the problem is, and how to solve?
Those with better heads than I will help you with this, but why on earth at
this time are you running Jessie headless? Surely, if you need to run
headless, it would be more sensible to use Wheezy unt
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 03:20:27PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Quite. It is ALL there. I keep hoping that something will be the basics for
> beginners (which is where we started on this thread). Teaching notes for
> college sounded great.
Also have a read of this:
http://www.debian-administra
On 13/10/2014, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 10/10/2014, Bret Busby wrote:
>> This will probably show as a new thread, due to me correcting a
>> spelling error in the Subject field of the message.
>>
>> On 08/10/2014, Joe wrote:
>>> On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 15:23:55 +0800
>>> Bret Busby wrote:
>>>
Hell
On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:06:27 +0200, lee wrote:
> Harry Putnam writes:
>
> > lee writes:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Thanks for the tips.
> >
> >>> SMTP>> EHLO 2xd
> >
> >> That's an invalid helo string.
> >
> > Is a valid one made up of just the full fqdn?
>
> See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rf
On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:12:04 +0200, lee wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland writes:
>
> > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:
> >> > And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts?
> > snip
> >> Egad ... I just noticed that was from a different machine... but the
> >> format
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:48:26PM +0200, JPT wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just wrote to the list because of a problem with the network.
> The only way left to shutdown the system is pressing the power button.
>
> But this doesn't work either:
>
> Oct 11 13:24:24 NAS kernel: [ 5309.790075] evbug: Event. D
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:32:40 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 09:05:14PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> > Among other things, legitimate MTAs have MX records.
>
> Not necessarily. In the absence of an MX record an A record is
> perfectly legitimate.
>
>
And as I've point
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:25:37 +0100
Brian wrote:
> On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:06:27 +0200, lee wrote:
>
> > Harry Putnam writes:
> >
> > > lee writes:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > Thanks for the tips.
> > >
> > >>> SMTP>> EHLO 2xd
> > >
> > >> That's an invalid helo string.
> > >
> > > Is a
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:26:02 +0100
Brian wrote:
> On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:12:04 +0200, lee wrote:
>
> > Jonathan Dowland writes:
> >
> > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:
> > >> > And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts?
> > > snip
> > >> Egad ... I just
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:11:29 +1300
Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 03:20:27PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > Quite. It is ALL there. I keep hoping that something will be the
> > basics for beginners (which is where we started on this thread).
> > Teaching notes for college sounde
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 01:20:39AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 13.10.2014 um 00:21 schrieb Michael Biebl:
> > Am 12.10.2014 um 19:01 schrieb Luca Perico:
> >> Hi
> >> After 3,14 gnome shell update (i use debian jessie) i have see synaptic
> >> p.m, very slow to show the package list at startu
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 07:14:19PM +0200, Proxy wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just installed Jessie on one of my partitions. Most of the stuff works
> just fine, but I'm having problem playing HTML5 videos on Youtube in
> Iceweasel. I can't even watch webm videos from here:
> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/deb
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 09:43:40AM +0200, Florent Peterschmitt wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm curious about two thing in the chromium browser package in Debian
> Jessie:
>
> - I (we?) get a message about Chromium API keys missing. Does that
> avoid Chromium being able to speak with google for sync and
On Monday 13 October 2014 10:11:29 Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 03:20:27PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > Quite. It is ALL there. I keep hoping that something will be the basics
> > for beginners (which is where we started on this thread). Teaching notes
> > for college sounded
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 07:51:50PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> I want to have a system which boots, and starts a subset of daemons.
>
> Then afterward I ssh to it, do something which 1) mount an encrypted
> disk, 2) start other daemons (which depends on the encrypted disk).
Personally, I'd look a
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:06:23AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Hi Florent,
>
> Am Montag, 13. Oktober 2014, 09:43:40 schrieb Florent Peterschmitt:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm curious about two thing in the chromium browser package in Debian
> > Jessie:
> >
> > - I (we?) get a message about Ch
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:48:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:02:08 +0100 Martin Read wrote:
>> > On 12/10/14 18:13, John Hasler wrote:
>> > > You have no problem with an 1800 line function?
> ...
>> > I have a pro
Le 13/10/2014 12:12, Darac Marjal a écrit :
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 07:51:50PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
>> I want to have a system which boots, and starts a subset of daemons.
>>
>> Then afterward I ssh to it, do something which 1) mount an encrypted
>> disk, 2) start other daemons (which depend
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:06:23AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Hi Florent,
>
> Am Montag, 13. Oktober 2014, 09:43:40 schrieb Florent Peterschmitt:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm curious about two thing in the chromium browser package in Debian
> > Jessie:
> >
> > - I (we?) get a message about Ch
Hi,
On 10/13/2014 12:14, Joel Rees wrote:
> Get pid 1 down to 100 lines of C, no loops, no functions called, then
> I'll be impressed.
[...]
> Setting aside initialization code, pid 1 should target less than 1000
> lines of C in the main loop. (If we were to use dash or other
> streamlined shells,
Hi,
Thorsten Glaser:
> But Debian beings are not able to distinguish between disrespect
> for actions made by some person (while at the same time holding
> the person in, somewhat grudging, respect for the other things
> they so) and disrespect for that person, all because they focus
> on the lang
Hi,
Thorsten Glaser:
> Never put “tainted” input into ksh arithmetics, period.
The problem is that there's no option akin to perl's Taint mode which tells
the shell that some operations / variable contents are OK and some are not.
Sure it's a user error, ultimately, but the system doesn't help t
On 2014-Oct-13 06:07, Stephen Allen wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 07:14:19PM +0200, Proxy wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just installed Jessie on one of my partitions. Most of the stuff works
> > just fine, but I'm having problem playing HTML5 videos on Youtube in
> > Iceweasel. I can't even watch
Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Hi,
lee:
I'm sure we could find quite a few supporters for having a GR amongst
the users (here).
We don't do a GR among our users. We do that among Debian
members/maintainers/developers/take-your-pick.
Which does kind of lead back to the question of what's the point o
On 10/13/2014 2:32 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 09:05:14PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Among other things, legitimate MTAs have MX records.
>
> Not necessarily. In the absence of an MX record an A record is perfectly
> legitimate.
>
>
Legitimate MTAs have MX records.
Le 13/10/2014 14:14, Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
> On 10/13/2014 2:32 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 09:05:14PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> Among other things, legitimate MTAs have MX records.
>> Not necessarily. In the absence of an MX record an A record is perfectly
>> leg
On 10/13/2014 5:43 AM, Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:32:40 +0100
> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 09:05:14PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> Among other things, legitimate MTAs have MX records.
>>
>> Not necessarily. In the absence of an MX record an A record is
>> per
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Those who are most impacted are sys admins of servers, and upstream developers
I’m both, and I joined Debian to try to make an impact…
> - the two communities most impacted, but that seem to have no say in the
> matter.
… but even then, am drowned by
On 10/13/2014 8:18 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 13/10/2014 14:14, Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
>> On 10/13/2014 2:32 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 09:05:14PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Among other things, legitimate MTAs have MX records.
>>> Not necessarily. In the absence
On 10/13/2014 5:25 AM, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:06:27 +0200, lee wrote:
>
>> Harry Putnam writes:
>>
>>> lee writes:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Thanks for the tips.
>>>
> SMTP>> EHLO 2xd
>>>
That's an invalid helo string.
>>>
>>> Is a valid one made up of just the full fqdn
On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 10:51:51 +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:25:37 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> > On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:06:27 +0200, lee wrote:
> >
> > > Harry Putnam writes:
> > >
> > > > lee writes:
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the tips.
> > > >
> > > >>>
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:19:37 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/13/2014 5:43 AM, Joe wrote:
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:32:40 +0100
> > Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 09:05:14PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> >>> Among other things, legitimate MTAs have MX records.
> >>
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 10/13/2014 12:14, Joel Rees wrote:
>> Get pid 1 down to 100 lines of C, no loops, no functions called, then
>> I'll be impressed.
> [...]
>> Setting aside initialization code, pid 1 should target less than 1000
>> lines of C in
On 10/13/2014 8:55 AM, Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:19:37 -0400
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> On 10/13/2014 5:43 AM, Joe wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:32:40 +0100
>>> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>>>
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 09:05:14PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Among other things
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 03:30:49PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > > This is the same reason we are using shared libraries and the Debian
> > > > > Security Team is doing it's best to track code copies.
> > > >
> > > > Consider /etc/init.d/skeleton a library then. It's sources to
> > > > any
I am not "your" user, Mister Wijnen! "I" use Debian!
http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/65684-debian-leader-says-users-can-continue-with-sysvinit
systemd-shim = Systemd!
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Am 13.10.2014 um 12:06 schrieb Stephen Allen:
> I too had experienced this, seems to be fixed as of yesterday. Thanks
> Michael.
Unfortunately, this is not fixed yet.
Apparently the start is not triggered via the xdg autostart file, as I
had originally suspected, but rather via D-Bus activation, i
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:14:29PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:48:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> >> On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:02:08 +0100 Martin Read wrote:
> >> > On 12/10/14 18:13, John Hasler wrote:
> >> > > Yo
Chris Bannister wrote:
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:14:29PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:48:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:02:08 +0100 Martin Read wrote:
On 12/10/14 18:13, John Hasler wrote:
Jerry Stuckle writes:
> On 10/13/2014 8:18 AM, Erwan David wrote:
(snip)
>> That's an error and completely idiot : big service provider use
>> different MTAs for inbound (with MX records pointing to them) and
>> outbound email.
>
> Which ones? Specific names, please.
For instance, legitimate ma
On 12/10/14 23:04, lee wrote:
Bas Wijnen writes:
Because for a GR, a member of Debian has to request it and it needs to
be seconded by at least 5 other members (constitution 4.2.1, 4.2.7).
This has not happened.
I know, and I'm suggesting to omit this requirement.
Technically, there *is* a
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 02:10:11PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> >>
> >> Which is another way of saying that you want others to have already made
> >> the mistakes for you.
> >
> > No it isn't! Ponder why most people take their car to a mechanic for
> > servicing.
>
> And you snipped:
>
> >> As long
On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 08:31:38 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/13/2014 5:25 AM, Brian wrote:
> > On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:06:27 +0200, lee wrote:
> >
> >> Harry Putnam writes:
> >>
> >>> lee writes:
> >>>
> >>> [...]
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the tips.
> >>>
> > SMTP>> EHLO 2xd
> >>>
>
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:59:24AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >lee:
> >>I'm sure we could find quite a few supporters for having a GR amongst
> >>the users (here).
> >We don't do a GR among our users. We do that among Debian
> >members/maintainers/developers
On 10/13/2014 9:49 AM, Mark Carroll wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle writes:
>
>> On 10/13/2014 8:18 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> (snip)
>>> That's an error and completely idiot : big service provider use
>>> different MTAs for inbound (with MX records pointing to them) and
>>> outbound email.
>>
>> Which ones
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 09:11:24AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/13/2014 8:55 AM, Joe wrote:
> > I've been doing this for fifteen years, Jerry.
>
> Only 15 years, Joe? I've got over twice that (actually closer to three
> times now). I was on Arpanet before there was TCP/IP, back in the 70'
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 08:28:32AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Which ones? Specific names, please.
Newcastle University, UK, at least when I worked in that section
last (a few years ago), for one.
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Chris Bannister wrote:
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:59:24AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Hi,
lee:
I'm sure we could find quite a few supporters for having a GR amongst
the users (here).
We don't do a GR among our users. We do that among Debian
members/maintainers/develo
Hi,
Miles Fidelman:
> >Judging by the last couple of months, the rest appears to number <6 people.
>
> A lot more than that, by my count.
>
Then the question is why almost all of these "lot more" people did not
second the GR proposal.
> Those who are most impacted are sys admins of servers, and
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:59:24AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Which does kind of lead back to the question of what's the point of
> a social contract that says users and their needs are the priority.
The point is that the people involved in the processes we do have: the
developers, the technic
Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Hi,
Miles Fidelman:
Judging by the last couple of months, the rest appears to number <6 people.
A lot more than that, by my count.
Then the question is why almost all of these "lot more" people did not
second the GR proposal.
Well... as a couple of people have now p
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:46:42AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> >Then the question is why almost all of these "lot more" people did not
> >second the GR proposal.
>
> Well... as a couple of people have now pointed out, at least some
> people didn't know about it.
That'
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Chris Bannister
wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 02:10:11PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Which is another way of saying that you want others to have already made
>> >> the mistakes for you.
>> >
>> > No it isn't! Ponder why most people take their car to a
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Chris Bannister
wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:14:29PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>> > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:48:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:02:08 +0100 Martin Read
Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)"):
> In reading through the archives, I have to say that the GR proposal was
> both buried in all the broader discussion of systemd, rather long and
> convoluted reading, and not well publicized.
If four other DDs send me and Matth
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 03:35:51PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 13.10.2014 um 12:06 schrieb Stephen Allen:
> > I too had experienced this, seems to be fixed as of yesterday. Thanks
> > Michael.
>
> Unfortunately, this is not fixed yet.
> Apparently the start is not triggered via the xdg autost
I really don't buy the argument that "the GR proposal was too quiet to
be noticed by 6+ people". I mean: the proposition happened to be in the
middle of the post-TC decision wave, on the mailing lists where it
belonged. The people who cared about the whole "default init for Debian"
question _we
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On 13/10/2014 11:21 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
>> Those who are most impacted are sys admins of servers, and upstream
>> developers
>
> I’m both, and I joined Debian to try to make an impact…
>
>> -
On 10/13/2014 10:36 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 08:28:32AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Which ones? Specific names, please.
>
> Newcastle University, UK, at least when I worked in that section
> last (a few years ago), for one.
>
>
And they still have their servers
Bas Wijnen wrote:
> I'll speak for myself here: I don't really care about the init system.
> I am unhappy with the emotions that this debate is causing, but I'm not
> very interested in the technical parts. From what I see on the mailing
> lists, it seems that a few users are very unhappy and they
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
I really don't buy the argument that "the GR proposal was too quiet to
be noticed by 6+ people". I mean: the proposition happened to be in the
middle of the post-TC decision wave, on the mailing lists where it
belonged. The people who cared about the whole "default ini
2014-10-13 18:23 GMT+02:00 Miles Fidelman :
> Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
>>
>> I really don't buy the argument that "the GR proposal was too quiet to
>> be noticed by 6+ people". I mean: the proposition happened to be in the
>> middle of the post-TC decision wave, on the mailing lists where it
>>
Joey Hess wrote:
Bas Wijnen wrote:
I'll speak for myself here: I don't really care about the init system.
I am unhappy with the emotions that this debate is causing, but I'm not
very interested in the technical parts. From what I see on the mailing
lists, it seems that a few users are very unha
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> In any case, users _do_ have a say. They can force their systems to remain
> on sys5 init, or switch to a different distro if that should also turn out
Which, I should add, is something we measure if the user installs
popularity-contest and opts-in to
Folks,
All the discussion about systemd, and what I perceive as a shift in
priority, for the Debian developer community, of putting desktop users
ahead of server-side users, has me
me seriously looking at:
1. maintaining my older Debian distro as long as possible
2. migrating to a new distro
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
In any case, users _do_ have a say. They can force their systems to remain
on sys5 init, or switch to a different distro if that should also turn out
Which, I should add, is something we measure if the user installs
On 2014-10-13, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> I'm really curious to know how many others here have come to a similar
> conclusion, and what folks are looking at (in my case, SmartOS is
> looking better and better).
>
Oh shit.
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It seems that there's a lot of controversy about the SysV-replacement that
should not be named. Most, if not all of the arguments for, as well as
against seem to be of a philosophical, rather than stringent technichnical
nature. As such, they are probably not suited for this list. So my question
a
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> >On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> >>In any case, users _do_ have a say. They can force their systems to remain
> >>on sys5 init, or switch to a different distro if that should also turn out
> >Which, I s
Hi,
[ Please followup on -user@, there is no need to have this on two
lists. ]
Miles Fidelman writes:
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>> http://popcon.debian.org/
>
> which sure seems to reinforce the popularity of sysvinit
>
> 18sysvinit 697126 583755 44903 6352
Slackware springs to mind.
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:18:57 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:48:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:02:08 +0100 Martin Read
> > wrote:
> > > On 12/10/14 18:13, John Hasler wrote:
> > > > You have no problem with an 1800 line function?
> ...
> > > I
At Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:23:16 -0400,
Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> >> In any case, users _do_ have a say. They can force their systems to remain
> >> on sys5 init, or switch to a different distro if that should also t
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On 14/10/2014 4:24 AM, Curt wrote:
> On 2014-10-13, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>
>> I'm really curious to know how many others here have come to a similar
>> conclusion, and what folks are looking at (in my case, SmartOS is
>> looking better and bette
Thanks Joey, for a fantastic write-up.
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Le lundi, 13 octobre 2014, 12.23:00 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
> Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > I really don't buy the argument that "the GR proposal was too quiet
> > to be noticed by 6+ people".
>
> Actually - I'd contest that, for four reasons:
>
> - as I've previously noted - the major impacts
Curt wrote:
On 2014-10-13, Miles Fidelman wrote:
I'm really curious to know how many others here have come to a similar
conclusion, and what folks are looking at (in my case, SmartOS is
looking better and better).
Oh shit.
Would you care to elaborate on that?
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:33:02 +0200
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> I really don't buy the argument that "the GR proposal was too quiet
> to be noticed by 6+ people". I mean: the proposition happened to be
> in the middle of the post-TC decision wave, on the mailing lists
> where it belonged. The pe
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:21:45 +0200
Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> > Those who are most impacted are sys admins of servers, and upstream
> > developers
>
> I’m both, and I joined Debian to try to make an impact…
>
> > - the two communities most impacted,
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:34:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> Again.. when did the desktop become the priority for Debian. For years,
> Debian (and Linux in general) has been most useful in the server
> environment. Breaking server deployments, at the expense of the desktop
> seems like bad policy.
Do
On 10/13/14, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> It seems that there's a lot of controversy about the SysV-replacement that
> should not be named. Most, if not all of the arguments for, as well as
> against seem to be of a philosophical, rather than stringent technichnical
> nature. As such, they are pr
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:34:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Again.. when did the desktop become the priority for Debian. For years,
Debian (and Linux in general) has been most useful in the server
environment. Breaking server deployments, at the expense of the desktop
seems like ba
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 10:36:17, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> And, as a couple of folks have now pointed out, a lot of developers did not
> know about the initial vote proposal.
1 (one) is not "a lot".
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:45:03 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> It seems that there's a lot of controversy about the
> SysV-replacement that should not be named. Most, if not all of the
> arguments for, as well as against seem to be of a philosophical,
> rather than stringent technichnical natur
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:13:23 +0200
Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> As [1] shows the majority of Jessie users have migrated to systemd,
> probably as an effect of GNOME starting to depend on it (around May
> 2014) and the new init package (around June 2014).
Everyone: Please, please, PLEASE read the pr
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:24:29 + (UTC)
Curt wrote:
> On 2014-10-13, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >
> > I'm really curious to know how many others here have come to a
> > similar conclusion, and what folks are looking at (in my case,
> > SmartOS is looking better and better).
> >
>
> Oh shit.
If I
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:19:51, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> This is the first attemt to send that file as an attachment.
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> [35.167] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:0416:1025:0781 rev 6, Mem @
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:47:39 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:34:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >
> > Again.. when did the desktop become the priority for Debian. For
> > years, Debian (and Linux in general) has been most useful in the
> > server environment. Breaking server dep
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:02:16 -0400
Carl Fink wrote:
> Slackware springs to mind.
Before this, I would have said that slackware sucks. From what I
understand, they're proud that their package manager doesn't support
dependencies. Sy wht?
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