Nvidia No GLX to using OpenGL...

2014-10-11 Thread Gábor Hársfalvi
Hello, I installed Nvidia drivers from https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_195.36.31 - Everyhting works but when open the OpenGL/GLX Information option on the nvidia-settings panel it sends: "Fail to query the GLX server vendor." and glxgears sends: "Xlib: extension "GLX" mis

Re: Nvidia No GLX to using OpenGL...

2014-10-11 Thread Floris
Op Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:13:55 +0200 schreef Gábor Hársfalvi : Hello, I installed Nvidia drivers from https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_195.36.31 - Everyhting works but when >open the OpenGL/GLX Information option on the nvidia-settings panel it sends: "Fail to query

Re: Prolem with external monitor

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 10 oct 14, 11:24:55, Bret Busby wrote: > > Can Debian 7 run an external monitor? Definitely, I'm using my TV as external monitor sometimes. Could you please attach your Xorg.0.log? Inlining works as well if you take care not to break long lines. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debi

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 23:31:02 +0100 Brian napísal: > On Fri 10 Oct 2014 at 21:00:41 +0200, Slavko wrote: > > [snip] > > > LANG=C aptpu libsystemd-login0 libsystemd-daemon0 > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > > [Snip] > > > cups-daemon : Depends: libsystemd-daemon0 (>= 31)

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 10 oct 14, 20:57:09, Peter Zoeller wrote: > I tell you what why don't you install Fedora the originator of this and try > to remove systemd and install sysvinit or Upstart and then we will talk. > Left Fedora for this very reason, lack of choice. As far as I understand Fedora has different

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 09 oct 14, 23:16:33, softwatt wrote: > > Instead of a mailing list, let there be an IMAP/POP account, let us call > it i...@debian.org. However, it isn't a normal IMAP account: > > - It is public, and not a traditional private imap account. > - It accepts all logins, regardless of the pa

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Martin Read
On 10/10/14 18:15, PETER ZOELLER wrote: And this is being hard coded in my opinion since it forces it to be installed as a default with no other option given and required for example if you want to use Gnome. It turns out to be the case that cases where Gnome fails to operate correctly without

Re: How to do this ?

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 10 oct 14, 19:51:50, Erwan David wrote: > I want to have a system which boots, and starts a subset of daemons. > > Then afterward I ssh to it, do something which 1) mount an encrypted > disk, 2) start other daemons (which depends on the encrypted disk). > > I know how to do this with polic

Re: Installer does not detect ethernet card

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 00:28:24, helpseekingtour...@gmx.net wrote: >Hi >Tried to re-install Debian 7.6 wheezy from USB-Stick on a Lenovo >ThinkPad T420. At the step 'Detect network hardware' pops up the >message 'No Ethernet card was detected. If you know the name of the >driver need

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 11:18:10, Martin Read wrote: > > Failure of the Debian Installer to offer a convenient mechanism for > selecting the init system to be installed can reasonably be argued to be a > bug in the installer, which you might want to consider reporting. But most likely severity 'wishlis

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 10 oct 14, 06:57:18, PETER ZOELLER wrote: > This is really ticking me off. We are becoming just like Microsoft > that one size fits all. Linux has always been about choice and > modularity and reconfigurability where a user or admin can choose that > what suits him/her and the type of s

Using PuTTY with Debian GNU/Linux Systems

2014-10-11 Thread Stephen Powell
In response to encouragement from several people on this list, I have published a new web page titled "Using PuTTY with Debian GNU/Linux Systems". It is available here: http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/putty.htm All feedback, both positive and negative, is welcome. In particular, if there

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/10/2014 at 07:53 PM, James Ensor wrote: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 7:31 PM, John Hasler > wrote: > >> James Ensor writes: >> >>> My impression is that the idea of "systemd's entanglement" has >>> been blown way out of proportion. >> >> The entanglement discussed here earlier had to do wit

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-11 Thread softwatt
On 10/11/2014 01:20 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > If you want to go forward with this I would suggest you just do it. If > some Debian Developer finds your idea interesting you could even get a > domain like imap.debian.net. Yes, I think that's the way to go. People are far more likely to adopt a

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:53:20 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 10 oct 14, 06:57:18, PETER ZOELLER wrote: > > This is really ticking me off. We are becoming just like Microsoft > > that one size fits all. Linux has always been about choice and > > modularity and reconfigurability wher

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 10 oct 14, 08:36:23, Joel Rees wrote: > > Some complexities you can encapsulate or hide, or expose in an > organized manner so that that are easier to deal with. Others, no. [big snip] The complexity argument can be used both ways: - the Unix way (do one thing and do it well) leads to ma

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 15:56:02, Reco wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:53:20 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > Linus Torvalds "only" created the Linux kernel, which is notoriously > > monolithic[1]. > > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate > > Yet, being monoli

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 15:07:31, softwatt wrote: > On 10/11/2014 01:20 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > If you want to go forward with this I would suggest you just do it. If > > some Debian Developer finds your idea interesting you could even get a > > domain like imap.debian.net. > > Yes, I think that

Re: Using PuTTY with Debian GNU/Linux Systems

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 07:34:06, Stephen Powell wrote: > The idea of a wiki article is to document how to use Debian, not how > to fix Debian. But I assume you did file bugs ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: h

Re: Using PuTTY with Debian GNU/Linux Systems

2014-10-11 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 08:44:51 -0400 (EDT), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014, 07:34:06 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: >> The idea of a wiki article is to document how to use Debian, not how >> to fix Debian. > > But I assume you did file bugs ;) Well, the fact that xterm-utf8 is mis

Re: alternative file systems

2014-10-11 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On 10/10/2014 10:20 PM, lee wrote: >> The license of ZFS makes it impossible to be part of >> the kernel per se. The DKMS system is well known for supporting kernel >> modules for video and wireless hardware among others. > So there isn't really any way to tell whether it works or not? Which > ker

Re: Prolem with external monitor

2014-10-11 Thread Bret Busby
On 11/10/2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 10 oct 14, 11:24:55, Bret Busby wrote: >> >> Can Debian 7 run an external monitor? > > Definitely, I'm using my TV as external monitor sometimes. Could you > please attach your Xorg.0.log? Inlining works as well if you take care > not to break long lin

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Reco
Добрый день. -- С уважением, Олег Слабоспицкий консультант по ПО Oracle ЗАО РДТЕХ On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 15:24:09 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 11 oct 14, 15:56:02, Reco wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:53:20 +0300 > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > Linus Torvalds "only" created the

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-11 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 15:18:58 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 10 oct 14, 08:36:23, Joel Rees wrote: > > > > Some complexities you can encapsulate or hide, or expose in an > > organized manner so that that are easier to deal with. Others, no. > > [big snip] > > The complexity argument

Re: alternative file systems (was: Re: lvm: creating a snapshot)

2014-10-11 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 03:20:50 +0200 lee wrote: > > The license of ZFS makes it impossible to be part of > > the kernel per se. The DKMS system is well known for supporting kernel > > modules for video and wireless hardware among others. > > So there isn't really any way to tell whether it w

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-11 Thread Marty
On 10/11/2014 08:18 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Is systemd (the project) trying to do too much? Possibly. Would it be better if this was done in a modular design *done right*? Probably. Yet, none of the solutions so far has *really* caught on. daemontools, runit, s6, init-ng, etc. and even upstart

Re: Prolem with external monitor

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 23:09:20, Bret Busby wrote: > > > > Definitely, I'm using my TV as external monitor sometimes. Could you > > please attach your Xorg.0.log? Inlining works as well if you take care > > not to break long lines. > > What is the path to that file? /var/log/Xorg.0.log kind regards,

Re: How to do this ?

2014-10-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:38:05 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 10 oct 14, 19:51:50, Erwan David wrote: > > I want to have a system which boots, and starts a subset of daemons. > > > > Then afterward I ssh to it, do something which 1) mount an encrypted > > disk, 2) start other daemons (which

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 12:19:29, Marty wrote: > > >Could it be that a modular design for such complex tasks becomes too > >difficult to *do it right*? > > I don't know, but I think given its history, the burden of proof is on > monolithic, not modular design. A better question may be whether a > distr

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 19:12:38, Reco wrote: > > Upstream already did it for you - [1]. Actual maximum number is 69. And > that's not compile options, that's number of resulting binaries. > > > > (no, I won't be bothered to look up all systemd compile options) > > [2] shows actual compile options e

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:53:20 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 10 oct 14, 06:57:18, PETER ZOELLER wrote: > > This is really ticking me off. We are becoming just like Microsoft > > that one size fits all. Linux has always been about choice and > > modularity and reconfigurability where a us

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread James Ensor
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 7:38 AM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 10/10/2014 at 07:53 PM, James Ensor wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 7:31 PM, John Hasler >> wrote: >> >>> James Ensor writes: >>> My impression is that the idea of "systemd's entanglement" has been blown way out of proportion

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 15:18:58 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 10 oct 14, 08:36:23, Joel Rees wrote: > > > > Some complexities you can encapsulate or hide, or expose in an > > organized manner so that that are easier to deal with. Others, no. > > [big snip] > > The complexity argument can b

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 19:57:42, Reco wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 15:18:58 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Vi, 10 oct 14, 08:36:23, Joel Rees wrote: > > > > > > Some complexities you can encapsulate or hide, or expose in an > > > organized manner so that that are easier to deal with. Others,

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Brian
On Sat 11 Oct 2014 at 07:38:42 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 10/10/2014 at 07:53 PM, James Ensor wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 7:31 PM, John Hasler > > wrote: > > > >> James Ensor writes: > >> > >>> My impression is that the idea of "systemd's entanglement" has > >>> been blown way ou

Using device UUSBs with cryptsetup to open already encrypted USB sticks

2014-10-11 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The command syntax for opening such a device is sudo cryptsetup luksOpen As I understand the syntax, the device designation can be /dev/sd?? where the first question mark is the third letter of the device selected by the OS, and the second question

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 11 Oct 12:11 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:53:20 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > You might want to check your facts: > > > > Linus Torvalds "only" created the Linux kernel, which is notoriously > > monolithic[1]. > > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbau

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 13:40:08, Steve Litt wrote: > > sysvinit is an idea whose time has gone. sysvinit is a poor way to > showcase the Unix Way. First of all, the whole idea of runlevels is > bizarre, and adds a lot of complexity to init scripts. If you > compare a daemontools /service/myserviced/run

Re: How to do this ?

2014-10-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
> On 10 Oct 2014, at 18:51, Erwan David wrote: > > how can I do this with systemd ? You'd write a systemd unit for the mount operation (there's a mount type) which wasn't hooked into the default multiuser target. You'd then make the depending daemons have service files which depended on that

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 19:41:31 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 11 oct 14, 19:12:38, Reco wrote: > > > > Upstream already did it for you - [1]. Actual maximum number is 69. And > > that's not compile options, that's number of resulting binaries. > > > > > > > (no, I won't be bothered

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:41:12 +0100 Brian napísal: > And to illustrate how much work Debian maintainers put in to respond > to users' concerns: > > root@gnome-jessie:~# apt-get install sysvinit-core systemd-shim > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 13:01:38, James Ensor wrote: > > And, just for the record, I started this exercise just because I was > curious what would happen if I removed systemd. I don't claim to > understand all the complexities of init systems (as you have been able > to tell). Honestly my system seeme

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Brian
On Sat 11 Oct 2014 at 13:01:38 -0400, James Ensor wrote: > No, I don't think you are missing anything, I just did a really bad > job at translating things from my head to my keyboard, and I confused > two arguments Part of that is that I've lost track of who is > saying what. > > In my origi

Re: Nvidia No GLX to using OpenGL...

2014-10-11 Thread Floris
Op Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:51:44 +0200 schreef Gábor Hársfalvi : Of course I already installed nvidia-glx. sudo apt-show-versions | grep nvidia sudo: apt-show-versions: command not found it look like you have to install apt-show-versions run: $ sudo apt-get install apt-show-versions $ apt-show

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Brian
On Sat 11 Oct 2014 at 12:49:15 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:53:20 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > You might want to check your facts: > > > > Linus Torvalds "only" created the Linux kernel, which is notoriously > > monolithic[1]. > > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-11 Thread John Hasler
Andrei POPESCU writes: > With systemd (v215) I had to write this unit file: Which is about as complex as filling out the skeleteon script to create an initscript to do the same thing. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debi

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Martin Read
On 11/10/14 19:00, Nate Bargmann wrote: This is the question I have, what are the stated boundaries of the systemd project? Have any boundaries/goals been stated in terms of when systemd will be feature complete? What is the stated compliance to POSIX (Google doesn't seem to provide me good res

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Brian
On Sat 11 Oct 2014 at 20:06:14 +0200, Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:41:12 +0100 Brian > napísal: > > > What more could a Debian user want? > > I don't know what other users want, but i tried it some days ago (when > the latest version of the systemd comes into testing) and

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-11 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 20:47:36 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 11 oct 14, 19:57:42, Reco wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 15:18:58 +0300 > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > On Vi, 10 oct 14, 08:36:23, Joel Rees wrote: > > > > > > > > Some complexities you can encapsulate or hide, or ex

Re: Nvidia No GLX to using OpenGL...

2014-10-11 Thread Gábor Hársfalvi
Thanks for the help! apt-show-versions | grep nvidia libgl1-nvidia-alternatives/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31-6squeeze2 libglx-nvidia-alternatives/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31-6squeeze2 nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-486/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31+4+6squeeze2+2.6.32-45 nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem 195.36.

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Brian
On Sat 11 Oct 2014 at 13:00:12 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > I fear that we are living the axiom, "Those who do not understand UNIX > are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." That is a misquote. Understandable when it is all over the web and comes up with a search engine, so don't worry about it. I

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 14:12:20, John Hasler wrote: > Andrei POPESCU writes: > > With systemd (v215) I had to write this unit file: > > Which is about as complex as filling out the skeleteon script to create > an initscript to do the same thing. Really? How do you write an initscript that restarts you

Re: Using PuTTY with Debian GNU/Linux Systems

2014-10-11 Thread Mirko Parthey
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 07:34:06AM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: > > In response to encouragement from several people on this list, > I have published a new web page titled "Using PuTTY with Debian > GNU/Linux Systems". It is available here: > >http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/putty.htm >

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 20:11:57 +0100 Brian wrote: > On Sat 11 Oct 2014 at 13:00:12 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > I fear that we are living the axiom, "Those who do not understand UNIX > > are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." > > That is a misquote. Understandable when it is all over t

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:16:57AM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 10 Oct 2014 at 15:31:35 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:16:23PM -0400, James Ensor wrote: > > > Please reply to the list and not directly to me. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:39 AM, PETER Z

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 23:20:34, Reco wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 20:47:36 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > At least with systemd if you fix a bug it will benefit all daemons using > > it. > > No, quite the contrary. By fixing such jack-of-all-trades > libsystemd library you're risking to *brea

Re: Using PuTTY with Debian GNU/Linux Systems

2014-10-11 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 15:23:34 -0400 (EDT), Mirko Parthey wrote: > > In your current article, you suggest rebuilding ncurses to add a > custom terminal type. I find it much easier to just install a terminal > definition locally as a configuration file. > > This can be achieved with the following co

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 12:40:58, Bob Holtzman wrote: > > I don't have a task or a mission here. I simply asked a question. And the answer is: dependencies don't start their existence by installing the depended-on package. If this is not what you meant by "entanglement" please clarify. Kind regards

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-11 Thread Peter Zoeller
Hi: I might be able to help here as well. I have some teaching notes somewhere when I taught system security at my college. Peter On 09/10/14 05:03 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 09 October 2014 21:59:12 Charlie wrote: On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 02:54:48 +0200 lee sent: I still have a very good

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 20:06:14 +0200 Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:41:12 +0100 Brian > napísal: > > > And to illustrate how much work Debian maintainers put in to respond > > to users' concerns: > > > > root@gnome-jessie:~# apt-get install sysvinit-core systemd-shim > >

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Peter Nieman
On 11/10/14 20:00, Nate Bargmann wrote: This is the question I have, what are the stated boundaries of the systemd project? Have any boundaries/goals been stated in terms of when systemd will be feature complete? Didn't Mr. Poettering make it sufficiently clear in numerous speeches that the u

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:21:14 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 11 oct 14, 13:40:08, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > sysvinit is an idea whose time has gone. sysvinit is a poor way to > > showcase the Unix Way. First of all, the whole idea of runlevels is > > bizarre, and adds a lot of complexity to

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
Reco wrote: Hi. On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 20:11:57 +0100 Brian wrote: On Sat 11 Oct 2014 at 13:00:12 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: I fear that we are living the axiom, "Those who do not understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." That is a misquote. Understandable when it is all over

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 23:20:34 +0400 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 20:47:36 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: [huge snip] > > No, that was just for the "I'm sole user of this system, why would > > I need this logind stuff?" crowd. > > Thanks, I'm perfectly aware why I don't need logi

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-11 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 23:02:01 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 11 oct 14, 23:20:34, Reco wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 20:47:36 +0300 > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > At least with systemd if you fix a bug it will benefit all daemons using > > > it. > > > > No, quite the contrar

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Brian
On Sat 11 Oct 2014 at 16:16:05 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > From what I've heard on this list, Xfce has drunk the systemd koolaid. What have you heard? Have you a link on -user to give us so we can judge for ourselves? > If that's true, screw em, they're not the only game in town. If nothing Love

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 22:28:31 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Really? How do you write an initscript that restarts your daemon > automatically in case it fails for some reason? > > Also, imapfilter doesn't write a pidfile at all, so I'd need to make > at least some modifications to the script. D

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-11 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 17:35:00 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 23:20:34 +0400 > Reco wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 20:47:36 +0300 > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > [huge snip] > > > > No, that was just for the "I'm sole user of this system, why would > > > I n

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-11 Thread Reco
Dear list contributors, On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:27:56 -0400 Peter Zoeller wrote: > Hi: > I might be able to help here as well. I have some teaching notes > somewhere when I taught system security at my college. > > Peter > On 09/10/14 05:03 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Thursday 09 October 201

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 20:03:18 +0100 Martin Read wrote: > On 11/10/14 19:00, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > This is the question I have, what are the stated boundaries of the > > systemd project? Have any boundaries/goals been stated in terms of > > when systemd will be feature complete? What is the st

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Reco
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 17:16:05 -0400 Miles Fidelman wrote: > Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 20:11:57 +0100 > > Brian wrote: > > > >> On Sat 11 Oct 2014 at 13:00:12 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > >> > >>> I fear that we are living the axiom, "Those who do not understand UNIX > >>>

In Poettering's own words: was question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 22:58:18 +0200 Peter Nieman wrote: > Didn't Mr. Poettering make it sufficiently clear in numerous speeches > that the ultimate goal of the systemd people was to create an > entirely new OS? Just listen to the first two minutes of the first > youtube video you get when search

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-11 Thread Doug
On 10/11/2014 05:28 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:21:14 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> On Sb, 11 oct 14, 13:40:08, Steve Litt wrote: >>> >>> sysvinit is an idea whose time has gone. sysvinit is a poor way to >>> showcase the Unix Way. First of all, the whole idea of runlevels

Fwd: Loading OS into software model of SPARC(without BIOS and boot loader)

2014-10-11 Thread Renju Boben
-- Forwarded message -- From: Renju Boben Date: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:54 AM Subject: Loading OS into software model of SPARC(without BIOS and boot loader) To: sparcli...@vger.rutgers.edu Hi, I have the software model of a SPARC v8 processor and its Memory management unit. T

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread John Hasler
Reco writes: > One must be *very* careful to wish for - [1]. OK, that's not pure LISP, > it's Scheme :) > [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.

Re: In Poettering's own words: was question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Joel Rees
Testing, here. Just want to check whether I get filtered out from here, as well. (Two responses to a thread that invites discussion of the /usr merge have not made it to the list yet.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? C

Re: segfaults and error 4 in ld-2.13.so with soffice.bin and kate

2014-10-11 Thread Gary Roach
On 10/07/2014 03:00 PM, Gary Roach wrote: After cloning my bad drive to a new one and installing the new drive (see previous messages titled excessive CPU usage) i am left with the following problem: Kate and libreoffice.writer refuse to open and give the errors soffice.bin[10369]: segfault a

Re: segfaults and error 4 in ld-2.13.so with soffice.bin and kate

2014-10-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014, Gary Roach wrote: > After cloning my bad drive to a new one and installing the new drive > (see previous messages titled excessive CPU usage) i am left with the > following problem: > > Kate and libreoffice.writer refuse to open and give the errors I would reinstall libreoffi

Re: segfaults and error 4 in ld-2.13.so with soffice.bin and kate

2014-10-11 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 12.10.2014 um 03:28 schrieb Don Armstrong: > On Tue, 07 Oct 2014, Gary Roach wrote: >> After cloning my bad drive to a new one and installing the new drive >> (see previous messages titled excessive CPU usage) i am left with the >> following problem: >> >> Kate and libreoffice.writer refuse to o

Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 19:05:19 -0400 Doug wrote: > On 10/11/2014 05:28 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:21:14 +0300 > > Daemontools runscripts are incredibly simple shellscripts, that I'm > > sure you could write no sweat except in very wierd edge cases. > > Here's my run script fo

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 09:23:08PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 11 oct 14, 13:01:38, James Ensor wrote: > > > > And, just for the record, I started this exercise just because I was > > curious what would happen if I removed systemd. I don't claim to > > understand all the complexities of

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
John Hasler wrote: Reco writes: One must be *very* careful to wish for - [1]. OK, that's not pure LISP, it's Scheme :) [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine And a beautiful machine it was, too. Miles -- In theory, there is no difference between the

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 09:40:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Now that I've said that, you can accomplish some pretty incredible > things by gluing a few commands together. I wrote the better half of a > http log evaluation program using a shellscript gluing together grep, > cut, and awk, and pi

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 10/10/2014 8:44 AM, James Ensor wrote: > But, to get more to the point of my original question, there has been > so much discussion about systemd here, but as far as I can tell very > little of this discussion has been of practical use for a debian-user. Are you crazy, people are having problem

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/10/2014 2:01 AM, James Ensor wrote: > The point of this thread was to demonstrate that you *do* still have a > choice. It's relatively simple to remove systemd from your Debian > installation if you choose to. In the short term, sure, but in

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-11 Thread Peter Zoeller
Hi Steve: I agree that shell scripts are simplistic and not meant for fancy programs although it could be done, just not productive. But the nice thing is shell scripting is simplistic easy to learn and understand. Sure beats the days when I wrote code in Assembler, Cobol, Fortran, PL1, RPG,

Re: Using device UUSBs with cryptsetup to open already encrypted USB sticks

2014-10-11 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ken Heard wrote: > The command syntax for opening such a device is > > sudo cryptsetup luksOpen > > As I understand the syntax, the device designation can be /dev/sd?? > where the first question mark is the third letter of the device selected > by

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/10/2014 4:01 AM, James Ensor wrote: > What I was trying to say here is that people seem to want to debate > the philosophy/quality/whatever about systemd, and have used this to > come to wrong conclusions about the practical aspect of using an

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread koanhead
On 10/11/2014 12:20 PM, Brian wrote: > On Sat 11 Oct 2014 at 12:49:15 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > >> On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:53:20 +0300 >> Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> >>> You might want to check your facts: >>> >>> Linus Torvalds "only" created the Linux kernel, which is notoriously >>> monolithic[1

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread koanhead
On 10/10/2014 01:10 PM, James Ensor wrote: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Bob Holtzman wrote: >> >> All well and good but what happens when sysv* get purged from the repos? >> > > When is this going to happen? > > I'm not aware of any intention to purge sysvinit-core from jessie or sid. The