Re: Problem loading firmware in Debian Installer

2014-09-28 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-09-28 02:52 +0200, Rob Werfelmann wrote: > I'm not sure where to submit this bug as I am unsure if this is caused > by the installer or the linux kernel. Please look at [1] for known issues with the Jessie installer. > I'm using a daily net install (uses linux-image-3.16.2-amd64) and whe

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Miles, Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 11:09:07 schrieb Miles Fidelman: > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 01:45:50 schrieb lee: > >> Martin Steigerwald writes: > >>> Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 23:50:46 schrieb lee: > Martin Steigerwald writes: >

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman: > John Hasler wrote: > > Miles Fidelman writes: > >> the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes > >> systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers > > > > Where the hell do you get that from? > >

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:08:50 schrieb The Wanderer: > On 09/26/2014 at 12:44 PM, Martin Read wrote: > > On 26/09/14 16:09, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >> - but the resulting impacts should be taken up with each and > >> every upstream developer? > > > > As far as I can see, the issue that p

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 19:08:13 schrieb Ric Moore: > On 09/26/2014 05:08 PM, green wrote: > > Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 14:18 -0500: > >> Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and hide his > >> doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:04:38 schrieb lee: > Andrei POPESCU writes: > > On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote: > >> Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers > >> of systemd to fix the issues it brings about. They cannot be unaware of > >> them, so obvious

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:13:21 schrieb lee: > Martin Steigerwald writes: > > Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU: > >> On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote: > >> > Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers > >> > of systemd to fi

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:55:36 schrieb lee: > Martin Steigerwald writes: > > Why do I think that you do not want change from the *current* situation? > > Cause what you do, in my oppinion does not facilitate change. > > I think I see why you think so. What makes you think that anything

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 04:35:03 schrieb lee: > Martin Read writes: > > On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote: > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177 > > > > Your complaint about the interface is reasonable. The systemd > > developers' decision to not change the interface in respo

Re: Can't unlock the screensaver

2014-09-28 Thread softwatt
On 09/28/2014 01:46 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > On 09/27/2014 05:34 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: >> On 9/27/14, softwatt wrote: >>> I had a similar issue, and it turned out I was typing the password in >>> the wrong language. If you use multiple languages, Try pressing >>> ALT+SHIFT (The default languag

Re: Problem loading firmware in Debian Installer

2014-09-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 28 September 2014 01:52:36 Rob Werfelmann wrote: > Hello, > > I'm not sure where to submit this bug as I am unsure if this is caused > by the installer or the linux kernel. > > I'm using a daily net install (uses linux-image-3.16.2-amd64) and when I > get to "configure the network" part,

Re: Problem loading firmware in Debian Installer

2014-09-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 28 September 2014 11:01:43 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 28 September 2014 01:52:36 Rob Werfelmann wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm not sure where to submit this bug as I am unsure if this is caused > > by the installer or the linux kernel. > > > > I'm using a daily net install (uses linux-i

Re: How to make more space available for /

2014-09-28 Thread Jochen Spieker
Rob Hurle: > > […] Any ideas on how I can copy my existing / partition and boot > information to a new disc? Would dd be a good idea? How can I > prepare the new disc to be the boot disc and have / on it without > disturbing my current system? There are many ways to skin this cat, but generally

Re: Can't unlock the screensaver

2014-09-28 Thread softwatt
On 09/28/2014 03:31 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 06:46:49PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: >> Great Minds! The only thing the user sees is black dots. :) Ric > You don't even get to see those AFAIR. Wrong. One does see black dots, see attachment. signature.asc Description: OpenP

Re: systemd and server use

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:36:27 schrieb Dan Ritter: > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 01:02:16PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > On 09/26/2014 at 12:26 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:03:57 +0200 Martin Steigerwald > >

Re: systemd and server use

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:02:16 schrieb The Wanderer: > > Martin, > > > > I don't think anybody's complaining about those features. Those > > are excellent features that should be done in PID 1. > > Actually, some people (I believe including me) are in fact complaining > about the inclus

Re: systemd and server use

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 22:41:04 schrieb Reco: > Hi. > > On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:02:16 -0400 > > The Wanderer wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > On 09/26/2014 at 12:26 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:03:57 +0200 Martin Steigerwald >

Re: About dependency creep

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:00:08 schrieb Peter Nieman: > On 25/09/14 18:16, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > The KDE project has spent *years* of development to reduce dependency > > creep. > I don't think KDE is the problem here. I don't remember ever having run > into a situation where insta

Re: systemd and server use (was: Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream)

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 23:21:36 schrieb martin f krafft: > also sprach Steve Litt [2014-09-26 18:26 +0200]: > > If systemd was just a PID1 with the features you enumerate above, > > I'd be dancing in the street, not looking for a way out. > > Beautiful. I had to: > https://twitter.com/ma

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 > Ric Moore wrote: > > > On 09/27/2014 02:49 PM, lee wrote: > > > > > Just ask yourself: Why would someone choose to download an ISO for > > > Debian? > > > > For me, it's the safest way to install/

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 23:50:45 schrieb Chris Bannister: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 > > > > Ric Moore wrote: > > > On 09/27/2014 02:49 PM, lee wrote: > > > > Just ask yourself: Why would someone choose to download

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 03:05:06PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > 2014/09/28 7:33 "Ric Moore" : > > > > On 09/27/2014 02:49 PM, lee wrote: > > > >> Darac Marjal writes: > >> > > >> > It's a personal choice. If you require a crowd of support as moral > >> > justification you're doing it wrong. > >> Just

Re: Data from a serial port

2014-09-28 Thread Johann Klammer
On 09/28/2014 05:30 AM, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote: Dear List - I have an Avery Berkel POS [Point Of Sale] scale which I wish to integrate into a POS system. The output is sent to a RS232 port. I do not know how to extract the data. Here is what I have about the RS232 port: ethan@meow:~$ dmes

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 12:55:32 schrieb Martin Steigerwald: > Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 23:50:45 schrieb Chris Bannister: > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 > > > > > > Ric Moore wrote: > > > > On 09/27/2014 02:4

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:50:45PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 > > Ric Moore wrote: > > > > > On 09/27/2014 02:49 PM, lee wrote: > > > > > > > Just ask yourself: Why would someone choose to dow

Re: funny text in bash history

2014-09-28 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 9/27/14, Joel Rees wrote: > Booted this morning, started my usual pattern of bringing the appropriate > apt-get commands up from history. (I'm lazy, okay?) > > Had a bunch of unicode proxies and a reference to a backup directory that > I haven't accessed in several months in my most recent thr

Re: Data from a serial port

2014-09-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 11:13:28PM -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: > Dear List - > > I have an Avery Berkel POS [Point Of Sale] scale which I wish to integrate > into a POS system. The output is sent to a RS232 port. I do not know how to > extract the data. Although this is not a Debian support qu

Re: funny text in bash history

2014-09-28 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/28/2014 at 07:17 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 9/27/14, Joel Rees wrote: > >> Booted this morning, started my usual pattern of bringing the >> appropriate apt-get commands up from history. (I'm lazy, okay?) >> >> Had a bunch of unicode

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-28 Thread softwatt
This may or may not be relevant: Rooting android makes it possible to use it as an SSH *client*. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-28 Thread Erwan David
Le 28/09/2014 14:00, softwatt a écrit : > This may or may not be relevant: Rooting android makes it possible to > use it as an SSH *client*. > You mean server ? Because you have ssh clients for non rooted android... I use connectbot, but there are others signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digi

Re: systemd and server use

2014-09-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:15:43 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > 2 - daemontools, runit, many others. > > Then go and support these. Test them and help them to be available and tested > in Debian. Help them so have sane defaults and so. But I don't have to :) Both daemontools and runit h

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/28/2014 at 05:34 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > It may also be true that systemd upstream won´t be willing to > implement the change you want to see. But if you choose to keep > your power with yourself, instead of giving it to others, you a

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 07:51:14 schrieb The Wanderer: > On 09/28/2014 at 05:34 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > It may also be true that systemd upstream won´t be willing to > > implement the change you want to see. But if you choose to keep > > your power with yourself, instead of giving

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-28 Thread softwatt
On 09/28/2014 03:03 PM, Erwan David wrote: > Le 28/09/2014 14:00, softwatt a écrit : >> > This may or may not be relevant: Rooting android makes it possible to >> > use it as an SSH *client*. >> > > You mean server ? Because you have ssh clients for non rooted android... > > I use connectbot, but

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-28 Thread Alexis
softwatt writes: > I meant an SSH client. > I did not know that some non-root apps allow that. Thanks. > > However, rooting gives you a fully fledged GNU/Linux terminal, which > has SSH, Rsync, Busybox, etc. ConnectBot can also give one a terminal for the device on which it's running. A no-root

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 27 September 2014 03:45, Joel Rees wrote: > edumaction? I saw that and checked the headers, because what you are > writing here seems a bit out of character. If this is a spoof, the > headers are done better than I want to bother checking, unless you > tell me so. Typo, I think. http://www.ur

Reboot After Systemd 215-5 Upgrade

2014-09-28 Thread David Baron
I am NOT complaining about systemd. Booted quickly as usual, and just fine. However: Very early on, their were two "FAILED" notices which I did were lost too quickly to read, The boot went out of the quiet mode and then proceeded just fine (with all the startup text). Dmesg shows nothing Jounal

Re: Debian policy on alternate init systems

2014-09-28 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 9/27/14, Marty wrote: > The Debian Policy Manual currently supports alternate init systems, and > mentions upstart as an example. sysvinit scripts will continue to be > required per policy. I got the opposite impression from the TC debate, > where part of the justification (IIRC) for systemd wa

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:08 +0200 Martin Steigerwald napísal: > But my challenge to all of you who don´t want systemd as default in > Debian still is this: > > *Stop* complaining and *start* acting. You are right. For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE without systemd in d

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 28 Sep 08:23 -0500, Liam Proven wrote: > On 27 September 2014 03:45, Joel Rees wrote: > > edumaction? I saw that and checked the headers, because what you are > > writing here seems a bit out of character. If this is a spoof, the > > headers are done better than I want to bother checking

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-28 Thread softwatt
On 09/28/2014 04:04 PM, Alexis wrote: > softwatt writes: > >> I meant an SSH client. >> I did not know that some non-root apps allow that. Thanks. >> >> However, rooting gives you a fully fledged GNU/Linux terminal, which >> has SSH, Rsync, Busybox, etc. > ConnectBot can also give one a termi

Re: How to make more space available for /

2014-09-28 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Jochen Spieker wrote on 09/28/2014 12:07: > Rob Hurle: >> >> […] Any ideas on how I can copy my existing / partition and boot >> information to a new disc? Would dd be a good idea? How can I >> prepare the new disc to be the boot disc and have / on it without >> disturbing my current system? > >

Re: Reboot After Systemd 215-5 Upgrade

2014-09-28 Thread Carlo
2014-09-28 15:04 GMT+02:00 David Baron : > I am NOT complaining about systemd. Booted quickly as usual, and just fine. > > However: Very early on, their were two "FAILED" notices which I did were lost > too quickly to read, The boot went out of the quiet mode and then proceeded > just fine (with al

Re: Reboot After Systemd 215-5 Upgrade

2014-09-28 Thread Carlo
2014-09-28 16:45 GMT+02:00 David Baron : > OK, here it is:~$ systemctl --failed > UNIT LOAD ACTIVE SUBDESCRIPTION > ● systemd-remount-fs.service loaded failed failed Remount Root and Kernel File > Systems > > LOAD = Reflects whether the unit definition was properly l

Re: How to make more space available for /

2014-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:55:07 +1000 Rob Hurle wrote: > I've had a very large job on the go and have only just now had the > chance to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. I had to do the upgrade > from DVDs because I live at the end of a piece of wet string (takes > about a day to download one DVD).

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 23:50:45 +1300 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 > > Yes. I'm a huge believer in wiping and reinstalling major versions. > > It's like spring cleaning, and I eliminate ghosts of operati

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:55:32 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 23:50:45 schrieb Chris Bannister: > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 > > > > > > Ric Moore wrote: > > > > On 09/27/2014 02:49 PM,

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman: > > John Hasler wrote: > > > Miles Fidelman writes: > > >> the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially > > >> imposes systemd on all of the upstream de

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Erwan David
Le 28/09/2014 17:29, Steve Litt a écrit : > I assume that implicit in your reply is that such a major version > upgrade works well, and that over the years you don't get all sorts of > accumulated software dust bunnies doing funny things to you. > > How many others here have experiences like Chris'

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Read
On 28/09/14 16:29, Steve Litt wrote: I assume that implicit in your reply is that such a major version upgrade works well, and that over the years you don't get all sorts of accumulated software dust bunnies doing funny things to you. How many others here have experiences like Chris'? Well, th

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote: > For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE > without systemd in debian Nonsense!! You can have TDE for a start, and I am sure that there are others. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a sub

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:21:13 +0200 Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:08 +0200 Martin Steigerwald > napísal: > > > But my challenge to all of you who don´t want systemd as default in > > Debian still is this: > > > > *Stop* complaining and *start* acting. > > You are right.

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread John Hasler
Steve Litt writes: > I assume that implicit in your reply is that such a major version > upgrade works well, and that over the years you don't get all sorts of > accumulated software dust bunnies doing funny things to you. > How many others here have experiences like Chris'? My opinions are > base

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/28/2014 at 11:29 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 23:50:45 +1300 Chris Bannister > wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >>> Yes. I'm a huge believer in wiping and reinstalling major >>> versio

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread John Hasler
Erwan David writes: > I do reinstall when I change hardware, otherwise just upgrades. I don't. I've changed motherboards without reinstalling. The only hardware change that caused me to reinstall was going to 64-bit. It begins to look like Systemd will require reinstallation, though. -- John H

Re: About dependency creep

2014-09-28 Thread Peter Nieman
On 28/09/14 12:37, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:00:08 schrieb Peter Nieman: On 25/09/14 18:16, Martin Steigerwald wrote: The KDE project has spent *years* of development to reduce dependency creep. I don't think KDE is the problem here. I don't remember ever hav

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Read
On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote: For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE without systemd in debian Nonsense!! You can have TDE for a start, and I am sure that there are others. The Trinity Desktop Environment is not, as far

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:38:16 -0400 Steve Litt napísal: > Don't forget to try the various BSDs. As long as your BSD can run qemu > or another VM, you can use Debian for that one or two programs that > don't work under your chosen BSD. I think that with a bind mount you > can even read and

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 23:50:45 +1300 Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 Yes. I'm a huge believer in wiping and reinstalling major versions. It's like spring cleaning, and I eliminate ghosts

Re: systemd and server use

2014-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:09:48 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > As far as I remember Lennart or another systemd developers explained > in detail why it was done this way, and that it can´t be done in any > other way. I'm especially fond of the "it's not unmodular, it's made from modules" argumen

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 11:18:22 schrieb Steve Litt: > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200 > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman: > > > John Hasler wrote: > > > > Miles Fidelman writes: > > > >> the technical committee selects tak

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:21:13 +0200 Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:08 +0200 Martin Steigerwald napísal: But my challenge to all of you who don´t want systemd as default in Debian still is this: *Stop* complaining and *start* acting. You are right. For now

Re: Re: funny text in bash history

2014-09-28 Thread Clive Standbridge
> I do A LOT of computing from terminals... and use arrow up and down > ALL THE TIME.. Autocomplete would so ROCK! "Tab completion" is the key phrase. Assuming you use bash: When you want to complete a command or filename, press the Tab key. If the choices are ambiguous, you'll need to press Tab

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 28 September 2014 17:01:45 Martin Read wrote: > On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote: > >> For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE > >> without systemd in debian > > > > Nonsense!! You can have TDE for a start, and I am su

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 11:18:22 schrieb Steve Litt: On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman: John Hasler wrote: Miles Fidelman writes: the technical committee selects tak

Re: Reboot After Systemd 215-5 Upgrade

2014-09-28 Thread Carlo
2014-09-28 17:07 GMT+02:00 David Baron : > ~$ systemctl status systemd-remount-fs.service > ● systemd-remount-fs.service - Remount Root and Kernel File Systems >Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-remount-fs.service; static) >Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sun 2014-09-28 1

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread lee
Martin Steigerwald writes: > Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 04:35:03 schrieb lee: >> Martin Read writes: >> > On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote: >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177 >> > >> > Your complaint about the interface is reasonable. The systemd >> > developers' decision

Re: systemd and server use

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 12:51:52 schrieb Steve Litt: > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:09:48 +0200 > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > As far as I remember Lennart or another systemd developers explained > > in detail why it was done this way, and that it can´t be done in any > > other way. > > I'm

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread lee
Martin Steigerwald writes: > Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:55:36 schrieb lee: >> Martin Steigerwald writes: >> > Why do I think that you do not want change from the *current* situation? >> > Cause what you do, in my oppinion does not facilitate change. >> >> I think I see why you think so.

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread lee
Martin Steigerwald writes: > Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:13:21 schrieb lee: >> Martin Steigerwald writes: >> > Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU: >> >> On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote: >> >> > Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince

Re: systemd and server use

2014-09-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 12:51:52PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:09:48 +0200 > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > > As far as I remember Lennart or another systemd developers explained > > in detail why it was done this way, and that it can´t be done in any > > other way. > > I

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:08:39 +0100 Lisi Reisz napísal: > On Sunday 28 September 2014 17:01:45 Martin Read wrote: > > On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote: > > >> For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE > > >> without syst

Re: How to make more space available for /

2014-09-28 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014, Rob Hurle wrote: > I've had a very large job on the go and have only just now had the > chance to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. I had to do the upgrade > from DVDs because I live at the end of a piece of wet string (takes > about a day to download one DVD). The upgrade wen

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Peter Nieman
On 28/09/14 18:57, Martin Steigerwald wrote: I want change. Change is life. There is nothing static in life. That's a nice "kitchen philosophy" (as we would call it in German), and one that the sellers of novelties of all kind will appreciate. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...

Re: how to force chronyd to be online after booting

2014-09-28 Thread Dieter Deyke
> On 09/26/2014 06:31 PM, lee wrote: >> is there an easy way to force chronyd to get into/remain in its online >> mode rather than going into offline mode? I had the same problem. My workaround was to run the following python script from /etc/cron.hourly/ #! /usr/bin/env python import os import

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
lee writes: > I'm merely participating in the discussion and haven't entirely made up > my mind what the issue actually is and what I should do. [...] > Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when they came up with > their brokenarch and left users stranded with no possible fix for the > thi

Re: Reboot After Systemd 215-5 Upgrade

2014-09-28 Thread Carlo
2014-09-28 20:31 GMT+02:00 David Baron : > Here 'tis: ~$ cat /etc/fstab > # /etc/fstab: static file system information. > # > # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a > # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices > # that works even if disks are

Re: Reboot After Systemd 215-5 Upgrade

2014-09-28 Thread PaulNM
On 09/28/2014 03:26 PM, Carlo wrote: > 2014-09-28 20:31 GMT+02:00 David Baron : >> Here 'tis: ~$ cat /etc/fstab >> # /etc/fstab: static file system information. >> # >> # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a >> # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to na

Re: Data from a serial port

2014-09-28 Thread David Christensen
On 09/28/2014 01:09 PM, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: Wrote it myself. Please reply to the list. Then you need to learn how to program the serial port using whatever language you picked. I initially learned serial port programming in C from a book: http://www.amazon.com/C-Programmers-Guide-Se

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 28 September 2014 19:04:22 Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:08:39 +0100 Lisi Reisz > > napísal: > > On Sunday 28 September 2014 17:01:45 Martin Read wrote: > > > On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote: > > > >> For

Re: Cannot boot when /sbin/init is linked to /lib/systemd/systemd, but works with ../lib/systemd/systemd

2014-09-28 Thread Steve M. Robbins
An update on my (lack of) progress. On September 21, 2014 10:45:44 PM Steve M. Robbins wrote: > Is anyone else in the same boat (absolute symlink fails even though / is not > nfs)? As several have posted: clearly this does work for most people. Indeed, I have a netbook that works just fine, b

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:57:12 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 11:18:22 schrieb Steve Litt: > > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200 > > > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman: > > > > John Hasler wrote:

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread koanhead
On 09/25/2014 05:00 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:15:36PM -0700, koanhead wrote: >> can't use. >> >> I brought this up once on #offtopic and was told that sysvinit doesn't >> work on bsds (that's a paraphrase using the same words, not a quote) and >> then ridiculed. > >

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Joe
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:01:24 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > I assume that implicit in your reply is that such a major version > > upgrade works well, and that over the years you don't get all sorts > > of accumulated software dust bunnies doing funny things to you. > > > How m

Still no wifi passwords after routine Jessie upgrade.

2014-09-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
Near the beginning of September, I reported suddenly being unable to connect to wifi in coffee shops. Around the same time, I has done a routine upgrade to my jessie system; I do this every week or two. Everything had been working fine before. I am now unable to connect to any hot spot that

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread PaulNM
On 09/28/2014 05:25 PM, Joe wrote: > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:01:24 -0500 > John Hasler wrote: > > > An upgraded system is not necessarily identical to a new installation, > even to the point of not containing exactly the same packages. I first > noticed that with etch, when I made a new installat

Re: Still no wifi passwords after routine Jessie upgrade.

2014-09-28 Thread Brian
On Sun 28 Sep 2014 at 21:28:35 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Near the beginning of September, I reported suddenly being unable to > connect to wifi in coffee shops. Around the same time, I has done a > routine upgrade to my jessie system; I do this every week or two. > > Everything had been w

Re: systemd and server use

2014-09-28 Thread green
Jonathan Dowland wrote at 2014-09-28 13:05 -0500: > The more and more I read people objecting to the modularity of systemd, > the more I am reminded of the Tanenbaum/Torvalds debate re microkernels. It does seem to be related, though not so much due to systemd being modular as monolithic. systemd

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread lee
Scott Ferguson writes: > On 28/09/14 04:49, lee wrote: >> Scott Ferguson writes: >> >>> On 26/09/14 07:34, lee wrote: Darac Marjal writes: >> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 03:04:24PM +0200, lee wrote: >> >>> Systemd can handle the boot process from head to toe, >>> withou

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread lee
"Karl E. Jorgensen" writes: > * not doing "crazy things", like running backports or > testing/unstable [2], and no grabbing *.debs from weird places. Debian isn't as stable as you like to think. I am required to run the latest kernel from backports for otherwise my server will crash due to NF

Re: MDADM RAID1 of external USB 3.0 Drives

2014-09-28 Thread lee
Linux-Fan writes: > On 09/27/2014 09:52 PM, lee wrote: >> Linux-Fan writes: >>> On 09/22/2014 03:23 AM, lee wrote: Linux-Fan writes: > On 09/21/2014 08:41 PM, lee wrote: >> Linux-Fan writes: On 09/20/2014 04:55 PM, lee wrote: I've seen the smart info show incred

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread lee
Ric Moore writes: > On 09/27/2014 02:49 PM, lee wrote: > >> Just ask yourself: Why would someone choose to download an ISO for >> Debian? > > For me, it's the safest way to install/upgrade. I have had too many > problems with interrupted live major migration to the next release > level via an upg

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread lee
Steve Litt writes: > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 23:50:45 +1300 > Chris Bannister wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 > >> > Yes. I'm a huge believer in wiping and reinstalling major versions. >> > It's like spring cleaning, a

Re: MDADM RAID1 of external USB 3.0 Drives

2014-09-28 Thread Linux-Fan
On 09/29/2014 12:56 AM, lee wrote: > Linux-Fan writes: >> On 09/27/2014 09:52 PM, lee wrote: >>> Linux-Fan writes: On 09/22/2014 03:23 AM, lee wrote: > Linux-Fan writes: I always at least try to read/interpret the SMART data. I consider it valuable information, although it is

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:38:18PM +0200, lee wrote: > Ric Moore writes: > > > On 09/27/2014 02:49 PM, lee wrote: > > > >> Just ask yourself: Why would someone choose to download an ISO for > >> Debian? > > > > For me, it's the safest way to install/upgrade. I have had too many > > problems with

Re: Debian policy on alternate init systems

2014-09-28 Thread Marty
On 09/28/2014 09:25 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: How'd you ever find that in among every single other thing else that's out there to study regarding anything Debian...? Lucky google search I guess. S Genuine question, not trying to make any point in case it comes across that way. I tr

Re: systemd and server use

2014-09-28 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/28/2014 at 07:10 PM, green wrote: > Jonathan Dowland wrote at 2014-09-28 13:05 -0500: > >> The more and more I read people objecting to the modularity of >> systemd, the more I am reminded of the Tanenbaum/Torvalds debate >> re microkernels.

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:19:58PM +0200, lee wrote: > > Sure is, yet why tell me to make software nobody cares about. Maybe to keep you busy? > That won't get systemd out of Debian. LOL, neither will ranting and raving and spreading all sorts of FUD. -- "If you're not careful, the newspape

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 01:48:47PM -0700, koanhead wrote: > On 09/25/2014 05:00 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:15:36PM -0700, koanhead wrote: > >> can't use. > >> > >> I brought this up once on #offtopic and was told that sysvinit doesn't > >> work on bsds (that's a parap

Re: funny text in bash history

2014-09-28 Thread Joel Rees
2014/09/28 20:17 "Cindy-Sue Causey" : > > On 9/27/14, Joel Rees wrote: > > Booted this morning, started my usual pattern of bringing the appropriate > > apt-get commands up from history. (I'm lazy, okay?) > > > > Had a bunch of unicode proxies and a reference to a backup directory that > > I have

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