Re: web browser recommendation

2025-04-04 Thread Bret Busby
On 31/3/25 03:23, Marc Shapiro wrote: I was looking into Brave the other day, but what stopped me was the lack of anything to replace Video Download Helper.  Am I missing something? Is there a way to download YouTube videos in Brave, or do I stick with Firefox? Marc To download youtube vide

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 1 Apr 2025 15:16:52 -0400 Eben King wrote: Hello Eben, >On 4/1/25 14:02, Brad Rogers wrote: >> >> The error message that now displays, is thus; I wrote none of that. You do Bret Busby, who is far more knowledgeable than I with regard to this matter, a disservice. Please take more care

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-04-01 Thread Eben King
On 4/1/25 14:02, Brad Rogers wrote: The error message that now displays, is thus; " Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of Service It looks like you may be using an ad blocker. Video playback is blocked unless YouTube is allowlisted or the ad blocker is disabled. Ads allow YouTube to be used

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 21:14:18 -0700 Marc Shapiro wrote: Hello Marc, >Yes, but that version does not download from YouTube.  I have yt-dlp, Ah; I have no interest in yt. -- Regards _ "Valid sig separator is {dash}{dash}{space}" / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immedia

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-04-01 Thread Bret Busby
On 1/4/25 12:14, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 3/30/25 12:30 PM, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 12:23:04 -0700 Marc Shapiro wrote: Hello Marc, I was looking into Brave the other day, but what stopped me was the lack of anything to replace Video Download Helper. I've got VDH installed in B

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-31 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 3/30/25 12:30 PM, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 12:23:04 -0700 Marc Shapiro wrote: Hello Marc, I was looking into Brave the other day, but what stopped me was the lack of anything to replace Video Download Helper. I've got VDH installed in Brave. https://chromewebstore.google.

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-31 Thread Marc Shapiro
I was looking into Brave the other day, but what stopped me was the lack of anything to replace Video Download Helper.  Am I missing something?  Is there a way to download YouTube videos in Brave, or do I stick with Firefox? Marc On 3/6/25 1:25 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2025

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-30 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
? > You may want to try out KDE's Falkon Web Browser. It is fast. It comes with ad blocking. Cosmetically it looks good in KDE. > > Marc > > > On 3/6/25 1:25 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 21:50:27 +0100, KISER JD wrote: > >> The C

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-30 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 12:23:04 -0700 Marc Shapiro wrote: Hello Marc, >I was looking into Brave the other day, but what stopped me was the >lack of anything to replace Video Download Helper. I've got VDH installed in Brave. https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/video-downloadhelper/lmjnegcaekl

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-15 Thread Ken Burns
On 3/9/25 1:05 AM, Christopher David Howie wrote: On 3/6/25 4:25 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: I ended up installing Brave.  Sure, it's Chromium-based, and it will eventually drop support for Manifest v2 extensions, including uBlock Origin (even though it's supported right now).  But it has its own b

web browser recommendation

2025-03-11 Thread songbird
i currently use firefox and have mostly been ok with it. would like to try something else. currently running testing. any that have any filtering capabilities? yt and a few other sites are intolerable without a decent blocker. songbird

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-11 Thread Bret Busby
On 7/3/25 01:57, Bret Busby wrote: On 7/3/25 01:32, songbird wrote:    i currently use firefox and have mostly been ok with it.    would like to try something else.    currently running testing.    any that have any filtering capabilities?  yt and a few other sites are intolerable without a d

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-11 Thread Eben King
On 3/6/25 12:32, songbird wrote: any that have any filtering capabilities? yt and a few other sites are intolerable without a decent blocker. If you're talking about ads, Noscript and Ghostery on FF take care of them for me.

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-11 Thread fxkl47BF
is anyone using opera

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-11 Thread D MacDougall
On 3/9/25 08:35, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: D MacDougall wrote: > On 3/8/25 12: 34, debian-user@ howorth. org. uk wrote: > > That's just a blank page except for a picture of a duck, the word > > DuckDuckGo and a search box. No explanation of anything D MacDougall wrote: > On 3/8/2

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-10 Thread Oliver Schode
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 11:15:12 -0400 Ken Burns wrote: > Key point: "(if the user opts-in to them)". If the user (myself > included) clicks the readily displayed option to opt out, then you > get very effective ad blocking, combined with exceptional privacy. > Yes, and since privacy is a huge field

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-09 Thread debian-user
D MacDougall wrote: > On 3/8/25 12:34, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > That's just a blank page except for a picture of a duck, the word > > DuckDuckGo and a search box. No explanation of anything at any > > length? > > > Very odd.  On my phone I see exactly what you see plus several

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-09 Thread debian-user
Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Mar 08, 2025 at 13:39:18 -0800, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > On Sat Mar 8 13:29:36 2025 debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > > D MacDougall wrote: > > >> https://duckduckgo.com > > > > > > That's just a blank page except for a picture of a duck, the word > > > D

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-09 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 11:34:41 -0400, deb...@kcburns.com wrote: > On 3/9/25 1:05 AM, Christopher David Howie wrote: > > Many of my friends keep recommending Brave, but I cannot get past the > > fact that their business model is to strip ads from sites and insert > > their own ads instead (if the

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-09 Thread debian
On 3/9/25 1:05 AM, Christopher David Howie wrote: On 3/6/25 4:25 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: I ended up installing Brave.  Sure, it's Chromium-based, and it will eventually drop support for Manifest v2 extensions, including uBlock Origin (even though it's supported right now).  But it has its own b

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-09 Thread Darac Marjal
On 08/03/2025 22:56, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Mar 08, 2025 at 13:39:18 -0800, Charlie Gibbs wrote: On Sat Mar 8 13:29:36 2025 debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: D MacDougall wrote: https://duckduckgo.com That's just a blank page except for a picture of a duck, the word DuckDuckGo and a

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-09 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Mar 9, 2025 at 4:22 AM Christopher David Howie wrote: > > On 3/6/25 4:25 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > I ended up installing Brave. Sure, it's Chromium-based, and it will > > eventually drop support for Manifest v2 extensions, including uBlock > > Origin (even though it's supported right n

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread D MacDougall
On 3/8/25 12:34, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > That's just a blank page except for a picture of a duck, the word > DuckDuckGo and a search box. No explanation of anything at any length? Very odd.  On my phone I see exactly what you see plus several other things on the page.  One other thin

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Mar 8, 2025 at 10:02 PM John Hasler wrote: > > Greg writes: > > looking at the HTML source with Ctrl-U, it's all one line. Seriously, > > who does that? > > "Website builders" and "content management systems". Modern Web > designers never deal with HTML. There are also server-side compo

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread Christopher David Howie
On 3/6/25 4:25 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: I ended up installing Brave. Sure, it's Chromium-based, and it will eventually drop support for Manifest v2 extensions, including uBlock Origin (even though it's supported right now). But it has its own built-in ad blocking*by default*, so you don't actua

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread Christopher David Howie
On 3/7/25 11:49 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: I believe all the major browsers are using Manifest v3 nowadays. Most support Mv3 now, but AFAIK only Chrome has actually disabled Mv2 support. All of my Mv2 extensions continue to work on Firefox. -- Chris Howie http://www.chrishowie.com http://en.

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread Bret Busby
On 9/3/25 06:56, Greg Wooledge wrote: P.S. looking at the HTML source with Ctrl-U, it's all one line. Seriously, who does that? hobbit:~$ xclip -o | wc 02960 44363 44 kilobytes of HTML/CSS/Javascript, all in one. stupid. line. Well, they found a way to make me stop trying to re

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 07:04:30 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > That long line of code, might not be completely stupid. It might have some > hidden AI thing (that they figure no member of the public would find, due to > the length of the line), that starts playing "Rubber Ducky, you're the one", > in a

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread John Hasler
Greg writes: > looking at the HTML source with Ctrl-U, it's all one line. Seriously, > who does that? "Website builders" and "content management systems". Modern Web designers never deal with HTML. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Mar 08, 2025 at 13:39:18 -0800, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On Sat Mar 8 13:29:36 2025 debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > D MacDougall wrote: > >> https://duckduckgo.com > > > > That's just a blank page except for a picture of a duck, the word > > DuckDuckGo and a search box. No explanation

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On Sat Mar 8 13:29:36 2025 debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > D MacDougall wrote: > >> On 2025-03-08, D MacDougall wrote: =20 > ... >>> I've been using DuckDuckGo as my primary search engine for >>> years and have found that it's gradually been improving to the >>> point that I seldom have ca

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread debian-user
D MacDougall wrote: > > On 2025-03-08, D MacDougall wrote: > ... > > > I've been using DuckDuckGo as my primary search engine for > > > years and have found that it's gradually been improving to the > > > point that I seldom have cause to use any other.  Along the way I > > > discovered that th

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread D MacDougall
On 2025-03-08, D MacDougall wrote: ... > I've been using DuckDuckGo as my primary search engine for > years and have found that it's gradually been improving to the point that > I seldom have cause to use any other.  Along the way I discovered that > they also make a browser. ... In the Play

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread Greg
On 2025-03-08, D MacDougall wrote: >> >> >I use a "DNS privé" that's effective in blocking ads on my Android phone. >> > Since the subject of browsers on phones has come up I thought I'd put in > my 2 bits.  I've been using DuckDuckGo as my primary search engine for > years and have found that it'

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread Roger Price
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, poc...@homemail.com wrote: > Pi-hole is your friend https://pi-hole.net/ Interesting, but for the moment I don't fancy pi-hole as my DNS server. Roger

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread Roger Price
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Chris Green wrote: > > > ... some humongous hosts file to block ads > > > wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/StevenBlack/hosts/master/hosts > 131425 ad servers. Fantastic! Thanks, Roger

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread debian
On 3/6/25 12:32 PM, songbird wrote: i currently use firefox and have mostly been ok with it. would like to try something else. currently running testing. any that have any filtering capabilities? yt and a few other sites are intolerable without a decent blocker. songbird h

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread Chris Green
Roger Price wrote: > On Fri, 7 Mar 2025, Greg wrote: > > > On 2025-03-07, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I believe David Wright uses some humongous hosts file to block ads on > > his computer rather than a brower add-on (if I'm remembering and > > understanding > > correctly). > > I do something si

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread Roger Price
On Fri, 7 Mar 2025, Greg wrote: > On 2025-03-07, Stefan Monnier wrote: > I believe David Wright uses some humongous hosts file to block ads on > his computer rather than a brower add-on (if I'm remembering and understanding > correctly). I do something similar but it's limited. What's the best w

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-08 Thread D MacDougall
On 2025-03-07, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> I do have uBlock Origin installed and working in the browsers as well. >>> Getting used to this and then using my phone on mobile data is a jarring >>> experience! >> >>I don't understand. Why don't you install uBlock Origin on your phone? >I use a "DNS

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-07 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2025 07 Mar 08:09 -0600, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > On Thu, 6 Mar 2025, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > My answer is to block as much as possible at my router. As I run > > OpenWrt for my router, I have the Adblock package installed and running. > > This way I get blocking applied for other

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-07 Thread didier gaumet
Hello, from what I understand, the point is not if a web browser implements Manifest V3, but how it does so. Chrome disables certain features (blocking WebRequest) used by adblockers. Chromium still allows to install Ublock Origin (normal version, not Lite version) but warns that perhaps in

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-07 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 4:25 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 21:50:27 +0100, KISER JD wrote: > > The Chromium-based browsers will soon lose many adblock capabilities due to > > Manifest V3. > > > > When I updated google-chrome-stable the other day, it informed me > that it was

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-07 Thread Greg
On 2025-03-07, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I do have uBlock Origin installed and working in the browsers as well. >> Getting used to this and then using my phone on mobile data is a jarring >> experience! > > I don't understand. Why don't you install uBlock Origin on your phone? I use a "DNS privé"

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-07 Thread fxkl47BF
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025, Nate Bargmann wrote: > My answer is to block as much as possible at my router. As I run > OpenWrt for my router, I have the Adblock package installed and running. > This way I get blocking applied for other devices such as our phones and > Chromium when it disables uBlock orig

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-07 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2025 06 Mar 21:57 -0600, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I do have uBlock Origin installed and working in the browsers as well. > > Getting used to this and then using my phone on mobile data is a jarring > > experience! > > I don't understand. Why don't you install uBlock Origin on your phone? O

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-07 Thread songbird
Greg Wooledge wrote: ... > One of the possible answers was to switch to "uBlock Origin Lite", > which is less capable (it can't "phone home" to update its block lists > because Manifest v3 doesn't permit that), but may still be good enough > for most people. > > Another answer is to use Firefox. I

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-06 Thread Max Nikulin
On 07/03/2025 04:25, Greg Wooledge wrote: One of the possible answers was to switch to "uBlock Origin Lite", which is less capable (it can't "phone home" to update its block lists because Manifest v3 doesn't permit that), but may still be good enough for most people. I believed that main limita

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I do have uBlock Origin installed and working in the browsers as well. > Getting used to this and then using my phone on mobile data is a jarring > experience! I don't understand. Why don't you install uBlock Origin on your phone? Stefan "using uMatrix on his phone"

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-06 Thread Nate Bargmann
My answer is to block as much as possible at my router. As I run OpenWrt for my router, I have the Adblock package installed and running. This way I get blocking applied for other devices such as our phones and Chromium when it disables uBlock origin. There are other options I'm aware of but have

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-06 Thread Richmond
songbird writes: > i currently use firefox and have mostly been ok with it. > > would like to try something else. > > currently running testing. > > any that have any filtering capabilities? yt and a few > other sites are intolerable without a decent blocker. > > > songbird If you wer

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-06 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 12:32:33PM -0500, songbird wrote: > i currently use firefox and have mostly been ok with it. > > would like to try something else. As far as I'm aware every alternative to Firefox is one or more of: - Chromium, so strictly worse - Based on Chromium, so strictly

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-06 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 21:50:27 +0100, KISER JD wrote: > The Chromium-based browsers will soon lose many adblock capabilities due to > Manifest V3. > When I updated google-chrome-stable the other day, it informed me that it was disabling uBlock Origin. Thus began my own search for some answers

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-06 Thread KISER JD
On Thu, Mar 6, 2025, at 18:32, songbird wrote: > i currently use firefox and have mostly been ok with it. > > would like to try something else. > > currently running testing. > > any that have any filtering capabilities? yt and a few > other sites are intolerable without a decent blocker. >

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-06 Thread Chris Green
Bret Busby wrote: > On 7/3/25 01:32, songbird wrote: > >i currently use firefox and have mostly been ok with it. > > > >would like to try something else. > > > >currently running testing. > > > >any that have any filtering capabilities? yt and a few > > other sites are intolera

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-06 Thread Frank McCormick
On 2025-03-06 12:32, songbird wrote: i currently use firefox and have mostly been ok with it. would like to try something else. currently running testing. any that have any filtering capabilities? yt and a few other sites are intolerable without a decent blocker. songbird

Re: web browser recommendation

2025-03-06 Thread Bret Busby
On 7/3/25 01:32, songbird wrote: i currently use firefox and have mostly been ok with it. would like to try something else. currently running testing. any that have any filtering capabilities? yt and a few other sites are intolerable without a decent blocker. songbird Try t

Re: Cookies in Links Web Browser

2025-02-14 Thread Oliver Schode
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 15:52:38 -0800 David Hoff Jr wrote: > I have a fresh install on Debian 12 with all updates. I am trying > to use Links web browser to access the dailycaller.com web site but am > being blocked. A message says to enable cookies which I have tried > using "link

Re: Cookies in Links Web Browser

2025-02-14 Thread Will Mengarini
* David Hoff Jr [25-02/13=Th 15:52 -0800]: > I have a fresh install on Debian 12 with all updates. I am trying > to use Links web browser to access the dailycaller.com web site but am > being blocked. A message says to enable cookies which I have tried using > "link

Cookies in Links Web Browser

2025-02-13 Thread David Hoff Jr
I have a fresh install on Debian 12 with all updates. I am trying to use Links web browser to access the dailycaller.com web site but am being blocked. A message says to enable cookies which I have tried using "links -enable-cookies dailycaller.com", but to no avail. Is there a solution

Re: Bluetooth sound problems playing from a web browser

2024-04-08 Thread Richmond
; > Richmond writes: > > > >> When playing videos in a web browser, and sending the sound to > a > >> bluetooth speaker (amazon echo) I get playback problems; > stuttering, > >> sound quality reduction to AM radio level or lower). The

Re: Bluetooth sound problems playing from a web browser

2024-04-08 Thread Richmond
Lee writes: > On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 3:30 PM Richmond wrote: >> >> Richmond writes: >> >> > Richmond writes: >> > >> >> When playing videos in a web browser, and sending the sound to a >> >> bluetooth speaker (amazon echo) I get pla

Re: Bluetooth sound problems playing from a web browser

2024-04-07 Thread Lee
On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 3:30 PM Richmond wrote: > > Richmond writes: > > > Richmond writes: > > > >> When playing videos in a web browser, and sending the sound to a > >> bluetooth speaker (amazon echo) I get playback problems; stuttering, > >> so

Re: Bluetooth sound problems playing from a web browser

2024-04-07 Thread Jan Krapivin
Have you tried a LIVE-version of another Linux distribution? It will be interesting to compare. вс, 7 апр. 2024 г. в 22:30, Richmond : > Richmond writes: > > > Richmond writes: > > > >> When playing videos in a web browser, and sending the sound to a > >> b

Re: Bluetooth sound problems playing from a web browser

2024-04-07 Thread Richmond
Richmond writes: > Richmond writes: > >> When playing videos in a web browser, and sending the sound to a >> bluetooth speaker (amazon echo) I get playback problems; stuttering, >> sound quality reduction to AM radio level or lower). These things can >> clear u

Re: Bluetooth sound problems playing from a web browser

2024-03-30 Thread Richmond
Richmond writes: > When playing videos in a web browser, and sending the sound to a > bluetooth speaker (amazon echo) I get playback problems; stuttering, > sound quality reduction to AM radio level or lower). These things can > clear up after a minute or two, or be reduced. >

Bluetooth sound problems playing from a web browser

2024-03-30 Thread Richmond
When playing videos in a web browser, and sending the sound to a bluetooth speaker (amazon echo) I get playback problems; stuttering, sound quality reduction to AM radio level or lower). These things can clear up after a minute or two, or be reduced. When playing from nvlc however I get no such

Re: 127.0.1.1 line, was Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-05 Thread David Christensen
On 8/4/23 19:26, David Wright wrote: On Thu 03 Aug 2023 at 15:56:07 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: On 8/2/23 19:05, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 07:01:22PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: Interesting. Is there a Debian specification that explains the 127.0.1.1 entry? http

Re: 127.0.1.1 line, was Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-04 Thread David Wright
On Thu 03 Aug 2023 at 15:56:07 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: > On 8/2/23 19:05, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 07:01:22PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > > Interesting. Is there a Debian specification that explains the 127.0.1.1 > > > entry? > > > > https://www.debian.or

Re: 127.0.1.1 line, was Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-03 Thread David Christensen
On 8/2/23 19:05, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 07:01:22PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: Interesting. Is there a Debian specification that explains the 127.0.1.1 entry? https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_hostname_resolution I'm sure there ar

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread David Wright
On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 14:48:30 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > On 8/2/23 13:21, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 01:07:13PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > On 8/2/23 07:14, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 08:43:32AM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > > > > > * "localh

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread tomas
On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 08:05:11PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] > show mea link to the doc that explains that please > Cheers, Gene Heskett. There's not "the doc", but many of them. For starters, rfc5735 [1] tells us that the whole subnet 127.0.0.0/8 is available for loopback purposes (I've

Re: 127.0.1.1 line, was Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread David Wright
On Thu 03 Aug 2023 at 07:48:54 (+0800), jeremy ardley wrote: > On 3/8/23 07:34, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 16:00:24 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > > > On 8/2/23 15:15, Brian wrote: > > > > > Where is the line with 127.0.1.1? Debian always provides that. > > > > > > > > > Tr

Re: 127.0.1.1 line, was Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 07:01:22PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > Interesting. Is there a Debian specification that explains the 127.0.1.1 > entry? https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_hostname_resolution I'm sure there are others, but this was the first one I

Re: 127.0.1.1 line, was Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread David Christensen
On 8/2/23 16:34, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 16:00:24 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: On 8/2/23 15:15, Brian wrote: Where is the line with 127.0.1.1? Debian always provides that. True, but I've never seen a description of what that does or what its for. https://www.debian.org/do

Re: 127.0.1.1 line, was Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread David Christensen
On 8/2/23 16:26, David Wright wrote: On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 16:00:24 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: On 8/2/23 15:15, Brian wrote: On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 14:52:26 -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 8/2/23 14:26, Brian wrote: No - that isn't the way it works. Give what is asked for, not a censored versi

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread gene heskett
On 8/2/23 17:02, Brian wrote: On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 16:00:24 -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 8/2/23 15:15, Brian wrote: On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 14:52:26 -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 8/2/23 14:26, Brian wrote: No - that isn't the way it works. Give what is asked for, not a censored version that

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread gene heskett
On 8/2/23 17:02, Brian wrote: On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 16:00:24 -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 8/2/23 15:15, Brian wrote: On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 14:52:26 -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 8/2/23 14:26, Brian wrote: No - that isn't the way it works. Give what is asked for, not a censored version that

Re: 127.0.1.1 line, was Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread jeremy ardley
On 3/8/23 07:34, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 16:00:24 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: On 8/2/23 15:15, Brian wrote: Where is the line with 127.0.1.1? Debian always provides that. True, but I've never seen a description of what that does or what its for. https://www.debian.org/d

Re: 127.0.1.1 line, was Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
> On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 16:00:24 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > On 8/2/23 15:15, Brian wrote: > > > Where is the line with 127.0.1.1? Debian always provides that. > > > > > True, but I've never seen a description of what that does or what its > > for. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-r

127.0.1.1 line, was Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread David Wright
On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 16:00:24 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > On 8/2/23 15:15, Brian wrote: > > On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 14:52:26 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > On 8/2/23 14:26, Brian wrote: > > > > No - that isn't the way it works. Give what is asked for, not a censored > > > > version that suits y

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread gene heskett
On 8/2/23 15:17, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 08:14:41PM +0100, Brian wrote: Where is the line with 127.0.1.1? Debian always provides that. Either deleted, or not provided by Armbian in the first place. In any case, it's not immediately relevant to this thread's issue, so long

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread gene heskett
On 8/2/23 15:15, Brian wrote: On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 14:52:26 -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 8/2/23 14:26, Brian wrote: No - that isn't the way it works. Give what is asked for, not a censored version that suits you. ok, same cat in full: gene@bpi52:~$ cat /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread Lee
On 8/2/23, Brian wrote: > On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 14:52:26 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > >> On 8/2/23 14:26, Brian wrote: >> > No - that isn't the way it works. Give what is asked for, not a >> > censored >> > version that suits you. >> > >> ok, same cat in full: >> gene@bpi52:~$ cat /etc/hosts >> 127

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 08:14:41PM +0100, Brian wrote: > Where is the line with 127.0.1.1? Debian always provides that. Either deleted, or not provided by Armbian in the first place. In any case, it's not immediately relevant to this thread's issue, so long as the web service doesn't redirect to

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread Andy Smith
Gene, On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 02:05:48PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > this is a blatent attack by chrome You've absolutely no evidence to suggest that, and other people have already pointed out they are unable to replicate your issues. Like almost every thread you start or derail here this is ove

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread gene heskett
On 8/2/23 14:26, Brian wrote: On Wed 02 Aug 2023 at 13:07:13 -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 8/2/23 07:14, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 08:43:32AM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: * "localhost:80" - This is ambiguous [...] It would be nice if we had an exact recipe for how to repr

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread gene heskett
On 8/2/23 13:21, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 01:07:13PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 8/2/23 07:14, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 08:43:32AM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: * "localhost:80" - This is ambiguous [...] It would be nice if we had an exact recipe for

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread gene heskett
On 8/2/23 09:42, Stefan Monnier wrote: It would be nice if we had an exact recipe for how to reproduce the problem. Failing that, it'll be up to Gene to debug the situation on his end. I'm still leaning toward an edited /etc/hosts file. My guess is that his Chrome runs in a kind of container

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 01:07:13PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 8/2/23 07:14, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 08:43:32AM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > > > * "localhost:80" - This is ambiguous > > > > [...] > > > > It would be nice if we had an exact recipe for how to reproduce

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread gene heskett
On 8/2/23 07:14, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 08:43:32AM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: * "localhost:80" - This is ambiguous [...] It would be nice if we had an exact recipe for how to reproduce the problem. Failing that, it'll be up to Gene to debug the situation on his end. I

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
> It would be nice if we had an exact recipe for how to reproduce the > problem. Failing that, it'll be up to Gene to debug the situation on > his end. I'm still leaning toward an edited /etc/hosts file. My guess is that his Chrome runs in a kind of container that doesn't have access to the host

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 08:43:32AM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > * "localhost:80" - This is ambiguous > > In the case of the latter, are you wanting to use the localhost scheme to > access the resource called 80 (now, you're going to say "There is no > protocol called localhost" and I think that Ch

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-02 Thread Darac Marjal
On 01/08/2023 10:33, gene heskett wrote: Google seems to have high jacked port 80, I cannot use it as a browser to run klipper as a google search intercepts port 80, so localhost:80 cannot be used for troubleshooting or for running a 3d printer with klipper.. I think this comes down to an amb

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-01 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Tuesday 01 August 2023 05:33:55 am gene heskett wrote: > Google seems to have high jacked port 80, I cannot use it as a browser > to run klipper as a google search intercepts port 80, so localhost:80 > cannot be used for troubleshooting or for running a 3d printer with > klipper.. > > FF has

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-01 Thread Bret Busby
On 1/8/23 20:54, gene heskett wrote: On 8/1/23 06:26, Bret Busby wrote: On 1/8/23 17:33, gene heskett wrote: Google seems to have high jacked port 80, I cannot use it as a browser to run klipper as a google search intercepts port 80, so localhost:80 cannot be used for troubleshooting or for ru

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-01 Thread gene heskett
On 8/1/23 06:26, Bret Busby wrote: On 1/8/23 17:33, gene heskett wrote: Google seems to have high jacked port 80, I cannot use it as a browser to run klipper as a google search intercepts port 80, so localhost:80 cannot be used for troubleshooting or for running a 3d printer with klipper.. F

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Aug 01, 2023 at 08:13:50AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 8/1/23 06:16, Phil Wyett wrote: > > On Tue, 2023-08-01 at 05:33 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Maybe direct this to the appropriate arena. Debians default browser is > > Firefox, if there is no issue with FF means

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-01 Thread gene heskett
On 8/1/23 06:16, Phil Wyett wrote: On Tue, 2023-08-01 at 05:33 -0400, gene heskett wrote: Google seems to have high jacked port 80, I cannot use it as a browser to run klipper as a google search intercepts port 80, so localhost:80 cannot be used for troubleshooting or for running a 3d printer wi

Re: chrome web browser worthless

2023-08-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
t; > FF has no such problems. On my system, with this package: ii google-chrome-stable 115.0.5790.110-1 amd64 The web browser from Google and with Help -> About Google Chrome showing this version string: Version 115.0.5790.110 (Official Build) (64-bit) I cannot reproduce your re

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