On 4/7/21, Dan Ritter wrote:
>> riveravaldez wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I was under the impression that (besides being fully open) Flatpak
>> had
>> better confinement method that Canonical's Snap, anybody knows if this is
>> correct?
>
> "Two years ago I wrote about then heavily-pushed Flatpak,
> self-proc
On 4/9/21 9:26 PM, Brian wrote:
In response to this well-argued post: which is less risky when not
installing a package from the archives?
* Install the vendor .deb.
* Install from the snap store.
Both are providing about the same level of isolation. One can make more
bad things with you
On 4/6/21 2:49 PM, Brian wrote:
On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 11:20:58 +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
Hello everybody out there!
On 2021/04/06 at 01:53 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
There's nothing user-unfriendly about .debs. They just don't want to
maintain their software and are looking for a "fire and fo
On Fri, 09 Apr 2021 21:30:45 +0200
Linux-Fan wrote:
> Celejar writes:
>
> > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 20:48:01 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > > On Vi, 09 apr 21, 08:02:46, Celejar wrote:
> > > > What about cases where the software simply isn't in Debian at all?
> > > > Recently, I've used Int
Celejar writes:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 20:48:01 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 09 apr 21, 08:02:46, Celejar wrote:
> > What about cases where the software simply isn't in Debian at all?
> > Recently, I've used IntelliJ IDEA and Android Studio, and I'd like to
> > set up an OwnCloud server wh
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 20:48:01 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 09 apr 21, 08:02:46, Celejar wrote:
> >
> > What about cases where the software simply isn't in Debian at all?
> > Recently, I've used IntelliJ IDEA and Android Studio, and I'd like to
> > set up an OwnCloud server when I get a cha
On Fri 09 Apr 2021 at 20:43:58 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 09 apr 21, 06:34:32, riveravaldez wrote:
> > On 4/9/21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > >
> > > Is it really unavoidable? Or just a tad less convenient?
> >
> > Well, that's a pretty subjective issue, to be honest... ;)
> >
> > >
On Vi, 09 apr 21, 08:02:46, Celejar wrote:
>
> What about cases where the software simply isn't in Debian at all?
> Recently, I've used IntelliJ IDEA and Android Studio, and I'd like to
> set up an OwnCloud server when I get a chance. These, and many other
> complex / fast-changing applications ar
On Vi, 09 apr 21, 06:34:32, riveravaldez wrote:
> On 4/9/21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >
> > Is it really unavoidable? Or just a tad less convenient?
>
> Well, that's a pretty subjective issue, to be honest... ;)
>
> > Can you pose one concrete use case where it is unavoidable?
>
> Not sure if
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 08:23:59PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 09 apr 21, 13:39:27, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 01:09:31PM +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
> > >
> > > Now, I have develop a few small applications who do not have much users
> > > and are not in the po
On Vi, 09 apr 21, 13:39:27, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 01:09:31PM +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
> >
> > Now, I have develop a few small applications who do not have much users
> > and are not in the position to integrate the distribution. For the few
> > users of these pro
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 11:01:13AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > But I'll bitch and moan loudly to my interlocutor.
>
> Good.
>
> > Perhaps I'll lie and say that I've got just a telephone or something.
>
> Better not: better tell them clearly why you refuse to use that tool.
I forgot the ton
Hello everybody out there!
On 2021/04/09 at 2:51 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> I still love the classical distro model: a stable base which doesn't
> move too quickly (and thus doesn't require much of my attention),
> which is well-vetted by maintainers (*thank you so much*), and a
> cou
Hello everybody out there!
On 2021/04/09 at 2:45 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> But that only really works out when the customer is nearly all-Debian,
> which this one is.
Like I said: not all the users are on Debian.
Best regards.
--
Yoann LE BARS
https://le-bars.net/yoann/
D
> But I'll bitch and moan loudly to my interlocutor.
Good.
> Perhaps I'll lie and say that I've got just a telephone or something.
Better not: better tell them clearly why you refuse to use that tool.
We have a duty to educate, I think.
Stefan
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 08:12:35 -0600
Charles Curley wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:39:23 +0200
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > > Sorry, I meant NextCloud
> >
> > I see. I kept myself confusing those two for a while.
> >
> > AFAIK it's packaged in Debian? Too old?
>
> I use the zip package from
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 09:43:47AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-04-09 at 09:39, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 09:28:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> Sorry, I meant NextCloud
> >
> > I see. I kept myself confusing those two for a while.
> >
> > A
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:39:23 +0200
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 09:28:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Sorry, I meant NextCloud
>
> I see. I kept myself confusing those two for a while.
>
> AFAIK it's packaged in Debian? Too old?
The client is, but the server isn
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:39:23 +0200
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Sorry, I meant NextCloud
>
> I see. I kept myself confusing those two for a while.
>
> AFAIK it's packaged in Debian? Too old?
I use the zip package from the NextCloud web site. Once you do the
manual install, it will update itself
On 2021-04-09 at 09:39, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 09:28:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Sorry, I meant NextCloud
>
> I see. I kept myself confusing those two for a while.
>
> AFAIK it's packaged in Debian? Too old?
What package are you thinking of?
When I 'a
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 09:28:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
[...]
> Sorry, I meant NextCloud
I see. I kept myself confusing those two for a while.
AFAIK it's packaged in Debian? Too old?
> > I still love the classical distro model [...]
> I fully agree, but the fact is that some really useful so
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 02:07:33PM +0100, Joe wrote:
[...]
> There's a lot to be said for web applications [...]
Not my cup of tea. As a user, I downright *hate* them. As a devel
(I'm currently working on such a PHP/Javascript nightmare myself),
I pity the users.
But there must be cup-of-teas f
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 14:51:29 +0200
wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 08:02:46AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 09:21:49 +0200
> > wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > Can you pose one concrete use case where it is unavoidable?
> >
> > What about cases where the software simply isn't in Debian
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 01:55:21PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 12:51:14 +0200
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Capitalists are like that.
> >
>
> Non-capitalists (i.e. governments) don't need to be [...]
(responded in private, to avoid starting an OT flood :)
> > Up to now, I've avoided the
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 14:45:31 +0200
wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 01:48:44PM +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Concerning my own applications (they use a free licence),
> > really, it is better not to engage any integration into Debian: it
> > is not worth the effort nor for me,
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 12:51:14 +0200
wrote:
>
> Capitalists are like that.
>
Non-capitalists (i.e. governments) don't need to be, they simply
imprison you if you don't do things their way. I still have a choice
whether to use Zoom, etc., or at least a choice whether to install it
on a computer I
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 08:02:46AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 09:21:49 +0200
> wrote:
[...]
> > Can you pose one concrete use case where it is unavoidable?
>
> What about cases where the software simply isn't in Debian at all?
> Recently, I've used IntelliJ IDEA and Android Stud
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 01:48:44PM +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
[...]
> Concerning my own applications (they use a free licence), really, it is
> better not to engage any integration into Debian: it is not worth the
> effort nor for me, my users and the distribution. You cannot integrate
> a
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 04:15:07 -0300
riveravaldez wrote:
...
> I'm still with the doubt. Even considering all this: which has better
> (or less-worse) confinement, Flatpak or Snap (or AppImage)?
>
> Trying to decide which is less-worse in a scenario of unavoidable
> use of some of these.
A third
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 09:21:49 +0200
wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 04:15:07AM -0300, riveravaldez wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Trying to decide which is less-worse in a scenario of unavoidable
> > use of some of these.
>
> Is it really unavoidable? Or just a tad less convenient?
>
> Can you pose on
Hello everybody out there!
On 2021/04/09 at 1:39 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> I have found some bugs in Musescore that are corrected on a higher
>> version than the one available in stable.
>>
>> I need some functionalities available in Ardour 6, which is not
>> available in stable.
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 01:09:31PM +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
>
> Hello everybody out there!
>
> On 2021/04/09 at 09:21 am, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Can you pose one concrete use case where it is unavoidable?
>
> I have found some bugs in Musescore that are corrected on a higher
> vers
Hello everybody out there!
On 2021/04/09 at 09:21 am, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Can you pose one concrete use case where it is unavoidable?
I have found some bugs in Musescore that are corrected on a higher
version than the one available in stable.
I need some functionalities a
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 06:34:32AM -0300, riveravaldez wrote:
> On 4/9/21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 04:15:07AM -0300, riveravaldez wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> Trying to decide which is less-worse in a scenario of unavoidable
> >> use of some of these.
> >
> > Is it rea
On 4/9/21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 04:15:07AM -0300, riveravaldez wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Trying to decide which is less-worse in a scenario of unavoidable
>> use of some of these.
>
> Is it really unavoidable? Or just a tad less convenient?
Well, that's a pretty subjectiv
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 04:15:07AM -0300, riveravaldez wrote:
[...]
> Trying to decide which is less-worse in a scenario of unavoidable
> use of some of these.
Is it really unavoidable? Or just a tad less convenient?
Can you pose one concrete use case where it is unavoidable?
This may sound as
On 4/7/21, Dan Ritter wrote:
> riveravaldez wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, Brian wrote:
>> > On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 11:20:58 +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
>> >
>> > I had occasion to install Zoom a few weeks ago;'snap install
>> > zoom-client'.
>> > Everything went smoothly and I quite like ha
riveravaldez wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 11:20:58 +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
> >
> > I had occasion to install Zoom a few weeks ago;'snap install zoom-client'.
> > Everything went smoothly and I quite like having this proprietary package
> > strictl
On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 11:20:58 +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
>
> I had occasion to install Zoom a few weeks ago;'snap install zoom-client'.
> Everything went smoothly and I quite like having this proprietary package
> strictly confined.
Hi, I was under the
On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 12:49:14 +0100
Brian wrote:
> On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 11:20:58 +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello everybody out there!
> >
> > On 2021/04/06 at 01:53 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > There's nothing user-unfriendly about .debs. They just don't want to
> > > maintain the
On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 11:20:58 +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
>
> Hello everybody out there!
>
> On 2021/04/06 at 01:53 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > There's nothing user-unfriendly about .debs. They just don't want to
> > maintain their software and are looking for a "fire and forget"
> > solution.
Hello everybody out there!
On 2021/04/06 at 01:53 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
> There's nothing user-unfriendly about .debs. They just don't want to
> maintain their software and are looking for a "fire and forget"
> solution. I can't see this as anything but a bad thing, something the
> world can
On 4/5/21 4:53 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 11:39 AM George Shuklin
mailto:george.shuk...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It looks to me like they desperately want to jump away from debs into
'vendor friendly packaging'
There's nothing user-unfriendly about .debs. They just don
On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 11:39 AM George Shuklin
wrote:
> It looks to me like they desperately want to jump away from debs into
> 'vendor friendly packaging'
>
There's nothing user-unfriendly about .debs. They just don't want to
maintain their software and are looking for a "fire and forget" solu
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 07:38:53PM +0300, George Shuklin wrote:
> I'd like to stir some debates.
>
> Ubuntu (which is 'enterprise friendly Debian with ambivalent feeling about
> free software') started to push snaps onto servers for real. It looks to me
> like they desperately want to jump away fr
I'd like to stir some debates.
Ubuntu (which is 'enterprise friendly Debian with ambivalent feeling
about free software') started to push snaps onto servers for real. It
looks to me like they desperately want to jump away from debs into
'vendor friendly packaging'. Is it so?
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