Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-16 Thread Nicolas George
L'octidi 28 messidor, an CCXXIII, Dan Ritter a écrit : > Try decoding your mp3 with mpg123 or mplayer. aplay doesn't know > what the format is, and is pushing the raw bitstream out. Exactly. > Try aplay -L to get a list of devices that alsa knows about. > > mplayer will take "-ao alsa:device="

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-16 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:30:33PM -0700, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > I read this with great interest because I lost sound some time ago and > don't know anything about it, or how to control it. > I'm running Xubuntu 14.04.4, on a brand-new ASUS Z97 Deluxe mobo, with both > HDMI monitors and onboard In

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-16 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
I read this with great interest because I lost sound some time ago and don't know anything about it, or how to control it. I'm running Xubuntu 14.04.4, on a brand-new ASUS Z97 Deluxe mobo, with both HDMI monitors and onboard Intel sound chips. The monitors have no speakers, so the HDMI channel is

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-16 Thread Erwan David
Le 16/07/2015 20:36, Nicolas George a écrit : > L'octidi 28 messidor, an CCXXIII, Joel Roth a écrit : >> The snd_pcm_oss kernel module, when loaded, provides >> /dev/dsp for compatibility with OSS applications. > But as I explained, it loses most benefits from ALSA; aoss has that problem > less. >

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-16 Thread Nicolas George
L'octidi 28 messidor, an CCXXIII, Joel Roth a écrit : > The snd_pcm_oss kernel module, when loaded, provides > /dev/dsp for compatibility with OSS applications. But as I explained, it loses most benefits from ALSA; aoss has that problem less. > Calling mplayer with --ao=alsa should play via the d

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-16 Thread Joel Roth
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 06:15:42AM -0500, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > Joel Roth writes: > > Hi Martin, > > > Pulse audio requires D-Bus, and D-Bus is the underlying RPC > > mechanism of a large and controversial software stack > > developed to support desktop applications. > > Thank you for this

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-16 Thread Martin Read
On 16/07/15 13:56, Nicolas George wrote: the authors should not be allowed near a keyboard. I find myself increasingly impatient with that kind of line (which, admittedly, I have sometimes succumbed to the temptation of in the past); it carries with it the distinctive odour of anti-rehabilita

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 16 July 2015 13:59:28 Nicolas George wrote: > I am sorry for you, but you could, and should, have just asked the question > instead of biting someone unrelated's head off. > > That is the second time, in as many threads we both intervene, that you > answer disparagingly to one of my mes

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-16 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 02:56:38PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > L'octidi 28 messidor, an CCXXIII, Mart van de Wege a écrit : > > As you said, that's your opinion. I like being able to easily switch my > > sound from speakers to a USB or Bluetooth device, for example. > > There is this, which is

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-16 Thread Nicolas George
Le septidi 27 messidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > Yes, but I am interested in how, being partuially sighted myself. I am sorry for you, but you could, and should, have just asked the question instead of biting someone unrelated's head off. That is the second time, in as many threads we b

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-16 Thread Nicolas George
L'octidi 28 messidor, an CCXXIII, Mart van de Wege a écrit : > As you said, that's your opinion. I like being able to easily switch my > sound from speakers to a USB or Bluetooth device, for example. There is this, which is less a matter of opinion: having the daemon just installed, even without u

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-16 Thread Martin G. McCormick
Joel Roth writes: > Hi Martin, > Pulse audio requires D-Bus, and D-Bus is the underlying RPC > mechanism of a large and controversial software stack > developed to support desktop applications. Thank you for this good and quick explanation. > > Apparently pulseaudio is unable to get D-Bus servi

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-16 Thread Mart van de Wege
Nicolas George writes: > Le septidi 27 messidor, an CCXXIII, Martin G. McCormick a écrit : >> The only reason I put pulseaudio on here was way back >> when I was running lenny and had no /dev/dsp. Someone suggested >> installing pulseaudio. I did. /dev/dsp came back and life >> marched on. >

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Joel Roth
Hi Martin, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > I'm the one who has been asking questions about getting an > old Dell Dimension mother board with an on-board CS4236 sound > card to work again after upgrading to wheezy. [] > This system also has no X-windows clients and thus is a > comma

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Martin G. McCormick
The audio FAQ on the debian wiki does say that sometimes support for certain sound cards is removed from new kernels due to licensing issues. It is always possible that this is what happened but since there is a module right there in the only 3.x kernal on this system, I think that it is mo

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Martin G. McCormick
Nicolas George writes: > Le septidi 27 messidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a e'crit : > > How are you getting these useful error meassages if sound isn't > working? Did > > oyu say atht you are sshing in from a working box? > > Usually, error messages are to be read on the screen. Martin wrote he r

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Dan Ritter
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:56:45PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 15 July 2015 22:19:36 Nicolas George wrote: > > Le septidi 27 messidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > > > But possibly the only ones he would be able to use. He is blind. If he > > > is not sshing in from a computer w

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 15 July 2015 23:56:45 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 15 July 2015 22:19:36 Nicolas George wrote: > > Le septidi 27 messidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > > > But possibly the only ones he would be able to use. He is blind. If > > > he is not sshing in from a computer with sou

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 15 July 2015 22:19:26 Martin Read wrote: > On 15/07/15 21:44, Nicolas George wrote: > > In my opinion, PulseAudio is only good for messing things up. The > > features it brings are of doubtful usefulness for most users and the > > brittleness and complexity it introduces are very real.

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 15 July 2015 22:19:36 Nicolas George wrote: > Le septidi 27 messidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > > But possibly the only ones he would be able to use. He is blind. If he > > is not sshing in from a computer with sound, he must have something like > > a braille display, and t

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Martin Read
On 15/07/15 21:44, Nicolas George wrote: In my opinion, PulseAudio is only good for messing things up. The features it brings are of doubtful usefulness for most users and the brittleness and complexity it introduces are very real. For a contrasting angle on this, I've found Debian with PA to b

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Nicolas George
Le septidi 27 messidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > But possibly the only ones he would be able to use. He is blind. If he is > not sshing in from a computer with sound, he must have something like a > braille display, and they are expensive and limiting. Hence my question. Once again

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 15 July 2015 22:09:14 Nicolas George wrote: > Usually, error messages are to be read on the screen. Martin wrote he ran > commands and observed the output, we can deduce that the non-working sound > cards are definitely not the only output device available on this computer. But possib

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Nicolas George
Le septidi 27 messidor, an CCXXIII, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > How are you getting these useful error meassages if sound isn't working? Did > oyu say atht you are sshing in from a working box? Usually, error messages are to be read on the screen. Martin wrote he ran commands and observed the output,

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 15 July 2015 21:44:26 Nicolas George wrote: > If anything fails to work and does not print any useful error message, How are you getting these useful error meassages if sound isn't working? Did oyu say atht you are sshing in from a working box? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to d

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 15 July 2015 20:44:14 Martin G. McCormick wrote: > one > of the neat things about Linux is that it isn't or at least > wasn't quite as picky about hardware. That was then. I used to laud that almost more than anything. Sadly no longer true. Though the kernel modules should still

Re: the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Nicolas George
Le septidi 27 messidor, an CCXXIII, Martin G. McCormick a écrit : > The only reason I put pulseaudio on here was way back > when I was running lenny and had no /dev/dsp. Someone suggested > installing pulseaudio. I did. /dev/dsp came back and life > marched on. This was a bad suggestion. /d

the State of Linux Audio

2015-07-15 Thread Martin G. McCormick
I'm the one who has been asking questions about getting an old Dell Dimension mother board with an on-board CS4236 sound card to work again after upgrading to wheezy. For years, I have had pulseaudio and alsa on this system and have also seen what I will describe as weirdness which