Gian Uberto Lauri writes:
> Scott Ferguson writes:
> > On 20/02/14 07:52, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > > I suggest you to contact undeveloped maintainer and edit the systems
> page on Wikipedia?
> >
> > Not sure if you meant the "systems"
>
> It was the tablet "ortographic mangler
Scott Ferguson writes:
> On 20/02/14 07:52, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > I suggest you to contact undeveloped maintainer and edit the systems page
> > on Wikipedia?
>
> Not sure if you meant the "systems"
It was the tablet "ortographic mangler" that knows nothing about
systemd. I did
On 20/02/14 07:52, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> I suggest you to contact undeveloped maintainer and edit the systems page on
> Wikipedia?
Not sure if you meant the "systems" i.e. udev, or systemd. I suspect you
mean the udev page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udev
The primary developer who works o
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Subject: Re: systemd: some more questions
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:07:28 +0100
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I suggest you to contact undeveloped maintainer and edit the systems page on
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> On 19/feb/2014, at 21:04, Chris Bannister wrote:
>
>
> [You snipped the attribution!]
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 03:01:56PM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 06:34:35PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2014-02-19 at 15:01 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > AFAIK udev is part of systemd
>
> It was merged by upstream a long, long time ago.
Have you got any proof?
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On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 03:01:56PM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > > (AFAIK this has nothing at all to do with systemd, other than udev
> > > sharing its git repository and a certian amount of FUD possibly going
> on.)
>
> AFAIK udev is part of systemd
That
On Wed, 2014-02-19 at 15:01 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> AFAIK udev is part of systemd
It was merged by upstream a long, long time ago.
Semi-OT
From: Michael Banck
Cc:debian-...@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Init system for non-Linux ports
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:56:30 +0
Tom H writes:
It took me a bit of time to gather the informations I needed. I can bet that
this did not disturb you.
The good thing (at least for me :)) is that systemd + systemd-sysv
make the new system a drop-in replacement. Sometimes other issues are
more important that boot speed.
> >
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Joey Hess wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
>>
>> Adding this to the kernel's cmcline is one of the simplest changes
>> when upgrading from wheezy to jessie whether you have one or many
>> servers.
>
> Any existing Debian system with udev installed has a file
> /etc/udev/rules
Sons of the icon :).
The shell was the very first environment I worked on where you did not
need to use a special naming convention or some ad hoc command to
run your programs, therefore your programs (executable binaries or
scripts) became "system commands" themselves.
Indeed there may be som
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Chris Bannister
wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 03:39:30PM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>> Am I the only one there who readed this
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unix_Programming_Environment?
>>
>> (once reading this you think that the .sh suffix is not on
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 03:39:30PM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Am I the only one there who readed this
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unix_Programming_Environment?
>
> (once reading this you think that the .sh suffix is not only
> unnecessary, it is UGLY!)
Well, it does save using the
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:50:36 -0500
Tom H wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Reco wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:49:03 -0500
> > Tom H wrote:
>
>
> >> It has nothing to do with Red Hat's ifcfg network scripts or with
> >> network Manager.
> >
> > Apparently that's why it was introduc
Tom H wrote:
> Adding this to the kernel's cmcline is one of the simplest changes
> when upgrading from wheezy to jessie whether you have one or many
> servers.
Any existing Debian system with udev installed has a file
/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
that forces udev to use the same netw
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Gian Uberto Lauri
wrote:
>> On 14/feb/2014, at 19:30, Tom H wrote:
>>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>>> Ralf Mardorf writes:
> On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 06:59 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> I still cringe when I think of the
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Reco wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:49:03 -0500
> Tom H wrote:
>> It has nothing to do with Red Hat's ifcfg network scripts or with
>> network Manager.
>
> Apparently that's why it was introduced in Fedora before anybody else
> did.
The relevance being?
>> A
Adding that line on several servers is still doing work on several servers. Is
that clear?
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> On 14/feb/2014, at 19:30, Tom H wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>> Ralf Mardorf writes:
On Fri, 2014-02-1
Le 14/02/2014 19:49, Tom H a écrit :
> There are drawbacks to (almost) everything: the new behavior makes us
> have to put with weird and unfamiliar nic names. As I posted earlier,
> there's a kernel cmdline option to enable/disable this behavior.
It also breaks completely portability of scripts
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:49:03 -0500
Tom H wrote:
> It has nothing to do with Red Hat's ifcfg network scripts or with
> network Manager.
Apparently that's why it was introduced in Fedora before anybody else
did.
> And it has nothing to do with Red Hat not having the udev net rules
> generator -
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Reco wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:42:54 +0100
> "Gian Uberto Lauri" wrote:
>> Brian writes:
>>> On Fri 14 Feb 2014 at 14:11:30 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
Ralf Mardorf writes:
> During setting up Arch Linux with systemd the device name switch
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 19:04:24 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 21:37 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 14:48:53 +0100
> > Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > > PS:
> > >
> > > [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /usr/local/sbin/alice
> > > [snip]
> > > ip link set enp3s0 up
> > >
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf writes:
>> On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 06:59 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>>
>>> I still cringe when I think of the first time I replaced ethernet card
>>> in a server and udev changed the name
>
> I had to patch the udev conf in
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Tom H writes:
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>>>
>>> let's assume that I have to execute a script after S10checkfs/
>>> S11mountall and before S13networking.
>>>
>>> Do I find a clear, reliable set of instru
On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 21:37 +0400, Reco wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 14:48:53 +0100
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> > PS:
> >
> > [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /usr/local/sbin/alice
> > [snip]
> > ip link set enp3s0 up
> > [snip]
>
> ip link set enp3s0 name eth0
>
> :)
I'm to lazy to do research r
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:42:54 +0100
"Gian Uberto Lauri" wrote:
> Brian writes:
> > On Fri 14 Feb 2014 at 14:11:30 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> >
> > > Ralf Mardorf writes:
> > >
> > > > During setting up Arch Linux with systemd the device name switched
> from
> > > > eth0 to enp3s
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 14:48:53 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> PS:
>
> [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /usr/local/sbin/alice
> [snip]
> ip link set enp3s0 up
> [snip]
ip link set enp3s0 name eth0
:)
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Brian writes:
> On Fri 14 Feb 2014 at 14:11:30 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>
> > Ralf Mardorf writes:
> >
> > > During setting up Arch Linux with systemd the device name switched from
> > > eth0 to enp3s0 on my machine.
> >
> > Any reason for this?
>
> http://www.freedesktop.or
On 2014-02-14 13:25 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 06:59 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> I still cringe when I think of the first time I replaced ethernet card
>> in a server and udev changed the name
>
> During setting up Arch Linux with systemd the device name switched from
I wrote:
> Are you prepared to help maintain [runit], both upstream and as a
> Debian package? That is what is needed. Systemd is going to be the
> Debian default but alternatives will be allowed.
Dan Ritter writes:
> That's precisely what I'm considering.
Excellent. There is already a runit p
Ralf Mardorf writes:
> On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 15:41 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Ralf Mardorf writes:
> >
> > > Systemd isn't the end of the world and it isn't the end of
> > > Linux.
> >
> > As I said, it could.
>
> A PITA isn't the end ;), it's easy to survive, it's just a PIT
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 07:45:00AM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Dan Ritter writes:
> > For Jessie? I'm considering how much of a pain it would be to maintain
> > runit as an init system across my company's infrastructure. Since we
> > don't need GNOME, it seems plausible.
>
> Are you prepared to h
On Fri 14 Feb 2014 at 14:11:30 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf writes:
>
> > During setting up Arch Linux with systemd the device name switched from
> > eth0 to enp3s0 on my machine.
>
> Any reason for this?
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkIn
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 15:41 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
Ralf Mardorf writes:
> Systemd isn't the end of the world and it isn't the end of
> Linux.
As I said, it could.
A PITA isn't the end ;), it's easy to survive, it's just a PITA.
On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 09:33 -05
On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 10:03 -0500, Jeff Bauer wrote:
> Please make the voices stop...
No flame and some fair questions. Pff?!
No reply from you to help somebody who is willing to switch to systemd?
Please, stop your voice.
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On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 15:41 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf writes:
>
> > Systemd isn't the end of the world and it isn't the end of
> > Linux.
>
> As I said, it could.
A PITA isn't the end ;), it's easy to survive, it's just a PITA.
On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 09:33 -0500, Miles Fid
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
I think I would program my editor to work on some kind of
/usr/bin/find output.
Am I the only one there who readed this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unix_Programming_Environment?
Hell no. The first day I got to BBN (back in 1992) I was handed that, a
copy of "Th
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Ralf Mardorf writes:
> Systemd isn't the end of the world and it isn't the end of
> Linux.
As I said, it could.
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Ralf Mardorf writes:
> > Any reason for this?
> >
> > This could create "a certain amount of work" to people used to
> > automate things by means of shell scripts...
>
> It's not only work to edit scripts,
And hunting those you wrote years I wonder how will libvirt react
to th
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 08:30 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
One good thing about this thread (and the NSA one, for that matter) is
that I now have "systemd could be a problem" firmly planted in the back
of my head.
I wasted too much time with being all churned up inside. Many A
On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 08:30 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> One good thing about this thread (and the NSA one, for that matter) is
> that I now have "systemd could be a problem" firmly planted in the back
> of my head.
I wasted too much time with being all churned up inside. Many Arch folks
had t
On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 14:43 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 14:11 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Ralf Mardorf writes:
> > > On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 06:59 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > > > I still cringe when I think of the first time I replaced ethernet card
> > > > in
Dan Ritter writes:
> For Jessie? I'm considering how much of a pain it would be to maintain
> runit as an init system across my company's infrastructure. Since we
> don't need GNOME, it seems plausible.
Are you prepared to help maintain it, both upstream and as a Debian
package? That is what is
On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 14:11 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf writes:
> > On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 06:59 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > > I still cringe when I think of the first time I replaced ethernet card
> > > in a server and udev changed the name
>
> I had to patch the udev c
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 06:59 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
I still cringe when I think of the first time I replaced ethernet card
in a server and udev changed the name
During setting up Arch Linux with systemd the device name switched from
eth0 to enp3s0 on my machine. Fortuna
Ralf Mardorf writes:
> On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 06:59 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > I still cringe when I think of the first time I replaced ethernet card
> > in a server and udev changed the name
I had to patch the udev conf in a VM image template to overcome this :).
> During setting up Ar
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 06:59:06AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> I haven't switched to Wheezy yet, and now this comes up. It's
> starting to sound like udev all over again. I still cringe when I
> think of the first time I replaced ethernet card in a server and
> udev changed the name -- took
On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 06:59 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> I still cringe when I think of the first time I replaced ethernet card
> in a server and udev changed the name
During setting up Arch Linux with systemd the device name switched from
eth0 to enp3s0 on my machine. Fortunately this was docu
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
But I fear a situation like this:
Random J. Hacker: "We could use a Debian stable server for this, but I
have to go and see how to port our boot script
..."
Project M. Anager: "Go and see?"
Random J. Hacker: "Yes, they changed the boo
Tom H writes:
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> >
> > let's assume that I have to execute a script after S10checkfs/
> > S11mountall and before S13networking.
> >
> > Do I find a clear, reliable set of instructions to achieve this goal?
> >
> > At this time my f
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>
> let's assume that I have to execute a script after S10checkfs/
> S11mountall and before S13networking.
>
> Do I find a clear, reliable set of instructions to achieve this goal?
>
> At this time my fear is that systemd turns out as a ver
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:00 AM, Scott Ferguson
wrote:
> On 13/02/14 19:12, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>> let's assume that I have to execute a script after S10checkfs/
>> S11mountall and before S13networking.
>
> My experience with systemd is limited, but so far (Wheezy) everything
> "just worked
Ralf Mardorf writes:
> On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 12:44 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > I differentiate between "those in charge" and "Gods".
>
> We atheists don't differ ;). You're likely an agnostics or believer. Am
> I right?
It is not a religious subject, my apologies if I hurted somebody
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 20:00 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> Make the script S12whatever and then install systemd(?)
>
> You need to make a _unit_ to start the S12whatever script, no need for
> the "S12" you can call it "whatever", but you need
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:12:11PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 11:29 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Another question. Systemd will continue to let me use the systemv
> > scripts?
>
> Perhaps Debian makes this available during the transition. I use Debian
> without syste
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 12:44 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> I differentiate between "those in charge" and "Gods".
We atheists don't differ ;). You're likely an agnostics or believer. Am
I right?
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Scott Ferguson writes:
> On 13/02/14 21:41, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Scott Ferguson writes:
> >
> > > So far I'm impressed with
> > > the increased configurability, and especially, the faster boot-times
> > > (SLA goodness!).
> >
> > Interesting, even if booting is not what my "it
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 22:13 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> only you can determine what best suits it.
On Arch I used initscripts as long as possible, then I didn't use Arch
for a while and then I made a new install of Arch with systemd.
For Debian I still use the V-thingy and once Debian comes wi
On 13/02/14 21:41, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Scott Ferguson writes:
>
> > So far I'm impressed with
> > the increased configurability, and especially, the faster boot-times
> > (SLA goodness!).
>
> Interesting, even if booting is not what my "it should have been a
> laptop" does most, last wa
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 11:29 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Another question. Systemd will continue to let me use the systemv
> scripts?
Perhaps Debian makes this available during the transition. I use Debian
without systemd. However, you could try to start those scripts by a
systemd unit and se
Ralf Mardorf writes:
> [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat
> /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/alice.service
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Scott Ferguson writes:
> So far I'm impressed with
> the increased configurability, and especially, the faster boot-times
> (SLA goodness!).
Interesting, even if booting is not what my "it should have been a
laptop" does most, last was more than a week ago.
> Make the script S12whatever and
Ralf Mardorf writes:
> On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 09:12 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
[... omissis ...]
> > Do I find a clear, reliable set of instructions to achieve this goal?
[... omissis ...]
> "Handling dependencies
> With systemd, dependencies can be resolved by designing the unit files
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 20:00 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> Make the script S12whatever and then install systemd(?)
You need to make a _unit_ to start the S12whatever script, no need for
the "S12" you can call it "whatever", but you need to edit a unit. FWIW
all jokes about systemd units using Came
On 13/02/14 19:12, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> One more question about systemd:
>
> let's assume that I have to execute a script after S10checkfs/
> S11mountall and before S13networking.
My experience with systemd is limited, but so far (Wheezy) everything
"just worked". I haven't been using it l
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 09:12 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> One more question about systemd:
>
> let's assume that I have to execute a script after S10checkfs/
> S11mountall and before S13networking.
>
> Do I find a clear, reliable set of instructions to achieve this goal?
>
> At this time my
One more question about systemd:
let's assume that I have to execute a script after S10checkfs/
S11mountall and before S13networking.
Do I find a clear, reliable set of instructions to achieve this goal?
At this time my fear is that systemd turns out as a very nice tool for
personal pc but a PI
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