On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:19:52 +, Chris Lale
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Here are some results and ideas from my initial research:
>
>1. Basic Debian documentation
>a. The installation manual 'Installing Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 for Intel
>x86' is available in pdf format. 124 pages of A4 80gsm sing
> Levi Waldron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think a printed and bound copy of the installation manual and
> things from Newbiedoc, with an insert containing the CDs (as many as
> possible) would make a wonderful package for libraries to lend out.
> Simple binding is very cheap at photocopy stor
On November 9, 2002 07:35 am, Chris Lale wrote:
> Thanks for the encouraging comments Levi.
Well, thanks for your efforts! I'd definitely like to keep up with your
progress and also do some distribution of a GNU/Linux package to local
libraries, friends, etc. I wonder if anyone has put togeth
Levi Waldron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think a printed and bound copy of the installation manual and things from
Newbiedoc, with an insert containing the CDs (as many as possible) would make
a wonderful package for libraries to lend out. Simple binding is very cheap
at photocopy stores. (a
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 09:35:10PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote:
> > > I'm sure it will be, once mplayer actually makes it into Debian. There
> > > _still_ seems to be license problems, sadly...
> >
> > So that's why it's in main now, right?
>
> Hmmm...I don't think it is. At least according to packag
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 12:09:20AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 04:05:40PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote:
> > > It works exceptionally well. However, adding non-free codecs is
> > > non-trivial. I wish that this package would have
> >
> > Using Windows DLL's (at least) seem to be
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 04:05:40PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote:
> > It works exceptionally well. However, adding non-free codecs is
> > non-trivial. I wish that this package would have
>
> Using Windows DLL's (at least) seem to be as easy as dropping them in
> /usr/lib/win32/ and restart mplayer. But
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:05:11PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Acroread is broken in sid, currently. I'd love to see something that
> works as well as acroread is supposed to, with a mozilla plugin, but
> isn't acroread. Is xpdf still a bit gimpy or is it a suitable
> replacement, now? If it is
On November 8, 2002 04:48 am, Chris Lale wrote:
> 4. What printed documentation might be included in the form of a booklet?
> - Installation Manual (from Debian Web site).
> - Documents from the Newbiedoc Project at Sourceforge.
> - Other suggestions please?
I think a printed and bound copy of the
Pigeon writes:
> All UK libraries I've ever come across, you pay a fee to borrow CDs &
> cassettes, which you don't get back - not a deposit. When they were
> lending LPs and cassettes, there was a good excuse for it, the need to
> pay for damage & replace material (not that they ever did...).
I'm
On 07 Nov 2002 11:10:38 -0500, "Mark L. Kahnt"
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>On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 10:54, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 03:25:21AM +, Pigeon wrote:
>> > On 06 Nov 2002 17:52:33 -0600, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > They do lend non-free cassettes and CDs
I have been discussing this with some UK librarians.
Locally there is an FE College library, a public library and secondary
school libraries. All are professionally staffed.
The college library and the public library currently loan CDs. The
public library makes a small rental charge similar to
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 06:42:41PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> AFAIK, Debian CD sets usually don't contain non-free. Indeed, it's not
> likely to be much of a problem for first-time users any more - the main
> concern around the time of potato was Netscape, and Mozilla is a more
> than adequate r
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 05:12:22PM +, Chris Lale wrote:
> I should think that first-time users would not worry that non-free .debs
> were not included in the distribution. Is there any non-free software in
> the distribution CD ISO files? If there is, is it possible to produce a
> set of ISO
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 17:00:18 -0800
From: Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[big snips here & below]
>> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 05:52:33PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
>>> Paul Johnson writes:
>>> Non-free would be too much legal effort for a library to go
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 05:12:22PM +, Chris Lale wrote:
> I should think that first-time users would not worry that non-free .debs
> were not included in the distribution. Is there any non-free software in
> the distribution CD ISO files? If there is, is it possible to produce a
> set of ISO
Chris Lale writes:
> Is there any non-free software in the distribution CD ISO files?
No. Non-free is not officially part of Debian.
> Would it be sensible for a library to offer the loan of, say, the first
> two binary CDs?
I suppose so, but why not offer the full set of binary CDs?
> Is the
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 01:13:41PM +0100, James Finch wrote:
could uk librarys lend debian? make things difficult for microsoft
Yes, they can (Main and Contrib at least). The GPL allows for
infinite redistribution. Non-free would be too much legal e
On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 10:54, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 03:25:21AM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > On 06 Nov 2002 17:52:33 -0600, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > They do lend non-free cassettes and CDs of copyrighted music at a quid
> > a shot or thereabouts.
>
> You have to pay
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 03:25:21AM +, Pigeon wrote:
> On 06 Nov 2002 17:52:33 -0600, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They do lend non-free cassettes and CDs of copyrighted music at a quid
> a shot or thereabouts.
You have to pay your library to borrow CDs and cassettes?
-rob
msg11
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 03:25:21AM +, Pigeon wrote:
> They do lend non-free cassettes and CDs of copyrighted music at a quid
> a shot or thereabouts.
In at least Multnomah County and Washington County, Oregon, the
libraries will loan books, cassettes, CDs, DVDs, VHS, and Super8 for
free. Perio
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 05:00:18PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote:
>> No package in Debian can have such a clause. See:
>>
>> http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html#guidelines
>
> However, non-free does include packages that do not meet those
> requireme
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 05:00:18PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote:
> No package in Debian can have such a clause. See:
>
> http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html#guidelines
However, non-free does include packages that do not meet those
requirements. Specifically, pine.
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Pigeon writes:
> Huh? Do you have to pay to get a book out of a library in the US then?
In the US lending and renting is entirely outside the scope of copyright
law. This appears to not be true in the UK, but public libraries are
exempt.
> In the UK you pay nothing, unless you keep it beyond a t
On 0, Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 06 Nov 2002 17:52:33 -0600, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I don't see why a public library even in the UK couldn't lend non-free.
> >How would it differ from lending out a non-free book (i.e., the usual
> >kind)?
>
> Huh? Do you have to
On 06 Nov 2002 17:52:33 -0600, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I don't see why a public library even in the UK couldn't lend non-free.
>How would it differ from lending out a non-free book (i.e., the usual
>kind)?
Huh? Do you have to pay to get a book out of a library in the US then?
In t
On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 18:57, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 05:52:33PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> > Paul Johnson writes:
> > > Non-free would be too much legal effort for a library to go through.
> >
> > I don't see why a public library even in the UK couldn't lend non-free.
> > Ho
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Brian Nelson writes:
>> No package in Debian can have such a clause.
>
> Packages in non-free can, and those are what Paul referred to.
Non-free is *not* part of Debian.
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Brian Nelson writes:
> No package in Debian can have such a clause.
Packages in non-free can, and those are what Paul referred to.
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Paul Johnson writes:
> It wouldn't surprise me if some packages have some goofball
> redistribution clauses, like "May not charge for redistribution." Well,
> what happens when someone doesn't turn it back in on time? They get
> charged.
As they do if they do not return an "All Rights Reserved"
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 05:52:33PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
>> Paul Johnson writes:
>> > Non-free would be too much legal effort for a library to go through.
>>
>> I don't see why a public library even in the UK couldn't lend non-free.
>> How would it d
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 08:19:39AM -0600, Mailing List wrote:
> Why not see about getting this to the local schools?? Many have computer
> labs. I am sure in the U.S. At least with the over abundance of older PC's
> that this would be a great way to get people turned on to Debian.
Better yet, make
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 05:52:33PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Paul Johnson writes:
> > Non-free would be too much legal effort for a library to go through.
>
> I don't see why a public library even in the UK couldn't lend non-free.
> How would it differ from lending out a non-free book (i.e., the
Paul Johnson writes:
> Non-free would be too much legal effort for a library to go through.
I don't see why a public library even in the UK couldn't lend non-free.
How would it differ from lending out a non-free book (i.e., the usual
kind)?
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On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 01:13:41PM +0100, James Finch wrote:
> could uk librarys lend debian? make things difficult for microsoft
Yes, they can (Main and Contrib at least). The GPL allows for
infinite redistribution. Non-free would be too much legal effort for
a library to go through.
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Colin Watson writes:
> The UK Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 covers lending to the
> public.
I stand corrected. That's a pretty horrible looking pile of law.
It does appear that public libraries are exempt, though.
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On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 10:21:55AM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Colin Watson writes:
> > I thought lending was just a specialized form of distribution.
>
> Lending is not distribution at all. If I loan you a book and you read it
> and give it back copyright has not been impinged upon. That's why
Colin Watson writes:
> I thought lending was just a specialized form of distribution.
Lending is not distribution at all. If I loan you a book and you read it
and give it back copyright has not been impinged upon. That's why public
libraries can exist.
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On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 09:00, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach James Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.06.0713 -0500]:
> > could uk librarys lend debian? make things difficult for microsoft
>
> For all I know, UK Libraries could make copies of Debian for their
> users. Lending them out should
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 08:19:39AM -0600, Mailing List wrote:
> > They could just give it away: i.e. have a machine with a CD burner and
> > let people turn up with blanks and make copies. Failing that, there'd be
> > no problem as long as they offered source code too.
> >
> > I wonder who we'd ha
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 08:16:52AM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Colin Watson writes:
> > Failing that, there'd be no problem as long as they offered source code
> > too.
>
> They don't have to offer source if they are lending it (though it would be
> better that they did).
I thought lending was ju
On 11/6/02 7:55 AM, "Colin Watson" wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 01:13:41PM +0100, James Finch wrote:
>> could uk librarys lend debian? make things difficult for microsoft
>
> They could just give it away: i.e. have a machine with a CD burner and
> let people turn up with blanks and make copie
Colin Watson writes:
> Failing that, there'd be no problem as long as they offered source code
> too.
They don't have to offer source if they are lending it (though it would be
better that they did).
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also sprach James Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.06.0713 -0500]:
> could uk librarys lend debian? make things difficult for microsoft
For all I know, UK Libraries could make copies of Debian for their
users. Lending them out should definitely not be a problem! Make sure
to have a big number of
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 01:13:41PM +0100, James Finch wrote:
> could uk librarys lend debian? make things difficult for microsoft
They could just give it away: i.e. have a machine with a CD burner and
let people turn up with blanks and make copies. Failing that, there'd be
no problem as long as th
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