Re: need info on video extraction with mencoder

2018-01-02 Thread deloptes
Long Wind wrote: > Thank deloptes!but where is avidemux?i can't find it in main of stretch I think it is in the debian multimedia repo http://www.deb-multimedia.org deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org stretch main non-free # apt-cache search avidemux avidemux - Free video editor avidemux-qt - Fre

Re: need info on video extraction with mencoder

2018-01-02 Thread deloptes
Long Wind wrote: > they say you can't cut into a frameis there some solution to this problem? > Thanks! try avidemux - it works with frames or other video editing software regards

need info on video extraction with mencoder

2018-01-02 Thread Long Wind
i use mencoder to record tv programsoften i need to remove ad from a video filei use -ss and -endpos switch to select part of a video filebut it doesn't work perfectlyi specify the options in seconds but sometime it may include more video than i needif i shorten time, it may omit some video that

need info

2013-04-27 Thread mary
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Re: need info on mobile phone support

2009-04-07 Thread A. F. Cano
On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 08:43:35PM +0800, Long Wind wrote: > I have Win2k and etch > I hope I can get etch to work with help from the list. > After installing microSD card, is my phone a USB storage device? > Can etch access the card? That depends on how the carrier has messed with the programming

Re: need info on mobile phone support

2009-04-06 Thread Emanoil Kotsev
Ivan T. Ivanov wrote: > > Hi, > > > On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 17:00 -0400, Long Wind wrote: >> Thanks to all! >> >> I will buy a USB cable and install Wammu and kmobiletools on etch to >> see if it works. Then I will buy a microSD card. >> >> It's too bad that nokia, the biggest mobile phone make

(solved)Re: need info on mobile phone support

2009-04-06 Thread Long Wind
I bought a USB cable In Win2k the built-in memory of nokia phone can't be used as USB storage. Then I go to etch and install Wammu and kmobiletools. Both don't work and print kernel messages (error) though Wammu detect my phone model. Maybe I shall upgrade to lenny. Then I bought microSD card. Thi

Re: need info on mobile phone support

2009-04-06 Thread JosipBros
Dne nedelja 05 april 2009 ob 12:57:50 je Long Wind napisal(a): > I just bought a Nokia 3110c: > > http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-3110-classic/technical- >specifications > > Nokia's PC Suite support only XP/Vista, not Win2k I use. > > Is it possible that I save the pictures I ca

Re: need info on mobile phone support

2009-04-06 Thread Ivan T. Ivanov
Hi, On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 17:00 -0400, Long Wind wrote: > Thanks to all! > > I will buy a USB cable and install Wammu and kmobiletools on etch to > see if it works. Then I will buy a microSD card. > > It's too bad that nokia, the biggest mobile phone maker, does not support > Linux. > Nok

Re: need info on mobile phone support

2009-04-05 Thread Long Wind
Thanks to all! I will buy a USB cable and install Wammu and kmobiletools on etch to see if it works. Then I will buy a microSD card. It's too bad that nokia, the biggest mobile phone maker, does not support Linux. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Peter van der Wal wrote: > Op zondag 05-04-2009 o

Re: need info on mobile phone support

2009-04-05 Thread Ivan T. Ivanov
Hi, On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 18:57 +0800, Long Wind wrote: > I just bought a Nokia 3110c: > > http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-3110-classic/technical-specifications > > Nokia's PC Suite support only XP/Vista, not Win2k I use. > > Is it possible that I save the pictures I captur

Re: need info on mobile phone support

2009-04-05 Thread Umarzuki Mochlis
2009/4/5 Long Wind > I have Win2k and etch > I hope I can get etch to work with help from the list. > After installing microSD card, is my phone a USB storage device? I suppose it is > > Can etch access the card? If it is detected as a storage device, then you can. > > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009

Re: need info on mobile phone support

2009-04-05 Thread Peter van der Wal
Op zondag 05-04-2009 om 20:43 uur [tijdzone +0800], schreef Long Wind: > I have Win2k and etch > I hope I can get etch to work with help from the list. > After installing microSD card, is my phone a USB storage device? > Can etch access the card? > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Umarzuki Mochli

Re: need info on mobile phone support

2009-04-05 Thread Long Wind
I have Win2k and etch I hope I can get etch to work with help from the list. After installing microSD card, is my phone a USB storage device? Can etch access the card? On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: > > > 2009/4/5 Long Wind >> >> I just bought a Nokia 3110c: >> >> >> htt

Re: need info on mobile phone support

2009-04-05 Thread Umarzuki Mochlis
2009/4/5 Long Wind > I just bought a Nokia 3110c: > > > http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-3110-classic/technical-specifications > > Nokia's PC Suite support only XP/Vista, not Win2k I use. > > Is it possible that I save the pictures I capture to a micro SD card? > Then I use etc

need info on mobile phone support

2009-04-05 Thread Long Wind
I just bought a Nokia 3110c: http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-3110-classic/technical-specifications Nokia's PC Suite support only XP/Vista, not Win2k I use. Is it possible that I save the pictures I capture to a micro SD card? Then I use etch thru a USB cable to get the pictur

Re: Gateway P-7805u Any success - install & using debian on this laptop? Bios upgrade? still need info

2009-03-20 Thread Mark Goldshtein
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:43 PM, tech lists wrote: > Before spending over $1000 on this laptop I'm just trying to confirm > that linux (hopefully debian) works with it. [...] Last Windows I've used > was 3.11/95sr2/98SE.  I'm finished with Windows. > Just trying to protect my money for an expens

Re: Gateway P-7805u Any success - install & using debian on this laptop? Bios upgrade? still need info

2009-03-20 Thread tech lists
On 3/20/09, Daryl Styrk wrote: > tech lists wrote: >> Has anyone successfully installed & used Debian on either this >> (P-7805u) or the simiilar 7811 Gateway laptops? I'm having trouble >> finding any success stories on Google ( or this mailing list, or the >> debian-laptop mailing list, or linu

Re: need info on audio recording performance testing

2008-02-12 Thread David Brodbeck
On Feb 11, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Serena Cantor wrote: I use producer from real.com which use real media format. Sometimes producer warns :"Channel 0 clips moderately". What does that mean? It probably means your recording level is a little too high. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: need info on audio recording performance testing

2008-02-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Original Message: - From: Serena Cantor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:36:28 -0800 (PST) To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: need info on audio recording performance testing I have a TV card. I use a audio cable from TV audio out to sound card line-in. I

need info on audio recording performance testing

2008-02-11 Thread Serena Cantor
I have a TV card. I use a audio cable from TV audio out to sound card line-in. I often recording TV, so I want to find out sound card performance during TV recording. Which program can test it? I have 2 sound cards: one is ISA SB16 (which use sb module), the other is PCI Cirrus Logic Crystal CS428

Need Info About Debian Versions: [Was:: Some Info]

2004-04-14 Thread Kent West
Umar Draz wrote: hi dear members i am new in Debian. and use woody. and alos new in debian-user list. i have seen lot of mails and i see about unstalbe, sid, plz tell what is (unstable, sid) is it is SID a version of debian. and what is the mean of unstalbe , stable is it unstable is

Re: I need info please

2001-06-01 Thread csj
On Friday 01 June 2001 07:39, ktb wrote: > Learning Linux is not an easy thing. It takes time (years) and > lots of patients. Linux - the operating system that sends you to the infirmary ;-)

Re: I need info please

2001-06-01 Thread David Nusinow
On Thursday 31 May 2001 03:36 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi. I am very excited about beign able to use a linux OS. I looked on > the debian site, but all the places where I could get information and > downloads were either too technical to understand, or blended too well with > my screen.

Re: I need info please

2001-05-31 Thread ktb
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 06:36:57PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi. I am very excited about beign able to use a linux OS. I looked on > the debian site, but all the places where I could get information and > downloads were either too technical to understand, or blended too well with >

I need info please

2001-05-31 Thread AlexHiggs
Hi. I am very excited about beign able to use a linux OS. I looked on the debian site, but all the places where I could get information and downloads were either too technical to understand, or blended too well with my screen. I don't evcen know exactly what kind of computer I have. All I

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-09-14 Thread Steve Lamb
On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 06:29:01PM -0500, w trillich wrote: > "apropos"? okay, i'll try that... man -k is easier to type. :P > CONCLUSION: > there are #NO# pointers from a standard cd-install of slink, Of course not. Correct me if I'm wrong but apt didn't really come into its

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-23 Thread Joey Hess
Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Joey Hess wrote: > > http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-dpkg-0004/msg2.html > > Okay, but that issue assumes that a package leaves a bomb in its > prerm. There is no way to protect yourself from such trojan packages > anyway, wether you use rpm or

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-23 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Joey Hess wrote: > http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-dpkg-0004/msg2.html Okay, but that issue assumes that a package leaves a bomb in its prerm. There is no way to protect yourself from such trojan packages anyway, wether you use rpm or dpkg. Wichert. -- _

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-22 Thread Joey Hess
Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Can you tell me which problem that was? http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-dpkg-0004/msg2.html -- see shy jo

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-22 Thread Ron Rademaker
I never took the time to read all of this mail (had to do with the mail you send right afterwards to me only, I though it would go in the same direction), but I agree with the problem. I've already mailed the package maintainers of apt-get with a possible solution: point out to apt-get before dsele

Cleaning up the dpkg status file? [Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.]

2000-05-22 Thread Joachim Trinkwitz
Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 07:07:00PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > That is a result of the fact that rpm uses a binary database for its > > data, while dpkg uses a large number of text-files instead. The > > advantage of that is that it is robust (if a

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-22 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Joey Hess wrote: > When we were talking about this at the office, we did come up with one > situaton where the rpm ordering actually let you correct problems in > a previous package in a way dpkg's ordering did not. However, I figured > out a workaround we could use if we ever ran into t

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-22 Thread Lindsay Haisley
Thus spake w trillich on Sun, May 21, 2000 at 01:49:35PM CDT > > which is why it should not surprise any gurus on this list that > newbies upgrading from slink know nothing about APT or its magic. > they don't rtfm because they don't know about it. > > NEWBIES: check out 'apt-get'! it's better tha

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-22 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 07:46:47PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > i think dlocate really takes care of the problem nicely, for things > like status and file lists dlocate is quite fast. its unfortunate that > it was removed from potato for a *ONE LINE BUG* with a fix in the > bts... why oh why could

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-21 Thread Ethan Benson
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 11:22:47AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > > agreed, the plain text db is the right way to do it. > > OTOH, it would be nice if dpkg did what apt does and uses a binary db > "cache" to speed up operations...updating both binary and text versions > as changes are made. > > t

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-21 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 11:38:18AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 07:37:59PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > > > Apt uses a mixed approach: it uses the same textfiles as dpkg but > > > uses a binary cache to also get the advantages of a binary database. > > > > it does? where? >

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-21 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 07:37:39PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 07:07:00PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > Previously Keith G. Murphy wrote: > > > I must say, my subjective experience has been that rpm's are much > > > faster to install something. Of course, it's also fa

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-21 Thread Joey Hess
Wichert Akkerman wrote: > I wouldn't call it nonsensical, but the way dpkg does it is definitely > more robust. I need to take another close look at how rpm and dpkg > differ in this respect anyway, so if people are interested in the little > details I might be willing to write a little comparison

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-21 Thread w trillich
Steve Lamb wrote: > > On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 06:29:01PM -0500, w trillich wrote: > > there are #NO# pointers from a standard cd-install of slink, > > Of course not. Correct me if I'm wrong but apt didn't really come into > its own as the standard package tool until potato. you're probably righ

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-21 Thread Steve Lamb
On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 06:29:01PM -0500, w trillich wrote: > "apropos"? okay, i'll try that... man -k is easier to type. :P > CONCLUSION: > there are #NO# pointers from a standard cd-install of slink, Of course not. Correct me if I'm wrong but apt didn't really come into its

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-21 Thread Ron Rademaker
That's why I said to point to it during installation! Ron Rademaker On Sat, 20 May 2000, w trillich wrote: > seems like an uphill battle, eh? > > Ron Rademaker wrote: > > > > Try: pt-get install pine > > > > It'll give youenough information to get a bit further > > > > Ron Rademaker > >

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-21 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 07:37:59PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > > Apt uses a mixed approach: it uses the same textfiles as dpkg but > > uses a binary cache to also get the advantages of a binary database. > > it does? where? See /var/cache/apt/*.bin files. An example why is that good is the spe

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-20 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 07:07:00PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Keith G. Murphy wrote: > > I must say, my subjective experience has been that rpm's are much faster > > to install something. Of course, it's also faster to throw my clothes > > on the floor, rather than put them in the

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-20 Thread w trillich
seems like an uphill battle, eh? Ron Rademaker wrote: > > Try: pt-get install pine > > It'll give youenough information to get a bit further > > Ron Rademaker > > PS. Damn when is someone going to read apt-ge's FM!!, perhaps we'll just > have to put a few pages with apt-get info during ins

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-20 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Keith G. Murphy wrote: > I must say, my subjective experience has been that rpm's are much faster > to install something. Of course, it's also faster to throw my clothes > on the floor, rather than put them in the hamper... That is a result of the fact that rpm uses a binary database f

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-20 Thread Engelen
> >Because Univ of Washington doesn't allow modified tarballs to be > >distributed, and you have to modify the tarball's paths to be Debian > >compliant. > It's not too hard to find pine*.deb. Use Fast FTP Search. Pine _is_ semi-officially available as a (contrib/non-free) part of debian. The pa

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-19 Thread Ron Rademaker
Try: pt-get install pine It'll give youenough information to get a bit further Ron Rademaker PS. Damn when is someone going to read apt-ge's FM!!, perhaps we'll just have to put a few pages with apt-get info during install on the users screen, the amount of question that has to do with it ar

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-19 Thread Chris Wagner
It's not too hard to find pine*.deb. Use Fast FTP Search. At 09:54 AM 5/19/00 +0800, Sanjeev \"Ghane\" Gupta wrote: >Because Univ of Washington doesn't allow modified tarballs to be >distributed, and you have to modify the tarball's paths to be Debian >compliant. +---

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-19 Thread Keith G. Murphy
Michel Verdier wrote: > [cut] > Everybody knows that .deb are usually the last to be released to increase > stability for .deb packages. When security is an issue .rpm and .deb are > both tested and it would be great to have statistics to know which is the > quicker to be installed and used. > I

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-19 Thread Ethan Benson
On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 02:52:16AM -0400, Will Lowe wrote: > > So, it is not so much that Debian doesn't have permission to distribute > > a modified binary package, it is that doing so would open up a whole > > can'o'worms w.r.t. redistribution... so why go there and possibly cause > > problems fo

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-19 Thread Will Lowe
> So, it is not so much that Debian doesn't have permission to distribute > a modified binary package, it is that doing so would open up a whole > can'o'worms w.r.t. redistribution... so why go there and possibly cause > problems for Debian's distributors, eh. That's exactly why it doesn't pass th

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-19 Thread Bruce Sass
I went through this with Terry Gray (Pine Development Team) and Santiago Vila (Debian maintainer of the Pine source) about the time Pine 4.20 was coming out... On Thu, 18 May 2000, Will Lowe wrote: > > Can I ask why debian doesn't include pine? Just curious. I know Debian > > The license for pi

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Craig" == Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> For example, I have 20 machines at a co location I need to go install. >> Right now with Red Hat I can take my laptop, slap a floppy in each >> machine, turn 'em on, 5 minutes later I have 20 fully configured >> machines

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 09:29:03PM -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > Can I ask why debian doesn't include pine? Just curious. because it's a violation of pine's license to distribute modified binaries. pine is non-free. debian distributes a pine-src package (in non-free) which contains the pine sou

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Tril
[Trimmed extraneous debian-isp and debian-dpkg cc:'s, hope that's enough] On Thu, 18 May 2000, Chris Wagner wrote: > At 09:55 PM 5/17/00 -0700, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > > copy everything from the master drive to the copy, then run the > > appropriate Lilo command to make that copy bootable. You

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Sanjeev \"Ghane\" Gupta
- Original Message - From: Jeremy Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Stephen A. Witt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Debian User ; ; Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info. > > Can I ask why debian doesn

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Will Lowe
> Can I ask why debian doesn't include pine? Just curious. I know Debian The license for pine doesn't allow you to redistribute "modified binaries" (e.g., fix a bug in the source, compile it, and redistribute the executable you get from this). Therefore, it can't be included as part of Debian

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Jeremy Hansen
Well it's funny you brought that up because I was considering just making one huge rpm of debian and then using kickstart. Kickstart is a part of Red Hat's install, Anaconda, not really an rpm but I get your point. -jeremy > If kickstart is a red hat package, you can install it on debian using

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Jeremy Hansen
Can I ask why debian doesn't include pine? Just curious. I know Debian has a very strict rule base on the packages it includes but every distro I have even installed always included pine and I was just wondering the reason behind not doing that with Debian. -jeremy > On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 01

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Jeremy Hansen
Hmm, I don't agree here. Kickstart is a way of automating the tasks already involved with a manual install. It does what it's supposed to do quite well and actually with the flexibility available, I rarely encounter a situation that requires more "custom" things. Hacks can be included in kickst

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Chris Wagner
If kickstart is a red hat package, you can install it on debian using alien. Then you can use red hat's kickstart to install debian. :) At 01:55 PM 5/18/00 -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: >Most of the answers I've been getting on this subject seem like total >hacks, which may work but really are trick

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Pedro Guerreiro
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 05:54:54PM -0400, Mike Bilow wrote: > Are you aware of this? > > http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ Another tool to do this is Replicator. Sorry, but I don't a link nearby. Search for it in google. > On 2000-05-18 at 13:55 -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > > > It

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Chris Wagner
At 09:55 PM 5/17/00 -0700, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > copy everything from the master drive to the copy, then run the > appropriate Lilo command to make that copy bootable. You can then > mount it in another machine and it's ready to go. You have to filter > some things out when you copy. See bel

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 01:24:26PM -0700, Stephen A. Witt wrote: > A lot of what makes Debian cool is appreciated only after some time > with it. also, a lot of what debian does is only appreciated after you've had the misfortune of working with some other distros for a while...then you really ap

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread David S. Bateman
Ethan Benson wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 10:42:17AM +0200, Andreas Rabus wrote: I've only been using Linux since Feb. , so at the local LUG I usually just listen to the discussions and take in as much as I can. The people there (LUG) are about 80% RedHat users with the rest divided btw SuSe

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 01:55:37PM -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > Most of the answers I've been getting on this subject seem like > total hacks, which may work but really are tricks to doing this. I > was really looking for something within debian that's built to do > "kickstart" type installations

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Mike Bilow
Agreed that this seems technically sound, but it would be really nice to have this Real Soon Now. I think it might be reasonably possible to backport this from Woody into Potato fairly soon after the release of Potato. The fact is that an automatic installation system will be really hard to test

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Adam Di Carlo
I would agree most of the proposed solutions are quick hacks. The fact is, we won't be natively supporting bulk installation until Woody. And even that is in question. As I understand it, the proposed Woody install system is debconf based; moreover, debconf can have different backends for rece

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Mike Bilow
Are you aware of this? http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ -- Mike On 2000-05-18 at 13:55 -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > It seems a lot of Debian users are developers and in this case I'm sure > Debian is perfect, but Red Hat's kickstart allows me to see my wife at > night (not real

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Stephen A. Witt
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Chip Salzenberg wrote: > > Actually, from what I've been told, rpm has at least one serious > > technical flaw: The order of execution for pre-install and > > post-install scripts is nonsensical for upgrades. > > I wouldn't call it nonsens

Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Jeremy Hansen
Most of the answers I've been getting on this subject seem like total hacks, which may work but really are tricks to doing this. I was really looking for something within debian that's built to do "kickstart" type installations. Although what you suggest may work, it leave little flexibility bet

Re: Re[2]: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Steve Lamb wrote: > Purely anecdotal, but Earthlink uses dpkg and deb as their internal format > for binary distribution for servers. Not much in the way of Debian machines, > just the packaging format. :) Apple's DarwinOS also uses the dpkg tools. (So maybe Apple OS X

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 02:16:08PM +0200, Michel Verdier wrote: > | deb packages are a lot harder to create for the novice users. There is > | not much documentation to help in this area either. > > There is perhaps not much documentation but : > # ls /usr/man/man1/dh*|wc -l > 30 You people

Re[2]: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Steve Lamb
Thursday, May 18, 2000, 5:16:08 AM, Michel wrote: > .deb is already a standard package system in the industry. And again it > would be nice to have statistics to confirm this purely subjective > statement :) Purely anecdotal, but Earthlink uses dpkg and deb as their internal format for binary

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Michel Verdier
Steve Morocho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : | I agree, rpm is not a piece of crap. deb packages are a lot harder to | create for the novice users. There is not much documentation to help in | this area either. Also, when updates are released .debs are usually the | last to be released (because

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Chip Salzenberg wrote: > Actually, from what I've been told, rpm has at least one serious > technical flaw: The order of execution for pre-install and > post-install scripts is nonsensical for upgrades. I wouldn't call it nonsensical, but the way dpkg does it is definitely more robust.

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Ethan Benson
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 11:19:31AM +0200, Andreas Rabus wrote: > > The "monkeys" ar not very polite, but ... :) considering the quality of most .rpms i found in places like /contrib i don't think that is at all unfair. ;-) `monkeys' is about as polically correct as your going to get from me,

RE: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Andreas Rabus
The "monkeys" ar not very polite, but ... :) My experience is not that bad, but some of the rpm i installed were a real mess, too. But i liked to see some companies to release there software in various flavours of package formats. ar PS: you never learn NT. If you learnd on Version, yo

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Ethan Benson
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 10:42:17AM +0200, Andreas Rabus wrote: > - Hard to build. There is a large doc about this task , but it still > takes a long time to learn. so does system administration for *nix. as it should be, learning takes time and is something no one should ever shy away from

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Andreas Rabus
Hi.. I worked on debian (first private than at work) and redhat (and SuSe, only for money :), and my personal opinion ist, that debian Packages are much more smoother to handle than rpm's. As long as you don't build your own Packages. Mostly i can use make-kpkg. :) to make my kernel-images. I cre

Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-18 Thread Bulent Murtezaoglu
[...] KMH> The best way to do that that I've found so far is to set up KMH> a box with two removable hard drive racks, install and KMH> _configure_ everything on one drive, then use `cfdisk', KMH> `mkswap', and `mke2fs' to partition and format the second KMH> drive. [...] I

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Steve" == Steve Morocho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> I agree, rpm is not a piece of crap. deb packages are a Steve> lot harder to create for the novice users. There is not Steve> much documentation to help in this area either. Also, when Steve> updates are released

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-18 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Chris" == Chris Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> For mass installs, just make a standard issue CD, boot from that CD, and Chris> copy over the OS. Or you could even make a disk image and dd it onto the Chris> hard drive. That assumes you have the same hard drive in

Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)

2000-05-17 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Jeremy" == Jeremy Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jeremy> Autoinstall (Red Hat's kickstart) Jeremy> This is also something fairly important. We need this as we do a Jeremy> lot of mass installs. The best way to do that that I've found so far is to set up a box wi

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread Chip Salzenberg
According to Sanjeev Ghane Gupta: > I have used dpkg, and been forced to use rpm, and rpm is just as > good, more or less. Actually, from what I've been told, rpm has at least one serious technical flaw: The order of execution for pre-install and post-install scripts is nonsensical for upgrades.

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread Sanjeev \"Ghane\" Gupta
Folks, I have used dpkg, and been forced to use rpm, and rpm is just as good, more or less. The problem is that there is nothing equivalent to dselect or apt in RedHat. I rarely call dpkg directly, unless libc6 is stuck again ;-), but the nearest that RedHat has to a mid-level tool is GnoRPM, whi

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread Chris Wagner
Sorry, but I was so underwhelmed by rpm's capabilities and my reaction was so one sidedly negative that I can't describe it any other way. It is what I typed. At 02:55 PM 5/17/00 +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >Previously Chris Wagner wrote: >> RPM is a piece of crap compared to dpkg, and now we

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread Chris Wagner
I have to disagree there. I've found Debian packs to be extremely up to date, atleast on the security end. And even on routine maintanance, the lag is not that bad. At 08:44 PM 5/16/00 -0700, David Lynn wrote: >I agree - dpkg and apt are great compared to rpm's. However, that's all >assuming th

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread Steve Morocho
I agree, rpm is not a piece of crap. deb packages are a lot harder to create for the novice users. There is not much documentation to help in this area either. Also, when updates are released .debs are usually the last to be released (because someone usually has to hack an .rpm or something s

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:35:20AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > that would make a nice .sig if it weren't so long ;-) What? It is under 4 lines long. ;) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the s

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 06:17:14AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:55:33PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > Can we please not be so negative about rpm? I'll agree that dpkg is > > better (and of course I'm completely not biased here :), but rpm > > is not a piece of crap. >

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:55:33PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Can we please not be so negative about rpm? I'll agree that dpkg is > better (and of course I'm completely not biased here :), but rpm > is not a piece of crap. OK, in the light of trying to say something positive about rpm mi

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 08:44:15AM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: > > I don't find this to be true. If you need the latest bleeding edge > > program, go with the unstable tree which has historically proven to be more > > stable than Red Hat Releases. > (or python-wxwin in Debian language) and whi

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Chris Wagner wrote: > RPM is a piece of crap compared to dpkg, and now we have apt (advanced > package tool). Can we please not be so negative about rpm? I'll agree that dpkg is better (and of course I'm completely not biased here :), but rpm is not a piece of crap. Wichert. -- ___

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread tps
On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:28:54PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 10:43:20PM -0400, Chris Wagner wrote: > > At 07:29 PM 5/16/00 -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > > >Autoinstall (Red Hat's kickstart) > > > This is also something fairly important. We need this as we do a > > > lot

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread Michel Verdier
Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : | On Wed, 17 May 2000, Matthew Dalton wrote: | > I beleive it is possible to install a Debian system, configure/customise | > it, and then repackage the deb packages using the customised files on | > the system instead of the original default ones, using so

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread Johann Spies
On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 11:24:50PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 08:44:38PM -0700, David Lynn wrote: > > I agree - dpkg and apt are great compared to rpm's. However, that's all > > assuming that there are debian packages out there that are up to date > > (which they're general

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread Craig Sanders
On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 08:44:18PM -0700, David Lynn wrote: > I agree - dpkg and apt are great compared to rpm's. However, that's > all assuming that there are debian packages out there that are up to > date (which they're generally not). But this seems to be the only > major drawback I've found

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

2000-05-17 Thread Craig Sanders
On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 10:43:20PM -0400, Chris Wagner wrote: > At 07:29 PM 5/16/00 -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > >Autoinstall (Red Hat's kickstart) > > This is also something fairly important. We need this as we do a > > lot of mass installs. > > For mass installs, just make a standard issue CD,

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